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Post by zerps on Aug 15, 2020 20:33:23 GMT
Pointless without fans...
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Post by gawa on Oct 31, 2020 21:42:20 GMT
3 points of second and out of the playoffs by goal difference; having only played 1 team in the bottom 8 thus far.
Also one of 2 football league teams left remaining in the league cup having knocked out 2 of the current top 5 teams in the PL table.
However reading these forums there appears to be a resounding disappointment on the season thus far. Is it fair to see that the seasons expectations have now changed to automatic promotion?
Seem to be a fair few posts from critics on here regarding the defence and our centre halfs being awful. However the same posters are the ones insisting we should be playing less players at the back.
What a bipolar fan base we have.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 31, 2020 23:55:00 GMT
It’s a crap standard of football across the entire league to be honest .The three teams that came down managed about 20 wins between them in the Premier League but are in the top 6, and a team like Reading are currently top. All teams are pretty mediocre, we shift from looking quite exciting (Brentford) to looking like a Div 2 team ( Swansea). Seriously, I only expect the team to compete in every game- the Swansea performance had better be a genuine one off, and then I’m not that bothered- there’s nothing to fear in the league, but any side that goes up stands a really good chance of coming straight back down. As a result of COVID, the priorities change and football just isn’t that thrilling anymore.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2020 0:06:57 GMT
The bottom half of the premiership is the same standard as the championship
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Post by potterburt on Nov 1, 2020 0:17:42 GMT
It’s a crap standard of football across the entire league to be honest .The three teams that came down managed about 20 wins between them in the Premier League but are in the top 6, and a team like Reading are currently top. All teams are pretty mediocre, we shift from looking quite exciting (Brentford) to looking like a Div 2 team ( Swansea). Seriously, I only expect the team to compete in every game- the Swansea performance had better be a genuine one off, and then I’m not that bothered- there’s nothing to fear in the league, but any side that goes up stands a really good chance of coming straight back down. As a result of COVID, the priorities change and football just isn’t that thrilling anymore. Well maybe supporting a team, your ‘local team’? Might not be for you, if you think champ footy is below par and everything is just a bit shot down ere, maybe you should jump ship and go support the Man City instead? I’ve got Nothing against that at all, just seems strange commenting on a forum of support for your club complaining and disinterested because they aren’t in a league that you’d like them to be in, well, sorry, that ain’t support. Most people’s nan aren’t that jiffy on their feet but would you ignore the fact they may need a bit of help and support in getting from the can to the restaurant?
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Post by Uncle cheese on Nov 1, 2020 0:22:00 GMT
The bottom half of the premiership is the same standard as the championship So currently your are comparing Rashford, Fernandes and martial to our front line
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2020 0:24:27 GMT
The bottom half of the premiership is the same standard as the championship So currently your are comparing Rashford, Fernandes and martial to our front line Give it a few weeks then have a look at your comment
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Post by miltonstokienew on Nov 1, 2020 0:26:48 GMT
The bottom half of the premiership is the same standard as the championship Dont talk shit.
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Post by potterburt on Nov 1, 2020 0:28:59 GMT
So currently your are comparing Rashford, Fernandes and martial to our front line Give it a few weeks then have a look at your comment Oooh so cryptic! So in a few weeks (after lockdown?) we’ll see the premier turned into a 10 team league and we’ll actually up against Rashford and co? And you have already for seen it all.....?
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Post by Orbs on Nov 1, 2020 0:39:40 GMT
The bottom half of the premiership is the same standard as the championship It’s like 2 different sports.
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Post by thehoof on Nov 1, 2020 0:49:37 GMT
It’s a crap standard of football across the entire league to be honest .The three teams that came down managed about 20 wins between them in the Premier League but are in the top 6, and a team like Reading are currently top. All teams are pretty mediocre, we shift from looking quite exciting (Brentford) to looking like a Div 2 team ( Swansea). Seriously, I only expect the team to compete in every game- the Swansea performance had better be a genuine one off, and then I’m not that bothered- there’s nothing to fear in the league, but any side that goes up stands a really good chance of coming straight back down. As a result of COVID, the priorities change and football just isn’t that thrilling anymore. Well maybe supporting a team, your ‘local team’? Might not be for you, if you think champ footy is below par and everything is just a bit shot down ere, maybe you should jump ship and go support the Man City instead? I’ve got Nothing against that at all, just seems strange commenting on a forum of support for your club complaining and disinterested because they aren’t in a league that you’d like them to be in, well, sorry, that ain’t support. Most people’s nan aren’t that jiffy on their feet but would you ignore the fact they may need a bit of help and support in getting from the can to the restaurant? What the f*** are you on about you tosser? I’ve had a season ticket for over 20 years and have followed them home and away for over 50 years- I really couldn’t give a shit what league they are in if they played with the passion that they did under Macari in our Div1 days, or even the lunacy of the Boskamp era, perhaps the silky brilliance of Waddington’s time or the up yours attitude of Pulis’s team. This side is mediocre- and I’ve got the right like any supporter to say what I think. You can go **** yourself.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2020 0:50:37 GMT
Give it a few weeks then have a look at your comment Oooh so cryptic! So in a few weeks (after lockdown?) we’ll see the premier turned into a 10 team league and we’ll actually up against Rashford and co? And you have already for seen it all.....? ???? In a few weeks the shit will be in the top half of the premiership,
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Post by Uncle cheese on Nov 1, 2020 1:01:47 GMT
So currently your are comparing Rashford, Fernandes and martial to our front line Give it a few weeks then have a look at your comment I’m taking this piss. The bottom half of the prem is clearly far better than the championship Newcastle/West Ham/Brighton/Leeds (5-0) will probably all finish bottom half and piss all over this league Your original comment was a dick head comment
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2020 1:06:16 GMT
Give it a few weeks then have a look at your comment I’m taking this piss. The bottom half of the prem is clearly far better than the championship Newcastle/West Ham/Brighton/Leeds (5-0) will probably all finish bottom half and piss all over this league Your original comment was a dick head comment They would do the same, it is a hard grind to get out of the championship and a bit of luck and good manager gets you out of the championship and keeps you in the premiership. You clown
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Post by gawa on Nov 1, 2020 1:06:27 GMT
It’s a crap standard of football across the entire league to be honest .The three teams that came down managed about 20 wins between them in the Premier League but are in the top 6, and a team like Reading are currently top. All teams are pretty mediocre, we shift from looking quite exciting (Brentford) to looking like a Div 2 team ( Swansea). Seriously, I only expect the team to compete in every game- the Swansea performance had better be a genuine one off, and then I’m not that bothered- there’s nothing to fear in the league, but any side that goes up stands a really good chance of coming straight back down. As a result of COVID, the priorities change and football just isn’t that thrilling anymore. Considering where the team placed last season and that in terms of net spend, 9 other clubs invested more (none of which are the newly relegated teams). Why all of a sudden do stoke expect to be better than these other mediocre sides that they placed lower than last season? In terms of the top 6, 3 are relegated sides as you said and the other 2 are amongst the top 3 in net spend in the league. The personnel in the squad is pretty much exactly the same as when this thread was created and many were expecting a top half finish challenging for the playoffs. In my opinion Michael has made a team which is difficult to beat on a shoestring budget and is exceeding many expectations and due to this he's become a victim of his own success and the expectations are now changing.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Nov 1, 2020 1:14:03 GMT
I’m taking this piss. The bottom half of the prem is clearly far better than the championship Newcastle/West Ham/Brighton/Leeds (5-0) will probably all finish bottom half and piss all over this league Your original comment was a dick head comment They would do the same, it is a hard grind to get out of the championship and a bit of luck and good manager gets you out of the championship and keeps you in the premiership. You clown That’s right young man. Still far better than this league Your original post was a dick head post
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 1, 2020 1:23:39 GMT
They would do the same, it is a hard grind to get out of the championship and a bit of luck and good manager gets you out of the championship and keeps you in the premiership. You clown That’s right young man. Still far better than this league Your original post was a dick head post Have a good look in the mirror and you will see a dickhead.
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Post by tachyon on Nov 1, 2020 8:48:11 GMT
Since MON took over, 3 then PL teams have now played 27 games in the Championship and 3, then Championship teams have played 18 games in the Prem. You can use these results to relatively rank & rate the 44 current PL & CH teams, as well as the 3 teams who dropped into L1. Brentford have performed to the 11th best team in England, Leeds are 8th, Stoke are 25th, Derby are 42nd out of the 47 teams ranked. The ratings difference (in xG differential) is more illuminating than just the ranking.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 1, 2020 9:19:48 GMT
Since MON took over, 3 then PL teams have now played 27 games in the Championship and 3, then Championship teams have played 18 games in the Prem. You can use these results to relatively rank & rate the 44 current PL & CH teams, as well as the 3 teams who dropped into L1. Brentford have performed to the 11th best team in England, Leeds are 8th, Stoke are 25th, Derby are 42nd out of the 47 teams ranked. The ratings difference (in xG differential) is more illuminating than just the ranking. View AttachmentWhat is the differential saying?
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Post by tachyon on Nov 1, 2020 9:39:15 GMT
Since MON took over, 3 then PL teams have now played 27 games in the Championship and 3, then Championship teams have played 18 games in the Prem. You can use these results to relatively rank & rate the 44 current PL & CH teams, as well as the 3 teams who dropped into L1. Brentford have performed to the 11th best team in England, Leeds are 8th, Stoke are 25th, Derby are 42nd out of the 47 teams ranked. The ratings difference (in xG differential) is more illuminating than just the ranking. View AttachmentWhat is the differential saying? It's saying Manchester City are 1.915 goals better than Stoke (1.689-(-0.226)). They'd beat us 92% of the time at the Etihad, we'd draw 7% & win 1 in a 100.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 1, 2020 9:44:24 GMT
The lesson to be learned from this is, if you want to break up a school yard squabble, get tachyon in on the action with some detailed analytics.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 1, 2020 10:03:51 GMT
What is the differential saying? It's saying Manchester City are 1.915 goals better than Stoke (1.689-(-0.226)). They'd beat us 92% of the time at the Etihad, we'd draw 7% & win 1 in a 100. Is it also suggesting we should have had a nominally slighter better chance of beating Swansea than they did against us if it was on a neutral ground?
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 1, 2020 10:19:29 GMT
There seems to be a fair bit of aggravation going around this board given we had a win yesterday. The rigours of an ongoing pandemic are clearly taking effect across society. Thank goodness for the emotion removing effects of tachyon's statistical analysis. Definitely a good way to get this thread back on track.
By the way my expectations for this season, for what they are worth, is one of the usual up and downs
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Post by tachyon on Nov 1, 2020 10:30:52 GMT
It's saying Manchester City are 1.915 goals better than Stoke (1.689-(-0.226)). They'd beat us 92% of the time at the Etihad, we'd draw 7% & win 1 in a 100. Is it also suggesting we should have had a nominally slighter better chance of beating Swansea than they did against us if it was on a neutral ground? We're at a pretty similar level, despite recency bias from last week. Implied probabilities for the midweek game from post MON ratings. Swans win 0.440460741 Draw 0.284522790 Stoke win 0.275016469 Implied probabilities from bookies prior to the game. Swans win 0.384403196 Draw 0.310767519 Stoke Win 0.304829286 The bookies currently have us further ahead of the Swans compared to an xG approach.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 1, 2020 10:33:49 GMT
Is it also suggesting we should have had a nominally slighter better chance of beating Swansea than they did against us if it was on a neutral ground? We're at a pretty similar level, despite recency bias from last week. Implied probabilities for the midweek game from post MON ratings. Swans win 0.440460741 Draw 0.284522790 Stoke win 0.275016469 Implied probabilities from bookies prior to the game. Swans win 0.384403196 Draw 0.310767519 Stoke Win 0.304829286 The bookies currently have us further ahead of the Swans compared to an xG approach. Hard to see why the bookies have us as having any chance of winning a midweek game given our longterm past record in them. I can only assume it's because they're managing the percentages to protect themselves due to the way people are betting on these matches.
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Post by potterburt on Nov 1, 2020 13:18:50 GMT
Well maybe supporting a team, your ‘local team’? Might not be for you, if you think champ footy is below par and everything is just a bit shot down ere, maybe you should jump ship and go support the Man City instead? I’ve got Nothing against that at all, just seems strange commenting on a forum of support for your club complaining and disinterested because they aren’t in a league that you’d like them to be in, well, sorry, that ain’t support. Most people’s nan aren’t that jiffy on their feet but would you ignore the fact they may need a bit of help and support in getting from the can to the restaurant? What the f*** are you on about you tosser? I’ve had a season ticket for over 20 years and have followed them home and away for over 50 years- I really couldn’t give a shit what league they are in if they played with the passion that they did under Macari in our Div1 days, or even the lunacy of the Boskamp era, perhaps the silky brilliance of Waddington’s time or the up yours attitude of Pulis’s team. This side is mediocre- and I’ve got the right like any supporter to say what I think. You can go **** yourself. Oh nice! Yeah I too have the right like any supporter to comment on your thoughts that you’ve stated in a public forum. I was merely suggesting that If you think everything bar the top ten of Prem is below standard then you may be better suited following and watching a standard of which you find acceptable. Do you attack everyone that makes a comment of which you don’t like? Must be exhausting.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 1, 2020 14:52:23 GMT
Can't argue with the 2020 form as a whole... But look at Sheff Weds. Monk has got to be up for the chop soon. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/jahrestabelle/wettbewerb/GB2/saison_id/202001 Brentford 30 55 02 Swansea 30 50 03 Stoke City 30 50 04 Reading 46 05 Millwall 30 46 06 Cardiff 30 46 07 Luton 30 43 08 Leeds 21 4209 Derby 30 40 10 Fulham 21 3911 Middlesbrough 30 39 12 Bristol City 30 39 13 Barnsley FC 30 38 14 Blackburn 30 37 15 Preston 30 37 16 QPR 30 36 17 Nottm Forest 31 36 18 Huddersfield 30 36 19 Birmingham 30 34 20 West Brom 21 3221 Wigan 21 2722 Sheff Wed 30 25 23 Charlton 21 20 24 Bournemouth 9 17 25 Norwich 9 17 26 Watford 9 15 27 Rotherham 9 9 28 Hull 21 9 29 Coventry 9 8 30 Wycombe 9 4
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Post by thehoof on Nov 1, 2020 20:07:49 GMT
What the f*** are you on about you tosser? I’ve had a season ticket for over 20 years and have followed them home and away for over 50 years- I really couldn’t give a shit what league they are in if they played with the passion that they did under Macari in our Div1 days, or even the lunacy of the Boskamp era, perhaps the silky brilliance of Waddington’s time or the up yours attitude of Pulis’s team. This side is mediocre- and I’ve got the right like any supporter to say what I think. You can go **** yourself. Oh nice! Yeah I too have the right like any supporter to comment on your thoughts that you’ve stated in a public forum. I was merely suggesting that If you think everything bar the top ten of Prem is below standard then you may be better suited following and watching a standard of which you find acceptable. Do you attack everyone that makes a comment of which you don’t like? Must be exhausting. No, I only attack people like you who can’t comprehend the written word. Find me exactly where I say that anything bar the top ten of the premier is below standard? I specifically said I didn’t care which League we were in so long as when we play, we compete. You decided that this warranted being told to go and watch Manchester City. Throw the stone, expect to get the response you did.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 2, 2020 9:42:57 GMT
I do think there is general improvement over time from MON.
We looked awful last season for the after-lockdown games before he sorted us out and had us scoring lots of goals.
This season with 3 at the back has been a struggle to score. Now he has been tweaking it by playing McLean at LWB to add more going forward.
In general apart from the odd abomination (Swansea, continually playing Chester when fit) you can see there is a method to the madness and we do improve over time.
So this season, with the correct squad rotation and lack of injuries I can only see us getting better. If we are top half at Christmas time there is a good chance we can push-on later for a Play-Off place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2020 9:59:47 GMT
Yeah the rotation is the key.
I still don't mind the side he put out against Swansea bar the 2 obvious things in Chester and Vokes.
The issues stemmed from them and the intent we went out with. We didn't go with the intent to play a game suited to that team. Which imo was keep ball. We launched it long to Vokes who just can't do the target man role.
With Campbell, Powell and Fletcher too you have a bit of X Factor and you take all of them out you lose that.
So the game plan has to change or you try and start one of them each game. Because on their own they can make the difference.
Chester shouldn't be used again.
Vokes should only be used if Gregory is injured.
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