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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 5:10:42 GMT
I just don’t see it happening. Imagine going for a piss at half time while trying to social distance with everyone? I did hear that there was discussion about closing the toilets at half time to avoid this problem ( seriously ! ) but that would probably only bring the problem forward to the period before half-time and increase what they call the "brush past" factor in the seated areas. The SGSA guide appears remarkably silent on this. The only bit I've noticed says For example, it is likely that spectators will spend longer in toilet areas owing to the need to wash their hands thoroughly, as recommended by public health authorities to prevent the spread of COVID-19. To avoid excessive queues in this scenario, it may therefore be necessary to provide additional hand washing facilities away from toilet areas. This approach is particularly recommended if those facilities can be located out of doors, thereby reducing the COVID-19 health risks associated with crowded indoor facilitiesI assume that there will be appropriate markings and maybe controlled entry on the number in at one time. In the gents probably alternate urinals taken out of use. Would obviously need a lot but portaloos? With a gate open for in and one for out and sanitiser at these exit and entry points or stuck on outside of bog. Only issue I see is potential for dicks tipping em over etc etc but stick a couple of coppers there be fine. I digress but Footballs the only place I see the police actively police/go over the top without consequence so sorted
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Post by Scouse on Aug 11, 2020 5:19:04 GMT
Jamesdoh As I’ve posted previously , the early bird sale period ran its original planned and announced course 6th March -6 April ..it didn’t close early , what happened was that the club announced due to financial issues relating to Covid that there’d be a 2nd window ( a short sighted ‘ promise’ IMO as reduced capacities were already being talked about by supporters at that time ) it might be pedantic, but in the coming weeks , months those articles could become very important to both sides , those who bought in the original period ..and those that didn’t , and of course the club, particularly as the club have appeared to confirm their plan to reopen EB at some point at the recent SC meeting .. the ticket office ( and shops ) announced on 19/3 that they’d stop taking cash payments on the 20 March and following the PMs announcement , the club announced shops would close but ticket office would remain open , on 26/03 EB tickets changed to online only ... with a contact email provided by the club Club website Articles 6 March ..announced/ confirmed the dates ..6 March - 6 April 2 April .. announced/ confirmed the closure on the following Monday 6th April ..but with the added info that the scheme would be reopened March 6 Article Stoke City Season Cards, which have been frozen for the 13th successive year, are now on sale at Early Bird prices. Buying between now and April 6 guarantees you a seat for every league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 2020/21 season at the cheapest possible price… along with a host of other benefits, including: From next season onwards free coach travel to all away league games exclusive to Season Card holders only. Season Card holders will have the chance to snap up an official Macron 2020/21 home and away shirt with an exclusive 10% off from their release until the end of August. Season Card holders will also have the opportunity to buy up to five discounted tickets for friends and family for at least one league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 20/21 season (chosen at the Club’s discretion). What’s more, Season Card holders can take advantage of 20% off tickets for all cup games played at the bet365 Stadium played during the 20/21 campaign. Season Card holders are also entitled to free entry to all home games played by our U23 and Women’s sides. The Club can also confirm that we will once again offering free Season Cards to youngsters who have been members of the City 7s this season – and indeed in any of the previous three seasons – as long as they are accompanied by a paying adult. For the first time the City 7s offer is available online. Adult Early Bird Season Cards again start at £294 (£12.78/game), while the Boothen End remains £344 (£14.96/game). You can choose to spread the cost of your Season Card via our 12-month direct debit scheme and we strongly advise supporters looking to do so to apply online. Existing Season Card holders’ seats will be reserved until April 6. Details on the seat exchange period will be announced in due course. Existing car parking spots will also be reserved until that point and as no new parking opportunities are available for the 2020/21 season at this stage, only renewals will be accepted during the Early Bird period. The easiest way to purchase a Season Card is online at tickets.stokecityfc.com/. Alternatively you can do it in person by visiting the bet365 Stadium Ticket Office or by calling (01782) 367599. A full list of Early Bird prices (along with prices for the 12-month direct debit scheme) are available at the bottom of this page. Article 2nd April First Early Bird sales period closes on Monday The Early Bird window will reopen at a later date Current Season Card holders can claim their seat in second sales period at the current Early Bird price Stoke City 2020/21 Season Cards will remain on sale at Early Bird prices until midnight on Monday (April 6). Fans are reminded that, due to financial uncertainty for many supporters during this difficult time, the Early Bird period will re-open at a later date. The date of the second Early Bird sales period will be announced in due course. Current Season Card holders who wish to renew in the second sales period will still be able to keep their seat. Supporters who have committed to pay for 2020/21 Season Cards by direct debit who wish to stop payments should contact the Ticket Office as soon as possible. Now it maybe entirely possible it’s the clubs plan ( as it’s the way I’d do it ) that if original sales haven’t reached the maximum expected reduced capacity , that the 2nd window sells only a figure up to that capacity , if the capacity has been reached then imo then the window shouldn’t reopen.In the same way as you wouldn’t expect the club to sell 40,000 STs in normal times for a 30,000 capacity stadium. The difficulty for the club of course is that a waiting list may need to be set up to make provision in case capacities increased in the future selling tickets knowingly in the 2nd window that reduces the number of games people will be able to attend , particularly those that bought in the first window ..is likely to see a club ( including ours ) face a legal challenge ..i That having been said , from my dim and distant recollection of my season tickets in the 70 and 80s they had a term and condition that acceptance of the full terms and condition of use became valid once the ST is used for the 1st time..and if terms and conditions can be changed from point of sale and point of use ..the terms and conditions of the 1st window I’d thought can’t be changed , they of course change the terms and conditions in the 2nd window I presume one of the reasons the club have yet to announce the date EB will go back on sale is they’re awaiting clarification on capacity and the legal points attributed to selling more tickets than they may have room for , particularly if they do that knowingly
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 11, 2020 7:49:55 GMT
Jamesdoh As I’ve posted previously , the early bird sale period ran its original planned and announced course 6th March -6 April ..it didn’t close early , what happened was that the club announced due to financial issues relating to Covid that there’d be a 2nd window ( a short sighted ‘ promise’ IMO as reduced capacities were already being talked about by supporters at that time ) it might be pedantic, but in the coming weeks , months those articles could become very important to both sides , those who bought in the original period ..and those that didn’t , and of course the club, particularly as the club have appeared to confirm their plan to reopen EB at some point at the recent SC meeting .. the ticket office ( and shops ) announced on 19/3 that they’d stop taking cash payments on the 20 March and following the PMs announcement , the club announced shops would close but ticket office would remain open , on 26/03 EB tickets changed to online only ... with a contact email provided by the club Club website Articles 6 March ..announced/ confirmed the dates ..6 March - 6 April 2 April .. announced/ confirmed the closure on the following Monday 6th April ..but with the added info that the scheme would be reopened March 6 Article Stoke City Season Cards, which have been frozen for the 13th successive year, are now on sale at Early Bird prices. Buying between now and April 6 guarantees you a seat for every league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 2020/21 season at the cheapest possible price… along with a host of other benefits, including: From next season onwards free coach travel to all away league games exclusive to Season Card holders only. Season Card holders will have the chance to snap up an official Macron 2020/21 home and away shirt with an exclusive 10% off from their release until the end of August. Season Card holders will also have the opportunity to buy up to five discounted tickets for friends and family for at least one league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 20/21 season (chosen at the Club’s discretion). What’s more, Season Card holders can take advantage of 20% off tickets for all cup games played at the bet365 Stadium played during the 20/21 campaign. Season Card holders are also entitled to free entry to all home games played by our U23 and Women’s sides. The Club can also confirm that we will once again offering free Season Cards to youngsters who have been members of the City 7s this season – and indeed in any of the previous three seasons – as long as they are accompanied by a paying adult. For the first time the City 7s offer is available online. Adult Early Bird Season Cards again start at £294 (£12.78/game), while the Boothen End remains £344 (£14.96/game). You can choose to spread the cost of your Season Card via our 12-month direct debit scheme and we strongly advise supporters looking to do so to apply online. Existing Season Card holders’ seats will be reserved until April 6. Details on the seat exchange period will be announced in due course. Existing car parking spots will also be reserved until that point and as no new parking opportunities are available for the 2020/21 season at this stage, only renewals will be accepted during the Early Bird period. The easiest way to purchase a Season Card is online at tickets.stokecityfc.com/. Alternatively you can do it in person by visiting the bet365 Stadium Ticket Office or by calling (01782) 367599. A full list of Early Bird prices (along with prices for the 12-month direct debit scheme) are available at the bottom of this page. Article 2nd April First Early Bird sales period closes on Monday The Early Bird window will reopen at a later date Current Season Card holders can claim their seat in second sales period at the current Early Bird price Stoke City 2020/21 Season Cards will remain on sale at Early Bird prices until midnight on Monday (April 6). Fans are reminded that, due to financial uncertainty for many supporters during this difficult time, the Early Bird period will re-open at a later date. The date of the second Early Bird sales period will be announced in due course. Current Season Card holders who wish to renew in the second sales period will still be able to keep their seat. Supporters who have committed to pay for 2020/21 Season Cards by direct debit who wish to stop payments should contact the Ticket Office as soon as possible. Now it maybe entirely possible it’s the clubs plan ( as it’s the way I’d do it ) that if original sales haven’t reached the maximum expected reduced capacity , that the 2nd window sells only a figure up to that capacity , if the capacity has been reached then imo then the window shouldn’t reopen.In the same way as you wouldn’t expect the club to sell 40,000 STs in normal times for a 30,000 capacity stadium. The difficulty for the club of course is that a waiting list may need to be set up to make provision in case capacities increased in the future selling tickets knowingly in the 2nd window that reduces the number of games people will be able to attend , particularly those that bought in the first window ..is likely to see a club ( including ours ) face a legal challenge ..i That having been said , from my dim and distant recollection of my season tickets in the 70 and 80s they had a term and condition that acceptance of the full terms and condition of use became valid once the ST is used for the 1st time..and if terms and conditions can be changed from point of sale and point of use ..the terms and conditions of the 1st window I’d thought can’t be changed , they of course change the terms and conditions in the 2nd window I presume one of the reasons the club have yet to announce the date EB will go back on sale is they’re awaiting clarification on capacity and the legal points attributed to selling more tickets than they may have room for , particularly if they do that knowingly I think that's a very helpful audit trail and analysis, Scouse. Thank you. Of course, it is further complicated by the truth that some who have already brought EB season cards may not wish to use them whilst restrictions are in place, either because of personal health concerns or because they simply can't be bothered with it all ( as some have said on here). And the capacity laid down by the rules, at least in theory, is not a fixed figure because people can sit next to those from the same household or with whom they are in bubble, but not next to others. Our family have 5 season cards from 4 different households, 2 of which are in a bubble with each other ! Situations of that kind with grandparents etc will not be uncommon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 8:30:39 GMT
What I struggle to understand is how can The London Palladium open at 30% capacity, yet football stadia (outdoors) of similar capacity cannot?!
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Post by Veritas on Aug 11, 2020 16:10:51 GMT
What I struggle to understand is how can The London Palladium open at 30% capacity, yet football stadia (outdoors) of similar capacity cannot?! Palladium capacity is 2200 so 30% is around 700.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
Jamesdoh As I’ve posted previously , the early bird sale period ran its original planned and announced course 6th March -6 April ..it didn’t close early , what happened was that the club announced due to financial issues relating to Covid that there’d be a 2nd window ( a short sighted ‘ promise’ IMO as reduced capacities were already being talked about by supporters at that time ) it might be pedantic, but in the coming weeks , months those articles could become very important to both sides , those who bought in the original period ..and those that didn’t , and of course the club, particularly as the club have appeared to confirm their plan to reopen EB at some point at the recent SC meeting .. the ticket office ( and shops ) announced on 19/3 that they’d stop taking cash payments on the 20 March and following the PMs announcement , the club announced shops would close but ticket office would remain open , on 26/03 EB tickets changed to online only ... with a contact email provided by the club Club website Articles 6 March ..announced/ confirmed the dates ..6 March - 6 April 2 April .. announced/ confirmed the closure on the following Monday 6th April ..but with the added info that the scheme would be reopened March 6 Article Stoke City Season Cards, which have been frozen for the 13th successive year, are now on sale at Early Bird prices. Buying between now and April 6 guarantees you a seat for every league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 2020/21 season at the cheapest possible price… along with a host of other benefits, including: From next season onwards free coach travel to all away league games exclusive to Season Card holders only. Season Card holders will have the chance to snap up an official Macron 2020/21 home and away shirt with an exclusive 10% off from their release until the end of August. Season Card holders will also have the opportunity to buy up to five discounted tickets for friends and family for at least one league game at the bet365 Stadium during the 20/21 season (chosen at the Club’s discretion). What’s more, Season Card holders can take advantage of 20% off tickets for all cup games played at the bet365 Stadium played during the 20/21 campaign. Season Card holders are also entitled to free entry to all home games played by our U23 and Women’s sides. The Club can also confirm that we will once again offering free Season Cards to youngsters who have been members of the City 7s this season – and indeed in any of the previous three seasons – as long as they are accompanied by a paying adult. For the first time the City 7s offer is available online. Adult Early Bird Season Cards again start at £294 (£12.78/game), while the Boothen End remains £344 (£14.96/game). You can choose to spread the cost of your Season Card via our 12-month direct debit scheme and we strongly advise supporters looking to do so to apply online. Existing Season Card holders’ seats will be reserved until April 6. Details on the seat exchange period will be announced in due course. Existing car parking spots will also be reserved until that point and as no new parking opportunities are available for the 2020/21 season at this stage, only renewals will be accepted during the Early Bird period. The easiest way to purchase a Season Card is online at tickets.stokecityfc.com/. Alternatively you can do it in person by visiting the bet365 Stadium Ticket Office or by calling (01782) 367599. A full list of Early Bird prices (along with prices for the 12-month direct debit scheme) are available at the bottom of this page. Article 2nd April First Early Bird sales period closes on Monday The Early Bird window will reopen at a later date Current Season Card holders can claim their seat in second sales period at the current Early Bird price Stoke City 2020/21 Season Cards will remain on sale at Early Bird prices until midnight on Monday (April 6). Fans are reminded that, due to financial uncertainty for many supporters during this difficult time, the Early Bird period will re-open at a later date. The date of the second Early Bird sales period will be announced in due course. Current Season Card holders who wish to renew in the second sales period will still be able to keep their seat. Supporters who have committed to pay for 2020/21 Season Cards by direct debit who wish to stop payments should contact the Ticket Office as soon as possible. Now it maybe entirely possible it’s the clubs plan ( as it’s the way I’d do it ) that if original sales haven’t reached the maximum expected reduced capacity , that the 2nd window sells only a figure up to that capacity , if the capacity has been reached then imo then the window shouldn’t reopen.In the same way as you wouldn’t expect the club to sell 40,000 STs in normal times for a 30,000 capacity stadium. The difficulty for the club of course is that a waiting list may need to be set up to make provision in case capacities increased in the future selling tickets knowingly in the 2nd window that reduces the number of games people will be able to attend , particularly those that bought in the first window ..is likely to see a club ( including ours ) face a legal challenge ..i That having been said , from my dim and distant recollection of my season tickets in the 70 and 80s they had a term and condition that acceptance of the full terms and condition of use became valid once the ST is used for the 1st time..and if terms and conditions can be changed from point of sale and point of use ..the terms and conditions of the 1st window I’d thought can’t be changed , they of course change the terms and conditions in the 2nd window I presume one of the reasons the club have yet to announce the date EB will go back on sale is they’re awaiting clarification on capacity and the legal points attributed to selling more tickets than they may have room for , particularly if they do that knowingly I think that's a very helpful audit trail and analysis, Scouse. Thank you. Of course, it is further complicated by the truth that some who have already brought EB season cards may not wish to use them whilst restrictions are in place, either because of personal health concerns or because they simply can't be bothered with it all ( as some have said on here). And the capacity laid down by the rules, at least in theory, is not a fixed figure because people can sit next to those from the same household or with whom they are in bubble, but not next to others. Our family have 5 season cards from 4 different households, 2 of which are in a bubble with each other ! Situations of that kind with grandparents etc will not be uncommon. Indeed Malcolm. The situation has altered massively since the first EB window opened, on so many levels. It's looking almost certain that the club won't be able to provide the service that they originally put up for sale and even if they CAN do so, some (possibly many) purchasers simply won't even want it anymore, when it's offered in such a different way. In light of this, I suppose the club could elect to refund EVERYBODY who purchased a season ticket in the first EB window and simply start the process again by presenting people with a NEW product for sale. This is what it actually IS, this is what it's going to cost you, do you want to buy it? Obviously they're not going to be able to tell customers what service they can actually provide for a good while yet.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 11, 2020 17:35:10 GMT
I think that's a very helpful audit trail and analysis, Scouse. Thank you. Of course, it is further complicated by the truth that some who have already brought EB season cards may not wish to use them whilst restrictions are in place, either because of personal health concerns or because they simply can't be bothered with it all ( as some have said on here). And the capacity laid down by the rules, at least in theory, is not a fixed figure because people can sit next to those from the same household or with whom they are in bubble, but not next to others. Our family have 5 season cards from 4 different households, 2 of which are in a bubble with each other ! Situations of that kind with grandparents etc will not be uncommon. Indeed Malcolm. The situation has altered massively since the first EB window opened, on so many levels. It's looking almost certain that the club won't be able to provide the service that they originally put up for sale and even if they CAN do so, some (possibly many) purchasers simply won't even want it anymore, when it's offered in such a different way. In light of this, I suppose the club could elect to refund EVERYBODY who purchased a season ticket in the first EB window and simply start the process again by presenting people with a NEW product for sale. This is what it actually IS, this is what it's going to cost you, do you want to buy it? Obviously they're not going to be able to tell customers what service they can actually provide for a good while yet. The bit that no one seems to consistently address (not you Paul btw) is that you reserve an actual seat number as well as a ST. There needs to be an equitable solution to this because early bird is about reserving your seat not just securing attendance. The way I read it I have been promised by the club an extension to reserve my seat past 6th April and therefore as such it's not currently up for grabs.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 17:47:13 GMT
Indeed Malcolm. The situation has altered massively since the first EB window opened, on so many levels. It's looking almost certain that the club won't be able to provide the service that they originally put up for sale and even if they CAN do so, some (possibly many) purchasers simply won't even want it anymore, when it's offered in such a different way. In light of this, I suppose the club could elect to refund EVERYBODY who purchased a season ticket in the first EB window and simply start the process again by presenting people with a NEW product for sale. This is what it actually IS, this is what it's going to cost you, do you want to buy it? Obviously they're not going to be able to tell customers what service they can actually provide for a good while yet. The bit that no one seems to consistently address (not you Paul btw) is that you reserve an actual seat number as well as a ST. There needs to be an equitable solution to this because early bird is about reserving your seat not just securing attendance. The way I read it I have been promised by the club an extension to reserve my seat past 6th April and therefore as such it's not currently up for grabs. Exactly Andy. The club are no longer (it would appear) able to provide the product that they have already sold to people who have purchased in the first EB window OR/AND meet the guarantee that they gave to people who intended to purchase in the second EB window. In light of this (and it certainly isn't the fault of the club), it would then seem logical, to refund those customers who have already purchased and begin the process again, when the club know for certain, what the product they have available for sale, actually IS.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 11, 2020 18:45:59 GMT
The bit that no one seems to consistently address (not you Paul btw) is that you reserve an actual seat number as well as a ST. There needs to be an equitable solution to this because early bird is about reserving your seat not just securing attendance. The way I read it I have been promised by the club an extension to reserve my seat past 6th April and therefore as such it's not currently up for grabs. Exactly Andy. The club are no longer (it would appear) able to provide the product that they have already sold to people who have purchased in the first EB window OR/AND meet the guarantee that they gave to people who intended to purchase in the second EB window. In light of this (and it certainly isn't the fault of the club), it would then seem logical, to refund those customers who have already purchased and begin the process again, when the club know for certain, what the product they have available for sale, actually IS. I don't have any issue with that at all. The whole preference process is back to square one. I suspect the logistics of the refund is behind the inertia. So long as we all reset equally to pre early bird #1. I think all the stakeholders should be content. We just need to imagine lockdown happened before the offer (Jan 2020), that way no one has any outstanding issues or claim. The simplest product to sell existing ST holders is a streaming-cum-video-seat pass combo at a revised price.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 18:55:26 GMT
Exactly Andy. The club are no longer (it would appear) able to provide the product that they have already sold to people who have purchased in the first EB window OR/AND meet the guarantee that they gave to people who intended to purchase in the second EB window. In light of this (and it certainly isn't the fault of the club), it would then seem logical, to refund those customers who have already purchased and begin the process again, when the club know for certain, what the product they have available for sale, actually IS. I don't have any issue with that at all. The whole preference process is back to square one. I suspect the logistics of the refund is behind the inertia. So long as we all reset equally to pre early bird #1. I think all the stakeholders should be content. We just need to imagine lockdown happened before the offer (Jan 2020), that way no one has any outstanding issues or claim. The simplest product to sell existing ST holders is a streaming-cum-video-seat pass combo at a revised price. That's it in a nutshell Andy, it's exactly what I'm proposing. It completely eradicates any claim of "but I was sold this" or "I EXPECT this" or "you promised I could do this" or "if that's what it actually is, then I no longer want it". What a purchaser or prospective purchaser, did or didn't do in the first EB window becomes completely irrelevant, the moment the club return the money to those that have already made a purchase. Through no fault of their own, they are no longer able to provide customers with the product that they originally wished to sell, so they are (understandably) now withdrawing that product and providing an alternative product for sale (to everybody).
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2020 19:14:34 GMT
I have already brought mine and I'd be happy for it to roll over to next season, not that keen on a TV deal as they will be readily available for a fraction of the cost.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 19:20:49 GMT
I have already brought mine and I'd be happy for it to roll over to next season, not that keen on a TV deal as they will be readily available for a fraction of the cost. By that, do you mean roll it over to the 21/22 season mate, as nobody actually knows what the 20/21 season is going to entail?
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2020 19:27:47 GMT
I have already brought mine and I'd be happy for it to roll over to next season, not that keen on a TV deal as they will be readily available for a fraction of the cost. By that, do you mean roll it over to the 21/22 season mate, as nobody actually knows what the 20/21 season is going to entail? Yes I do mean that mate, if the season starts in September no way will we be watching it in the stadiums till the end of this year/start of next year.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 19:34:14 GMT
By that, do you mean roll it over to the 21/22 season mate, as nobody actually knows what the 20/21 season is going to entail? Yes I do mean that mate, if the season starts in September no way will we be watching it in the stadiums till the end of this year/start of next year. That totally makes sense mate, a think a lot of people would agree with you. What ever is going to be made available to us this coming season, is going to be a far cry from the product that was originally put up for sale in the first EB window.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 11, 2020 19:41:42 GMT
As mentioned above, the only fair thing the club can do is refund those that have already purchased an early bird ticket, as those terms and conditions no longer apply. Then have another early bird sales period where people have different options: Option 1. Buy a season ticket as ‘normal’. This means the club would expect you to attend home games in your normal seat. Sold on a first come first served basis up to the new maximum limit eg 15,000. Option 2. Buy a ‘reserved seat’ season ticket for a nominal fee. This would enable people who don’t want to attend games to still keep their existing seat, and the club would NOT expect you to attend home games. Option 3. Buy a ‘streaming seat’ season ticket. This would enable people who don’t want to attend games to still keep their existing seat and you get a package of games to watch online, and the club would NOT expect you to attend home games.
I’m sure there are many different scenarios and I don’t envy the club trying to sort it all out.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Aug 12, 2020 8:39:19 GMT
The only option is to get hold of that brand new Russian vaccine and return to normality.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 12, 2020 12:53:47 GMT
The only option is to get hold of that brand new Russian vaccine and return to normality. That assumes The Russians can be trusted The vaccine works at all If it does it work it provides immunity for more than a few months
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Post by bridget on Aug 12, 2020 20:22:39 GMT
This may be a unpopular opinion at this time as it very much feels that anybody having any of the clubs loyalty points or some kind of record for attending games is actually being looked on as some sort of scourge of the club and are being penalised for their un-wavering support. If you purchased a ticket back in April and/or have loyalty points and feel that you should be given some sort of priority when we are allowed back into games then you should email tony.scholes and anthony.emmerson@stokecityfc.com to express their views. If we don't we will get trodden all over by the PC brigade. We can't rely on the fans forum to air our concerns as their views were well documented in todays sentinel article and are so unlikely to fight our corner given they have completely opposing views.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 12, 2020 20:59:43 GMT
This may be a unpopular opinion at this time as it very much feels that anybody having any of the clubs loyalty points or some kind of record for attending games is actually being looked on as some sort of scourge of the club and are being penalised for their un-wavering support. If you purchased a ticket back in April and/or have loyalty points and feel that you should be given some sort of priority when we are allowed back into games then you should email tony.scholes and anthony.emmerson@stokecityfc.com to express their views. If we don't we will get trodden all over by the PC brigade. We can't rely on the fans forum to air our concerns as their views were well documented in todays sentinel article and are so unlikely to fight our corner given they have completely opposing views. I purchased back in march, whilst I would love to get back watching if a system were in place and I missed out on being at the match I'd have no quarms about it, for me it's the whole package, meet up with the lads a few drinks a spot of food. If I'm chosen I'd be happy but I'd still like to think we could get a beer and a burger whilst enjoying the football otherwise I'd happily let some else attend.
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Post by bridget on Aug 12, 2020 21:58:03 GMT
This may be a unpopular opinion at this time as it very much feels that anybody having any of the clubs loyalty points or some kind of record for attending games is actually being looked on as some sort of scourge of the club and are being penalised for their un-wavering support. If you purchased a ticket back in April and/or have loyalty points and feel that you should be given some sort of priority when we are allowed back into games then you should email tony.scholes and anthony.emmerson@stokecityfc.com to express their views. If we don't we will get trodden all over by the PC brigade. We can't rely on the fans forum to air our concerns as their views were well documented in todays sentinel article and are so unlikely to fight our corner given they have completely opposing views. I purchased back in march, whilst I would love to get back watching if a system were in place and I missed out on being at the match I'd have no quarms about it, for me it's the whole package, meet up with the lads a few drinks a spot of food. If I'm chosen I'd be happy but I'd still like to think we could get a beer and a burger whilst enjoying the football otherwise I'd happily let some else attend.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 12, 2020 22:09:15 GMT
Indeed Malcolm. The situation has altered massively since the first EB window opened, on so many levels. It's looking almost certain that the club won't be able to provide the service that they originally put up for sale and even if they CAN do so, some (possibly many) purchasers simply won't even want it anymore, when it's offered in such a different way. In light of this, I suppose the club could elect to refund EVERYBODY who purchased a season ticket in the first EB window and simply start the process again by presenting people with a NEW product for sale. This is what it actually IS, this is what it's going to cost you, do you want to buy it? Obviously they're not going to be able to tell customers what service they can actually provide for a good while yet. The bit that no one seems to consistently address (not you Paul btw) is that you reserve an actual seat number as well as a ST. There needs to be an equitable solution to this because early bird is about reserving your seat not just securing attendance. The way I read it I have been promised by the club an extension to reserve my seat past 6th April and therefore as such it's not currently up for grabs. An interesting debate. I’ve had the same seat since August 1997 and have paid for the 20/21 season during the initial early bird sale. I await with interest
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Post by werrington on Aug 14, 2020 9:16:19 GMT
What a load of bollocks Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return mol.im/a/8626789Looks like it could be as early as next month though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 9:18:07 GMT
What a load of bollocks Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return mol.im/a/8626789Looks like it could be as early as next month though Can I be the first to comment that no one sings or chants at the Bet365 these days anyway.......
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 14, 2020 9:22:56 GMT
What a load of bollocks Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return mol.im/a/8626789Looks like it could be as early as next month though Can I be the first to comment that no one sings or chants at the Bet365 these days anyway....... The bloke who sits behind me NEVER shuts up. He’s like John Motson on Speed.
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Post by franklin on Aug 14, 2020 9:25:59 GMT
So you can watch the snooker final this weekend so.....
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2020 9:26:03 GMT
What a load of bollocks Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return mol.im/a/8626789Looks like it could be as early as next month though Crikey they’ll be banning smoking in the ground next!😉
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Post by Scouse on Aug 14, 2020 9:59:55 GMT
The bit that no one seems to consistently address (not you Paul btw) is that you reserve an actual seat number as well as a ST. There needs to be an equitable solution to this because early bird is about reserving your seat not just securing attendance. The way I read it I have been promised by the club an extension to reserve my seat past 6th April and therefore as such it's not currently up for grabs. An interesting debate. I’ve had the same seat since August 1997 and have paid for the 20/21 season during the initial early bird sale. I await with interest In fairness the actual seat allocated by the club is probably covered in standard terms and conditions .. historic precedents have already been set at the Brit / bet365 ( all be it for cup games ) of season tickets of being moved ..FA cup for large away allocations , UEFA cat 1 seats ( west upper ) UEFA cup for UEFA delegates and away fans ..though presume new seat would have to be of same or greater value ..or refund of loss given personally I’ll accept any seat given as opposed to none ..even a seat on the bench , where my presence would have been more useful to the club than the contribution made by some of the players that have sat there in recent times
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 23:46:51 GMT
I’ll keep my money in my pocket and go watch a veterans Sunday league side!! Can’t be any worse than this dads army shit we’re getting together
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 15, 2020 7:23:30 GMT
What a load of bollocks Football fans won't be allowed to sing or chant when they return mol.im/a/8626789Looks like it could be as early as next month though I'm not sure if that's what you meant, Werrington, but I believe it is the article itself which is, to put it more politely then you have, a gross over-interpretation of the position. In the first post in this thread I drew amused attention to draft SGSA guidance which refereed to fans "taking care" when singing or shouting, whatever that means. That, as far as we in the FSA know, and at national level we are very close to all this as you would expect, is all there has been on this. The idea that fans could ever in practice be banned from singing or shouting, or that signing such an undertaking would be a condition of entry is an absurdity.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 15, 2020 7:55:04 GMT
Jamesdoh As I’ve posted previously , the early bird sale period ran its original planned and announced course 6th March -6 April ..it didn’t close early , what happened was that the club announced due to financial issues relating to Covid that there’d be a 2nd window ( a short sighted ‘ promise’ IMO as reduced capacities were already being talked about by supporters at that time ) if the capacity has been reached then imo then the window shouldn’t reopen.In the same way as you wouldn’t expect the club to sell 40,000 STs in normal times for a 30,000 capacity stadium. I presume one of the reasons the club have yet to announce the date EB will go back on sale is they’re awaiting clarification on capacity and the legal points attributed to selling more tickets than they may have room for , particularly if they do that knowingly Whilst I can understand your mathematical and legal logic, Scouse, the problem of course, is that even if you think it was a short-sighted promise, it was a promise, which was made with the interests of fans at heart. Of course, hindsight is always a wonderful thing, and none of us knew at the beginning of April just how serious and long-lasting all this would become. A lot of fans, for very understandable financial and convenience reasons, leave their early bird purchase until towards the end of the window. We were due to play Barnsley at home on 4th April, 2 days before it closed. If, for example, you were a longstanding season card holder who had planned to renew on that day, but following the announcement of a second window decided to wait until that, you would be very aggrieved to now be told that you are to be lower priority than those who had renewed earlier in the window. Personally I don't think that would be a sustainable position for the Club to take or one which they would win if a complaint was made to the Independent Football Ombudsman. I think we would all agree that this is not an easy problem to solve, by any means.
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