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Post by neddy on Aug 27, 2020 17:59:24 GMT
No difference to the Cartwright process?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2020 18:20:03 GMT
No difference to the Cartwright process? Totally different. No mention of watching players 25 times for a start. And no pizzas mentioned either!
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2020 18:46:25 GMT
First line states Michael O'Neill brought Aldridge in. Is that correct?
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 27, 2020 19:47:43 GMT
First line states Michael O'Neill brought Aldridge in. Is that correct? Maybe they should load the data column named pace because we’ve been desperate to inject some for years now!
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 27, 2020 19:56:02 GMT
Will be a good test for him in the remainder of the window, if he plays any part in getting rid of the deadwood in the squad.
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2020 20:08:24 GMT
Will be a good test for him in the remainder of the window, if he plays any part in getting rid of the deadwood in the squad. That's not so much a test as a sales challenge from room 101
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 27, 2020 20:18:52 GMT
Who recruited the Head of Recruitment? The Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 27, 2020 20:36:36 GMT
Who recruited the Head of Recruitment? The Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment Yes and no. He/she did the leg work (and indeed the head work) but a final decision couldn't be made without the agreement of Head of Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment Recruitment.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 27, 2020 20:48:29 GMT
The Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment Yes and no. He/she did the leg work (and indeed the head work) but a final decision couldn't be made without the agreement of Head of Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment Recruitment. You're just being ridiculous now.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 27, 2020 20:58:07 GMT
Yes and no. He/she did the leg work (and indeed the head work) but a final decision couldn't be made without the agreement of Head of Head of Head of Recruitment Recruitment Recruitment. You're just being ridiculous now. Curiously, "Being Ridiculous" has been the sole criterion for the Head of Recruitment post at SCFC for the last 5 or so years.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2020 21:16:42 GMT
First line states Michael O'Neill brought Aldridge in. Is that correct? You'd think he'd get quite a big say in it given he's the one having to work with him to get the right people in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 27, 2020 21:20:25 GMT
What another load of old flannel. Nice to see that even if the Sentinel is cutting back, Pete Smith has been able to take up Spinksy's part time role at Pravda as well!
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 28, 2020 15:11:55 GMT
i think people who have been involved in our transfer fuck ups should all be booted out the club ,ie Wimmer,Badou,woods,ince,vokes. all players put together now we would be lucky to get 6million for them all put together. disgracefull scouting
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 28, 2020 19:01:49 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 28, 2020 19:15:24 GMT
And The main priority at the moment with transfers is to move people on who have no future at the club But that bit is not in "quotes" so is that just an assumption on their part?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2020 19:54:12 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2020 9:00:38 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo. In an ideal world maybe, Bayern. But everything is short-term in football, isn't it? As much as we'd like otherwise. If MON is 100% comfortable with him, and working hand-in-glove with him, that's got to be a good thing. The board are clearly giving MON his head if they've let him make the call - but theoretically if Aldridge is good at the nuts and bolts of the job, he should be able to do the same job for any future manager
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 29, 2020 9:31:12 GMT
It's catch 22 really, if the board appoint somebody above the head of the manager and relationship isn't workable then that's also an issue. I hope Aldridge and O'Neill form a successful working relationship.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 10:58:46 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo. In an ideal world maybe, Bayern. But everything is short-term in football, isn't it? As much as we'd like otherwise. If MON is 100% comfortable with him, and working hand-in-glove with him, that's got to be a good thing. The board are clearly giving MON his head if they've let him make the call - but theoretically if Aldridge is good at the nuts and bolts of the job, he should be able to do the same job for any future manager It’s not though is it? Most clubs would make this appointment as something above the manager. We’ve just gone about in the wrong way. We are hoping that another manager works, which isn’t sustainable. When MON leaves there’s no plan for succession, just trial and error again. And also any new man may come in and see him as part of the old regime and want him gone. It’s why their needs to be separation imo. You need exec level football staff - so this sort of role and a technical director and an on the ground level -the manager. It’s a system that works around the world. What we have here is a pretty outdated system fhat will work for now because of the man in the job but past that who knows. It’s not good enough.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 29, 2020 11:01:31 GMT
There is definitely a veiled criticism of how our recruitment process was working before in there.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 29, 2020 11:07:18 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo. Perhaps not but they have both got to be reading from the same book. Wasn't Cartwright one of the reasons why Pulis left cos he couldn't work with him/didn't want him above him? O'Neill had to be given a say or else he too may have walked. It doesn't automatically mean that when the manager leaves the head of recruitment follows. If he's done a good job the next manager would have to accept him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 11:12:32 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo. Perhaps not but they have both got to be reading from the same book. Wasn't Cartwright one of the reasons why Pulis left cos he couldn't work with him/didn't want him above him? O'Neill had to be given a say or else he too may have walked. It doesn't automatically mean that when the manager leaves the head of recruitment follows. If he's done a good job the next manager would have to accept him. He was but that’s why we needed to do this before we got a manager. You already have the tie with the previous (When MON leaves) manager now and that can’t be good.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 29, 2020 12:03:01 GMT
A couple of misconceptions.
1. He’s not above the manager. He reports to him. He’s essentially lead scout. Not a director of football
2. That a director of football model is superior.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 12:15:51 GMT
A couple of misconceptions. 1. He’s not above the manager. He reports to him. He’s essentially lead scout. Not a director of football 2. That a director of football model is superior. No misconceptions. I’m saying it’s what it should be. And most clubs use one now or have transfer teams that dictate who clubs sign.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2020 12:20:38 GMT
A couple of misconceptions. 1. He’s not above the manager. He reports to him. He’s essentially lead scout. Not a director of football 2. That a director of football model is superior. No misconceptions. I’m saying it’s what it should be. And most clubs use one now or have transfer teams that dictate who clubs sign. I agree with you but i'm more comfortable MON recruiting him than Scholes and Coates Jr. Desperate times and all that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 12:47:23 GMT
No misconceptions. I’m saying it’s what it should be. And most clubs use one now or have transfer teams that dictate who clubs sign. I agree with you but i'm more comfortable MON recruiting him than Scholes and Coates Jr. Desperate times and all that. Which is very fair. But I just think it’s a bad way of doing it. My ire here isn’t at the new bloke or MON. They’re doing what they’ve been told. It’s at those 2 you name for doing it so badly and on the fly.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 29, 2020 13:55:06 GMT
Really shouldn’t be an appointment add by the manager imo. Perhaps not but they have both got to be reading from the same book. Wasn't Cartwright one of the reasons why Pulis left cos he couldn't work with him/didn't want him above him? O'Neill had to be given a say or else he too may have walked. It doesn't automatically mean that when the manager leaves the head of recruitment follows. If he's done a good job the next manager would have to accept him. Not quiet. The relationship between Pulis & scholes has broken down. Peter Coates could only see the option of bringing in an inbetween person to relieve the situation. The director of football role is a system of recruitment that Pulis wasn’t happy with but was willing to work with one as long as he had the choice of who was employed. Pulis picked Mark Cartwright as he had had dealing with Mark while he was at Beswicks as Pulis’s son was on their books
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 29, 2020 13:59:45 GMT
Perhaps not but they have both got to be reading from the same book. Wasn't Cartwright one of the reasons why Pulis left cos he couldn't work with him/didn't want him above him? O'Neill had to be given a say or else he too may have walked. It doesn't automatically mean that when the manager leaves the head of recruitment follows. If he's done a good job the next manager would have to accept him. Not quiet. The relationship between Pulis & scholes has broken down. Peter Coates could only see the option of bringing in an inbetween person to relieve the situation. The director of football role is a system of recruitment that Pulis wasn’t happy with but was willing to work with one as long as he had the choice of who was employed. Pulis picked Mark Cartwright as he had had dealing with Mark while he was at Beswicks as Pulis’s son was on their books Hadn't heard that one. I thought he was upset at having a director of football.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 29, 2020 14:00:46 GMT
Not quiet. The relationship between Pulis & scholes has broken down. Peter Coates could only see the option of bringing in an inbetween person to relieve the situation. The director of football role is a system of recruitment that Pulis wasn’t happy with but was willing to work with one as long as he had the choice of who was employed. Pulis picked Mark Cartwright as he had had dealing with Mark while he was at Beswicks as Pulis’s son was on their books Hadn't heard that one. I thought he was upset at having a director of football. He was he didn’t want one, but Peter told him if he couldn’t have a proper working relationship with Scholes then one is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 8:29:25 GMT
I've noticed we're advertising for Video Scouts, Recruitment Data Scientists and Recruitment Data Analysts, the new fella getting his team together it seems.......
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