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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 17:00:25 GMT
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 14, 2020 17:11:06 GMT
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Post by lommack on Aug 14, 2020 17:21:47 GMT
Absolutely shocking
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Post by Han Solo on Aug 14, 2020 17:55:39 GMT
Pretty awful stuff and inexcusable conduct from those posting those messages. What I would say however is that you cannot compare those idiots posting those messages to anything that goes on the oatcake board which is generally people not agreeing with how miss Butler goes about her business and how rather than having the “me, me” attitude she should be putting all her efforts into working with the police in stopping the increasing number of young black lives being lost to knife crime. What I would also say is if you want an example of racism look at those messages posted by idiots / knuckle draggers not the Met Police who are simply doing there job and trying to stop violent crime in the capital. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 17:58:07 GMT
Pretty awful stuff and inexcusable conduct from those posting those messages. What I would say however is that you cannot compare those idiots posting those messages to anything that goes on the oatcake board which is generally people not agreeing with how miss Butler goes about her business and how rather than having the “me, me” attitude she should be putting all her efforts into working with the police in stopping the increasing number of young black lives being lost to knife crime. What I would also say is if you want an example of racism look at those messages posted by idiots / knuckle draggers not the Met Police who are simply doing there job and trying to stop violent crime in the capital. Stop talking sense man😉 |
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Post by franklin on Aug 14, 2020 18:04:13 GMT
Pretty awful stuff and inexcusable conduct from those posting those messages. What I would say however is that you cannot compare those idiots posting those messages to anything that goes on the oatcake board which is generally people not agreeing with how miss Butler goes about her business and how rather than having the “me, me” attitude she should be putting all her efforts into working with the police in stopping the increasing number of young black lives being lost to knife crime. What I would also say is if you want an example of racism look at those messages posted by idiots / knuckle draggers not the Met Police who are simply doing there job and trying to stop violent crime in the capital. All deplorable but I'd like to add a reminder of her tweet regarding inbred white supremacist scum. |
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Post by Han Solo on Aug 14, 2020 18:06:35 GMT
Pretty awful stuff and inexcusable conduct from those posting those messages. What I would say however is that you cannot compare those idiots posting those messages to anything that goes on the oatcake board which is generally people not agreeing with how miss Butler goes about her business and how rather than having the “me, me” attitude she should be putting all her efforts into working with the police in stopping the increasing number of young black lives being lost to knife crime. What I would also say is if you want an example of racism look at those messages posted by idiots / knuckle draggers not the Met Police who are simply doing there job and trying to stop violent crime in the capital. All deplorable but I'd like to add a reminder of her tweet regarding inbred white supremacist scum. Very good point. It works both ways |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 18:10:47 GMT
Awaiting whataboutery claims........
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 14, 2020 18:25:28 GMT
Awaiting whataboutery claims........ Agreed... what about her tweet about inbred white racist scum... |
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 14, 2020 18:26:21 GMT
Awaiting whataboutery claims........ Agreed... what about her tweet about inbred white racist scum... Sorry supremacist |
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Post by lommack on Aug 14, 2020 18:39:04 GMT
This place is just a microcosm of society
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 18:42:34 GMT
This place is just a microcosm of society I’ll agree on that👍🏻 |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2020 18:43:52 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history.
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Post by lommack on Aug 14, 2020 18:49:44 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history. How many of the brave souls do you think have left her a message? |
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Post by Han Solo on Aug 14, 2020 18:50:28 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history. Don’t talk nonsense. |
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Post by lommack on Aug 14, 2020 18:52:01 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history. Don’t talk nonsense. Ok  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2020 18:55:57 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history. How many of the brave souls do you think have left her a message? I think Craig Williams from the tweet ticks all the EE board boxes. He's got it all. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 19:00:29 GMT
How many of the brave souls do you think have left her a message? I think Craig Williams from the tweet ticks all the EE board boxes. He's got it all. Is he a Stoke fan though?😉 |
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Post by Han Solo on Aug 14, 2020 19:35:28 GMT
How many of the brave souls do you think have left her a message? I think Craig Williams from the tweet ticks all the EE board boxes. He's got it all. His point re the Police isn’t far wrong it’s just very badly worded  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 14, 2020 20:01:48 GMT
You really can understand why some folk on here post the stuff they do.
They were absolutely convinced the driver was white, Butler was lying, she's just a shit stirrer etc etc hence their posts...turns out the Met are quite happy to corroborate Butler's statement on that front, have apologised and will happily be working together from now on.
Meanwhile, Butler shows the stuff she's received on twitter which sadly reflects much of the 'thinking' that goes on on here from some people, which has included tasering and slapping the "race-baiting bitch". And some people try to claim the twitter mob is nothing like the stuff that goes on on the EEB!
But it's not racism, remember.
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Post by lommack on Aug 14, 2020 20:02:38 GMT
I think Craig Williams from the tweet ticks all the EE board boxes. He's got it all. His point re the Police isn’t far wrong it’s just very badly worded The old "badly worded" excuse:) |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 20:23:01 GMT
At the risk of being lambasted I don’t think it tells normal sane people what they didn’t already know. The driver was black (although I agree, some didn’t) the police stopped them mistakenly, she recorded the “whole” ordeal (which the public are yet to see), she “seemed” to take great pleasure in degrading a police officer, she put it on Twitter, the police apologised, the police have asked for body cam footage to be released (which as yet hasn’t happened).
Nothing has changed in my view.
There were some vile posts there absolutely and I’m sure nobody on here including myself would condone such filth.
Accusations of racist, fascist, bigot etc are as defamatory as racism itself so if people could take note and make some reasoned arguments instead of reducing another thread to childish barbs (guilty as charged) maybe we could find a little common ground on the subject.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 14, 2020 20:31:02 GMT
The problem I have with Dawn Butler is she has repeatedly shown herself to be a tad untrustworthy. She has grouped together a whole load of posts, some of which appear to directly reference her, others which are generic attacks that could be aimed at anyone. The last one is 6 weeks old? Additionally, some of those posts kind of look more like opinions rather than abuse. If I call Dawn Butler a liar, does that count as abuse? If so, Donald Trump receives more abuse than anyone in the world. One or two of those are people strongly calling her out for being disingenuous. You can't call that abuse. It's some fucker with no power telling someone with lots of it that she is telling porkies. Who is the privileged one again ? I think this has the potential to go down the Fiona Onasanya route, with Dawn Butler eventually comparing herself to fucking Jesus or something ridiculous. The video she recorded is questionable at best. It's resulted in people calling for the body worn footage of the police and that'll potentially open a can of worms. Do I think she's lied? Don't know. I think she's probably used hyperbole to describe a situation that isn't as serious as she perceived. You can't blame the police for defending themselves though. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2020 20:43:39 GMT
I didn't even realise it was a tweet, I just thought it was a copy and paste from a few users posting history. Don’t talk nonsense. He would be fcuking mute  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 14, 2020 20:44:32 GMT
The problem I have with Dawn Butler is she has repeatedly shown herself to be a tad untrustworthy. She has grouped together a whole load of posts, some of which appear to directly reference her, others which are generic attacks that could be aimed at anyone. The last one is 6 weeks old? Additionally, some of those posts kind of look more like opinions rather than abuse. If I call Dawn Butler a liar, does that count as abuse? If so, Donald Trump receives more abuse than anyone in the world. One or two of those are people strongly calling her out for being disingenuous. You can't call that abuse. It's some fucker with no power telling someone with lots of it that she is telling porkies. Who is the privileged one again ? I think this has the potential to go down the Fiona Onasanya route, with Dawn Butler eventually comparing herself to fucking Jesus or something ridiculous. The video she recorded is questionable at best. It's resulted in people calling for the body worn footage of the police and that'll potentially open a can of worms. Do I think she's lied? Don't know. I think she's probably used hyperbole to describe a situation that isn't as serious as she perceived. You can't blame the police for defending themselves though. So far the police have apologised and agreed to work with Butler in future. Perhaps the bodycam footage will show a different angle, if it is released. In the meantime, Butler has got shitloads of abuse, from people on Twitter and on here, with folk suggesting tasering and slapping the "bitch" (which I've yet to see anyone even acknowledge, let alone condemn), interspersed with posters swapping Hitler and KKK jokes. It's a pretty unedifying spectacle which goes a long way to demonstrating how some on here are prone to think. |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 14, 2020 20:59:22 GMT
The problem I have with Dawn Butler is she has repeatedly shown herself to be a tad untrustworthy. She has grouped together a whole load of posts, some of which appear to directly reference her, others which are generic attacks that could be aimed at anyone. The last one is 6 weeks old? Additionally, some of those posts kind of look more like opinions rather than abuse. If I call Dawn Butler a liar, does that count as abuse? If so, Donald Trump receives more abuse than anyone in the world. One or two of those are people strongly calling her out for being disingenuous. You can't call that abuse. It's some fucker with no power telling someone with lots of it that she is telling porkies. Who is the privileged one again ? I think this has the potential to go down the Fiona Onasanya route, with Dawn Butler eventually comparing herself to fucking Jesus or something ridiculous. The video she recorded is questionable at best. It's resulted in people calling for the body worn footage of the police and that'll potentially open a can of worms. Do I think she's lied? Don't know. I think she's probably used hyperbole to describe a situation that isn't as serious as she perceived. You can't blame the police for defending themselves though. So far the police have apologised and agreed to work with Butler in future. Perhaps the bodycam footage will show a different angle, if it is released. In the meantime, Butler has got shitloads of abuse, from people on Twitter and on here, with folk suggesting tasering and slapping the "bitch" (which I've yet to see anyone even acknowledge, let alone condemn), interspersed with posters swapping Hitler and KKK jokes. It's a pretty unedifying spectacle which goes a long way to demonstrating how some on here are prone to think. Anyone suggesting violence should really think twice about where their lives are going. She's a human and her story certainly deserves to be analysed and investigated. If the police officers have acted improperly then they should be punished accordingly. That said, she's happily gone ahead and generalised pretty much every police officer in this country (I assume BAME police officers are not part of the institutional structures that enable racism?). Words are powerful and like I said, unlike the idiots who spout bile on the Twatternet, she is in a position of power. As for the token apology from the police... Who has that come from, the police PR department or the officers themselves? There appears to be (a lot of) conflicting information. I actually do believe the police are systemically corrupt and have said this for years, including many times on this forum. I suspect as part of that model of corruption which seeks to punish everyone regardless of skin colour, there will also be clusters of racism that exist within certain forces. I don't believe that most ordinary officers wake up in the morning and think "right, how do we plan on persecuting minorities today" |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2020 21:11:36 GMT
He would be fcuking mute Hi Craig |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2020 21:18:19 GMT
I think Craig Williams from the tweet ticks all the EE board boxes. He's got it all. His point re the Police isn’t far wrong it’s just very badly worded I think he may have slipped into Abbotpotamus mode and misspoke it's easily done when you are wearing two left shoes and incredibly fcuking thick |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2020 21:24:10 GMT
He would be fcuking mute Hi Craig Hi Dawn |
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Post by Han Solo on Aug 14, 2020 21:33:00 GMT
The problem I have with Dawn Butler is she has repeatedly shown herself to be a tad untrustworthy. She has grouped together a whole load of posts, some of which appear to directly reference her, others which are generic attacks that could be aimed at anyone. The last one is 6 weeks old? Additionally, some of those posts kind of look more like opinions rather than abuse. If I call Dawn Butler a liar, does that count as abuse? If so, Donald Trump receives more abuse than anyone in the world. One or two of those are people strongly calling her out for being disingenuous. You can't call that abuse. It's some fucker with no power telling someone with lots of it that she is telling porkies. Who is the privileged one again ? I think this has the potential to go down the Fiona Onasanya route, with Dawn Butler eventually comparing herself to fucking Jesus or something ridiculous. The video she recorded is questionable at best. It's resulted in people calling for the body worn footage of the police and that'll potentially open a can of worms. Do I think she's lied? Don't know. I think she's probably used hyperbole to describe a situation that isn't as serious as she perceived. You can't blame the police for defending themselves though. So far the police have apologised and agreed to work with Butler in future. Perhaps the bodycam footage will show a different angle, if it is released. In the meantime, Butler has got shitloads of abuse, from people on Twitter and on here, with folk suggesting tasering and slapping the "bitch" (which I've yet to see anyone even acknowledge, let alone condemn), interspersed with posters swapping Hitler and KKK jokes. It's a pretty unedifying spectacle which goes a long way to demonstrating how some on here are prone to think. I think it’s excellent that Ms Butler will be attending training to speak to officers. Education is certainly the way forward for both sides. What I would say though is that Ms Butler also needs to be prepared to listen to an officers perspective on things in respect to what a difficult job they have, something which she didn’t appear to be willing to do on her stop. If equality and relationships are to be improved then both sides have to have a voice and both sides need to listen. This can’t be a one way thing or nothing will be achieved. I stand by my original thoughts in respect to Ms Butlers way of dealing with the situation being wrong. If she had an issue she should have dealt with it privately like most people rather than posting it all over Twitter and throwing various accusations online. It’s important in my opinion that the Met release their body cams so we can at least have the issue cleared up one way or another or else there will always be doubt re exactly what happened. In relation to the apology I’d be very surprised if the apology she refers to was in respect to the check being incorrect rather than the officers being rude or racist as it could be interpreted. Unfortunately Ms Butler has a habit of putting her twist on things so only time will tell. |
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