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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 11, 2020 9:54:36 GMT
Strange as Ken Marsh seems to think the opposite and wants the full video released to the public and in his words is 'fed up' of these kinds of accusations. He has asked why she can put an edited film out for all to see but they can't release the real footage.He's obviously seen the incident unlike yourself . Well there lies the answer show the full unedited footage and allow the public to decide Are the police trying to hide something Is buttler trying to hide something Or is there nothing to hide Show the footage Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2020 9:54:55 GMT
I wonder if it's a British thing or does the opposition in, say, France loathe the Tricolour? I've seen quite a few non-white people on Twitter with the UJ on their profile. Which is nice to see but not too surprising if they're British. No one seemed to mind when Stormzy had one on his stab vest... Strange yes. You see Americans flying their flags outside their homes and being patriotic. Someone does it here and some pin head calls you racist. Not British myself but how on earth could a flag of your nation be racist? It's people with comments like that who are the issue I think you get it in most western countries it’s just more prevalent in the UK and increasingly in the US, George Orwell, even though a leftists himself, identified this strain of self hating leftists years ago and it still exists in left wing intellectual circles. Our education system has long been occupied territory of the marxists, it’s pretty much responsible for this self hatred on the left, they're perpetually stuck in the 6th form common room screaming “meh, thatcher” bizarrely they’d much rather us be more like Venezuela and all eating cat food for dinner instead of having the great choice of food in abundance that the free market allows us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:03:38 GMT
Well there lies the answer show the full unedited footage and allow the public to decide Are the police trying to hide something Is buttler trying to hide something Or is there nothing to hide Show the footage Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on. Obviously they want it to be seen and he himself has stated that as a result of this accusation he wants the law changing. She of course would be aware that the body cam footage can't go public. Why would she edit the video in the first place ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 11, 2020 10:09:12 GMT
The 'I'm not racist but....' mob don't like a mirror being held up to them do they?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 10:15:45 GMT
Well there lies the answer show the full unedited footage and allow the public to decide Are the police trying to hide something Is buttler trying to hide something Or is there nothing to hide Show the footage Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on. I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:20:44 GMT
Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on. I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. You keep bringing up the same quote despite no-one actually saying it You can't make a constructive point just repeating the same old nonsense I think we know why that is Ken Marsh has seen the incident and wants us all to see it. You obviously know better what happened
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 10:21:06 GMT
So what do we know so far... Black, female Labour MP is in a car which is pulled over by the Met Police. (I suspect the first three words of this sentence are the real source of the self-righteous indignation). MP alleges racist profiling for the stop. Met accepts MP's 'very balanced account of the incident'. Officer involved apologised at the time of the stop. Meanwhile, the usual Oatcake "I'm not racist, but..." pitchfork mob weighs in with wanting her to be "slapped and sent on her way", "tasered" and labelled an "awful race baiting bitch " (irony not included), before a predictable dog whistle deflection onto people who apparently hate the Union Jack when it appears the Met have accepted her version of events! It would appear that "I'm not a racist, but..." in some posters' eyes is satisfied by not openly calling people n*ggers. Just for clarity Any chance you could post a link where the met fully accept the MPs version of events and admits profiling by race I never said they had. You've straw-manned an argument for yourself again. In the BBC report "Chief Supt Roy Smith tweeted to say he had spoken to the MP who had "given me a very balanced account of the incident". The Met Police officer added the force "are listening" to concerns she had about the police stop and the officers involved, and she was "quite entitled to raise them". Until the bodycam footage emerges, if it does, we'll know no more than what both sides have so far said. Grounds in itself for not wanting someone tasered, slapped or referred to as a bitch, I'd have thought, but there goes that dog whistle again....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:22:13 GMT
Just for clarity Any chance you could post a link where the met fully accept the MPs version of events and admits profiling by race I never said they had. You've straw-manned an argument for yourself again. In the BBC report "Chief Supt Roy Smith tweeted to say he had spoken to the MP who had "given me a very balanced account of the incident". The Met Police officer added the force "are listening" to concerns she had about the police stop and the officers involved, and she was "quite entitled to raise them". Until the bodycam footage emerges, if it does, we'll know no more than what both sides have so far said. Grounds in itself for not wanting someone tasered, slapped or referred to as a bitch, I'd have thought, but there goes that dog whistle again.... 'I've not seen the incident but.....'
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 10:23:19 GMT
Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on. I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. Are you calling badger racist, mate?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 10:24:56 GMT
The 'I'm not racist but....' mob don't like a mirror being held up to them do they? Almost as much as 'The left can do no wrong' brigade 😎
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:26:48 GMT
"given me a very balanced account of the incident".
ie she gave her version of events
That is far from the nonsense you are claiming. Anyone is quite entitled to raise points with the police , right or wrong and they are obliged to listen.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 10:28:58 GMT
I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. You keep bringing up the same quote despite no-one actually saying it You can't make a constructive point just repeating the same old nonsense I think we know why that is Ken Marsh has seen the incident and wants us all to see it. You obviously know better what happened They don't really have to say it, it's pretty evident from every thread involving race relations. Nearly always the same posters weighing in on whichever side is attacking or lessening the validity of any claim or cause by anyone non-white. I'm sure there are enough on the first page of the EEB to allow you to assess who the regular contributors are on these types of thread. It's pretty consistent, and can be wrapped up in a general "I'm not racist, but..." approach. I'm sure it's just their opinion, which is fair enough, and they no doubt consider themselves completely non-racist in everything they do, but like I said, you don't have to go around openly calling people n*ggers or P*kis to have a racist approach to life in general. I can't remember the same bunch of posters getting anywhere near as vexed over say Charlie Elphicke MP (a convicted sex offender). I wonder why that doesn't enrage them quite as much as a black, female, Labour MP who has, as far as we know to date, not actually done anything wrong.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 10:30:57 GMT
"given me a very balanced account of the incident". ie she gave her version of events That is far from the nonsense you are claiming. Anyone is quite entitled to raise points with the police , right or wrong and they are obliged to listen. What nonsense am I claiming? My summary was of the BBC report. Don't make the mistake of reading other's straw man arguments and accepting them as accurate.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 10:39:33 GMT
Just for clarity Any chance you could post a link where the met fully accept the MPs version of events and admits profiling by race I never said they had. You've straw-manned an argument for yourself again. In the BBC report "Chief Supt Roy Smith tweeted to say he had spoken to the MP who had "given me a very balanced account of the incident". The Met Police officer added the force "are listening" to concerns she had about the police stop and the officers involved, and she was "quite entitled to raise them". Until the bodycam footage emerges, if it does, we'll know no more than what both sides have so far said. Grounds in itself for not wanting someone tasered, slapped or referred to as a bitch, I'd have thought, but there goes that dog whistle again.... Where have I said I want buttler tasered Can you ponit out where I have said she should be slapped And Id love you to find the post where I have referred to her as a bitch Deflection deflection deflection An apology would be nice but I shan't hold my breath Stick to facts not Liberal deflecting bullshit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:40:59 GMT
"given me a very balanced account of the incident". ie she gave her version of events That is far from the nonsense you are claiming. Anyone is quite entitled to raise points with the police , right or wrong and they are obliged to listen. What nonsense am I claiming? My summary was of the BBC report. Don't make the mistake of reading other's straw man arguments and accepting them as accurate. By straw man you mean chairman of the MET police who wants the footage released to the public over someone who once lied over paperwork from Obama, expenses,homeless figures and gave her version of events to the BBC ? Am accepting someone who has seen the incident and not a proven liar as accurate. I was stopped by the police on Friday. I didn't feel the need to go public with it or try to make it a race issue. Imagine a black person being stopped in a 61 % black area. I thought she'd be all for the police stopping and searching to prevent the kind of incident from the night before but obviously her being inconvenienced and smiling about it on camera is a far more important issue to her.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
Speaking of political biases on The Oatcake, we had Karl Henry being labelled a 'Tory cunt' a few weeks ago (wrong kind of black?) by the same person holding the left-leaning and part-time woman-basher Stan Collymore up as a bastion of moral standards on the same thread 🤷♂️
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 10:42:41 GMT
"given me a very balanced account of the incident". ie she gave her version of events That is far from the nonsense you are claiming. Anyone is quite entitled to raise points with the police , right or wrong and they are obliged to listen. Come on now it was certainly balanced Buttlers got a chip on both shoulders
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 11, 2020 10:46:17 GMT
Precisely. I don’t think police chiefs would be falling over themselves to get the footage out there if they had something to hide. They’re clearly upset about something, whoever is lying here needs dragging over the coals and I know who my money’s on. I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. Simply suggesting that there is absolutely no proof of racial profiling. It’s just Dawn Butlers word against the police. And that the police would like more in depth footage to be released to get the full picture of what happened. Until then it’s just guess work. All I could see was a smirking woman using her privileged position to belittle a police officer. And do me a favour. Can you not make personal slanderous comments? Cheers
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 10:50:09 GMT
I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. Simply suggesting that there is absolutely no proof of racial profiling. It’s just Dawn Butlers word against the police. And that the police would like more in depth footage to be released to get the full picture of what happened. Until then it’s just guess work. All I could see was a smirking woman using her privileged position to belittle a police officer. And do me a favour. Can you not make personal slanderous comments? Cheers When they resort to that they've got no argument mate.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 11, 2020 10:50:45 GMT
Speaking of political biases on The Oatcake, we had Karl Henry being labelled a 'Tory cunt' a few weeks ago (wrong kind of black?) by the same person holding the left-leaning and part-time woman-basher Stan Collymore up as a bastion of moral standards on the same thread 🤷♂️ You're becoming one special poster. Where did it all go wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:53:18 GMT
I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. Simply suggesting that there is absolutely no proof of racial profiling. It’s just Dawn Butlers word against the police. And that the police would like more in depth footage to be released to get the full picture of what happened. Until then it’s just guess work. All I could see was a smirking woman using her privileged position to belittle a police officer. And do me a favour. Can you not make personal slanderous comments? Cheers Sums it up 100% . You know when folk make personal comments is because they have nothing else to offer
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 11, 2020 10:54:01 GMT
"given me a very balanced account of the incident". ie she gave her version of events That is far from the nonsense you are claiming. Anyone is quite entitled to raise points with the police , right or wrong and they are obliged to listen. Come on now it was certainly balanced Buttlers got a chip on both shoulders Black person with a chip on their shoulder. Racist trope number 667 goes in to everyday EE board parlance.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 11, 2020 10:56:03 GMT
Speaking of political biases on The Oatcake, we had Karl Henry being labelled a 'Tory cunt' a few weeks ago (wrong kind of black?) by the same person holding the left-leaning and part-time woman-basher Stan Collymore up as a bastion of moral standards on the same thread 🤷♂️ You're becoming one special poster. Where did it all go wrong? Yet another thread that displays the casual and serial racism that infects this board. I despair, I really do.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 10:57:13 GMT
Speaking of political biases on The Oatcake, we had Karl Henry being labelled a 'Tory cunt' a few weeks ago (wrong kind of black?) by the same person holding the left-leaning and part-time woman-basher Stan Collymore up as a bastion of moral standards on the same thread 🤷♂️ You're becoming one special poster. Where did it all go wrong? I'm literally just summing up what you wrote on that thread and highlighting your bias. You're the one who reduces threads to slanging matches so with regard to your question, right back at you 😊
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 10:58:39 GMT
I never said they had. You've straw-manned an argument for yourself again. In the BBC report "Chief Supt Roy Smith tweeted to say he had spoken to the MP who had "given me a very balanced account of the incident". The Met Police officer added the force "are listening" to concerns she had about the police stop and the officers involved, and she was "quite entitled to raise them". Until the bodycam footage emerges, if it does, we'll know no more than what both sides have so far said. Grounds in itself for not wanting someone tasered, slapped or referred to as a bitch, I'd have thought, but there goes that dog whistle again.... Where have I said I want buttler tasered Can you ponit out where I have said she should be slapped And Id love you to find the post where I have referred to her as a bitch Deflection deflection deflection An apology would be nice but I shan't hold my breath Stick to facts not Liberal deflecting bullshit Where did I say you had said those things? But several other people on this thread have done so! zerps said she should've been tasered, northy called her an awful race baiting bitch, dutchstokie wanted her slapped and sent on her way... Such a lovely reaction to someone who, so far, doesn't actually appear to have done anything wrong!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 11, 2020 10:59:22 GMT
You're becoming one special poster. Where did it all go wrong? I'm literally just making up what you wrote on that thread and highlighting my bias. You're the one who reduces threads to slanging matches so with regard to your question, right back at you 😊 Tidied for you. No need for any thanks.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 11:07:01 GMT
I think we all know who your money's on Along with pretty much everybody else from the "I'm not racist, but..." mob. Simply suggesting that there is absolutely no proof of racial profiling. It’s just Dawn Butlers word against the police. And that the police would like more in depth footage to be released to get the full picture of what happened. Until then it’s just guess work. All I could see was a smirking woman using her privileged position to belittle a police officer. And do me a favour. Can you not make personal slanderous comments? Cheers I never said there was! Amazing how people will make up their own arguments! You're right it is Dawn Butler's word against the police. Something which has apparently triggered outrage on the EEB once again, leading to several posters wanting to see her variously tasered, slapped or just verbally abused! And how is it personally slanderous? If I'd said you were a racist that would be libellous, potentially, not slanderous, but since I didn't and thought of you more in the "I'm not racist, but..." camp, since you freely admitted you'd stick your money on the police being right not the black, female Labour MP. But while we're talking of betting, I think it's a safe one that most of those who also don't think of themselves as remotely racist on here but always seem to be on the side attacking any claim of discrimination by non-white people would agree with you. Crapslinger will be along in a second to prove the point...
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 11:16:16 GMT
Where have I said I want buttler tasered Can you ponit out where I have said she should be slapped And Id love you to find the post where I have referred to her as a bitch Deflection deflection deflection An apology would be nice but I shan't hold my breath Stick to facts not Liberal deflecting bullshit Where did I say you had said those things? But several other people on this thread have done so! zerps said she should've been tasered, northy called her an awful race baiting bitch, dutchstokie wanted her slapped and sent on her way... Such a lovely reaction to someone who, so far, doesn't actually appear to have done anything wrong! Then why post those comments in reply to one of my posts? I'm no more responsible for there views or posts than I am yours
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 11, 2020 11:19:03 GMT
Simply suggesting that there is absolutely no proof of racial profiling. It’s just Dawn Butlers word against the police. And that the police would like more in depth footage to be released to get the full picture of what happened. Until then it’s just guess work. All I could see was a smirking woman using her privileged position to belittle a police officer. And do me a favour. Can you not make personal slanderous comments? Cheers I never said there was! Amazing how people will make up their own arguments! You're right it is Dawn Butler's word against the police. Something which has apparently triggered outrage on the EEB once again, leading to several posters wanting to see her variously tasered, slapped or just verbally abused! And how is it personally slanderous? If I'd said you were a racist that would be libellous, potentially, not slanderous, but since I didn't and thought of you more in the "I'm not racist, but..." camp, since you freely admitted you'd stick your money on the police being right not the black, female Labour MP. But while we're talking of betting, I think it's a safe one that most of those who also don't think of themselves as remotely racist on here but always seem to be on the side attacking any claim of discrimination by non-white people would agree with you. Crapslinger will be along in a second to prove the point... I haven’t used the word Black whatsoever nor have I used the word female as a derogatory term. The only thing swaying my opinion as yet is Ms Butlers proven track record of lying for personal gain.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 11:24:03 GMT
Where did I say you had said those things? But several other people on this thread have done so! zerps said she should've been tasered, northy called her an awful race baiting bitch, dutchstokie wanted her slapped and sent on her way... Such a lovely reaction to someone who, so far, doesn't actually appear to have done anything wrong! Then why post those comments in reply to one of my posts? I'm no more responsible for there views or posts than I am yours I see. I was making a general comment on the reaction of some other posters on the thread, not yourself. I'm happy to make that clear.
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