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Post by jebbstuart on Jul 28, 2020 18:27:37 GMT
It was not seen at the time, no complaint was made, now they are relegated they kick off with an appeal.
we been here before Lampard's goal for England not given, Maradona hand of god. nothing is going to change those events its sometimes human error.
Vermin club hopefully it happens a few more times to them, i just loath that club.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 28, 2020 18:41:38 GMT
Tony never let that happen to us, top man. I suspect they will start by standing by the manager and by selling key assets for a huge profit Ake , Wilson and To start raising significant funds , without loaning out players and leaving them with the likes of King , stansilaus and Brookes to challenge for a return im not sure Tony’s got or ever had a plan like that let alone execute it 😏and I can’t stand them regardless |
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 28, 2020 18:41:58 GMT
I have to say that no matter how much I hate the cheating bunch of cnuts they surely have a case with that goal🤔Yes the technology failed but surely the liner/VAR have to see that What got me regarding the 'goal' that wasn't, is that anyone with an eye in their head could see it was well over the line. But Michael Oliver (the ref) refused to give it because the thing on his wrist didn't beep to say it had crossed the line, even though his eyes told him it clearly had. I think Hawk-Eye a great tool to help a ref, but like all machinery, it's not infallible. He should have stopped the game at the first chance, and consulted with the linesman, to hear what he thought. and the VAR ref to say he thinks it was a goal and that the technology might be at fault and could they confirm it one way or the other. That would have been the common sense thing to do, but no. No beep - no goal. |
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Post by saintquin on Jul 28, 2020 18:54:24 GMT
Can't see them getting any joy if they tried to sue. Goal line tech is only there to help the officials and if they were to win the every club would sue on every mistake officials make!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 28, 2020 18:58:30 GMT
It was not seen at the time, no complaint was made, now they are relegated they kick off with an appeal. we been here before Lampard's goal for England not given, Maradona hand of god. nothing is going to change those events its sometimes human error. Vermin club hopefully it happens a few more times to them, i just loath that club. It was seen by pretty much everyone at the time (bar the goal line tech and the liner) and they did complain  I think they've got a case, it was meant to be fool proof and its cost them, yeh maybe they were shit over the season but that goal would have kept them up given how the season panned out. I'd expect Stoke to do the same in their position. |
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Post by Kpsje on Jul 28, 2020 19:09:22 GMT
owned by a russian - another reason not to like them. not trustworthy, look what happened in salisbury.
pleased they went down
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 28, 2020 19:16:06 GMT
sounds great, do you have to be a member? I liked 'Karma Chameleon' and 'Church of the Poisoned Mind' but the rest of their output I can take it or leave it. |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2020 19:16:07 GMT
I have to say that no matter how much I hate the cheating bunch of cnuts they surely have a case with that goal🤔Yes the technology failed but surely the liner/VAR have to see that What got me regarding the 'goal' that wasn't, is that anyone with an eye in their head could see it was well over the line. But Michael Oliver (the ref) refused to give it because the thing on his wrist didn't beep to say it had crossed the line, even though his eyes told him it clearly had. I think Hawk-Eye a great tool to help a ref, but like all machinery, it's not infallible. He should have stopped the game at the first chance, and consulted with the linesman, to hear what he thought. and the VAR ref to say he thinks it was a goal and that the technology might be at fault and could they confirm it one way or the other. That would have been the common sense thing to do, but no. No beep - no goal. Agreed at the end of the day he was the ref and the decision was his not VARS. If he thought it was in he should have given it VAR is an aid not in charge he's a shit house and abdicated his responsibility. |
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Jul 28, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
For those criticising the referee and officials...
They're told to observe the technology reporting. It gets tested by Hawk-eye technicians before the game, and the match officials confirm it's working before kick off.
For all intents and purposes, it was working at the time.
The freak incident around the player positioning etc caused this "error" to occur, with the manufacturers coming out and explaining exactly what happened and how.
Let's flip it around.
Imagine the watch beeped, but the referee overruled it and carried on - even though the ball was over the line. What then?
And you can criticise VAR until you're blue in the face - it's not VAR's decision to decide whether the ball crossed the line or not. That's not in it's remit.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2020 19:32:32 GMT
For those criticising the referee and officials... They're told to observe the technology reporting. It gets tested by Hawk-eye technicians before the game, and the match officials confirm it's working before kick off. For all intents and purposes, it was working at the time. The freak incident around the player positioning etc caused this "error" to occur, with the manufacturers coming out and explaining exactly what happened and how. Let's flip it around. Imagine the watch beeped, but the referee overruled it and carried on - even though the ball was over the line. What then? And you can criticise VAR until you're blue in the face - it's not VAR's decision to decide whether the ball crossed the line or not. That's not in it's remit. It's up to the ref he's in charge not VAR or Hawkeye they are aids to help him not for him to defer to. |
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Post by saintquin on Jul 28, 2020 19:37:25 GMT
sounds great, do you have to be a member? It helps if you are a "member" to get into the cunt club I think!
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 28, 2020 19:37:35 GMT
I'm glad it wasn't us that it had happened to. Whatever one thinks of Bournemouth and Howe, it was wrong and everybody knows it was wrong. But they can't change the result now even if they did sue because there's no telling what might have happened after the incident. I don't like VAR one bit but now they've got it then when it's so damned abvious that VAR is not working correctly, the ref, if he or any of his assistants have seen it not working or those monitoring the game have seen it, then they should have stopped the game, reviewed the incident, and put right the obvious technical error.
OS.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Jul 28, 2020 19:38:01 GMT
For those criticising the referee and officials... They're told to observe the technology reporting. It gets tested by Hawk-eye technicians before the game, and the match officials confirm it's working before kick off. For all intents and purposes, it was working at the time. The freak incident around the player positioning etc caused this "error" to occur, with the manufacturers coming out and explaining exactly what happened and how. Let's flip it around. Imagine the watch beeped, but the referee overruled it and carried on - even though the ball was over the line. What then? And you can criticise VAR until you're blue in the face - it's not VAR's decision to decide whether the ball crossed the line or not. That's not in it's remit. It's up to the ref he's in charge not VAR or Hawkeye they are aids to help him not for him to defer to.
Correct, but if he's blinked at the second it goes over the line, or he's distracted by something going on in the box and not where the ball is - then he has to rely on the tech. The tech said no goal (which has worked successfully in over 9000 games) - so why would it be wrong in this one instance? Hindsight is wonderful, but I don't see how you can blame the referee for it given PGMOL and Hawk-Eye both say it's a situation that they'd never encountered and not one foreseen.
Incidentally, IFAB rules state malfunction of VAR or GLT does not invalidate the match. Ergo Bournemouth have no leg to stand on in this case.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Jul 28, 2020 19:39:54 GMT
I'm glad it wasn't us that it had happened to. Whatever one thinks of Bournemouth and Howe, it was wrong and everybody knows it was wrong. But they can't change the result now even if they did sue because there's no telling what might have happened after the incident. I don't like VAR one bit but now they've got it then when it's so damned abvious that VAR is not working correctly, the ref, if he or any of his assistants have seen it not working or those monitoring the game have seen it, then they should have stopped the game, reviewed the incident, and put right the obvious technical error. OS.
That's not within the VAR remit though for the season just past. I imagine it will be for next...
In Rugby Union, of course, the referee would have deferred and asked the "is there a reason I cannot award the..." question. Until association football catches up, issues like this always stand a chance of occurring.
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Post by NassauDave on Jul 28, 2020 19:40:11 GMT
sounds great, do you have to be a member? You just have to be one. Get with the programme.😬 |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 28, 2020 19:45:38 GMT
It's up to the ref he's in charge not VAR or Hawkeye they are aids to help him not for him to defer to.
Correct, but if he's blinked at the second it goes over the line, or he's distracted by something going on in the box and not where the ball is - then he has to rely on the tech. The tech said no goal (which has worked successfully in over 9000 games) - so why would it be wrong in this one instance? Hindsight is wonderful, but I don't see how you can blame the referee for it given PGMOL and Hawk-Eye both say it's a situation that they'd never encountered and not one foreseen.
Incidentally, IFAB rules state malfunction of VAR or GLT does not invalidate the match. Ergo Bournemouth have no leg to stand on in this case.
But again the default is if he didnt see if he cant give it, on this occasion my understanding is he did see it was a goal but didnt give it because the tech failed. So it's not the techs fault it's his fault he bottled it. People go on as if it's not down to the ref to officiate but its for VAR or Hawkeye its not but on the issue with Bournemouth it's tough titty they dont have any merit in any legal challenge. |
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Post by redstriper on Jul 28, 2020 19:56:46 GMT
We had a number of crucial decisions go against us in the relegation season. Are we still blarting about it ?, no, they need to grow a pair, football is not an exact science. Decisions for and against should even up over a season. Unless you are manure of course - they have been favoured every season for since the air disaster.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 28, 2020 20:07:38 GMT
In my day, and I have no reason to believe it has changed, the Rules of The Game clearly state; The Referees Decision will be final.
VAR should be there to advise and assist, not decide.
In this particular case and in real time it may well be that he (the Ref) did not clearly see the incident. The technology failed to advise him. End of story.
If the game and the results that we all enjoy is going to be decided in retrospect in litigious courts of law we may as well pack up .
Bournemouth can not have a leg to stand on as far as their relegation is concerned. They may have a case against the providers of the failed technology. If so it will be a sad day for football, but possibly an argument for getting rid of VAR and relying on the good old fashioned officials and the controversy’s that we secretly love to argue about.
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2020 20:11:11 GMT
sounds great, do you have to be a member? I liked 'Karma Chameleon' and 'Church of the Poisoned Mind' but the rest of their output I can take it or leave it. Saw them at the Sugar mill supporting Spear of Destiny... ... apologies, bit obtuse |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 28, 2020 21:04:05 GMT
'Bournemouth's board is expected to discuss whether to pursue any legal challenge over the goalline technology error in the Aston Villa v Sheffield United match in June'
Well IF it is on the agenda for their board meeting I'd expect to be a very brief discussion.
There is just NO WAY they are going to launch a legal challenge here.
It's a short news day- nothing to see here.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 28, 2020 21:11:53 GMT
You can't review one particular decision without then scrutinising every single decision across the whole season, and even then it'd be out of context.
It's tin pot stuff.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 28, 2020 21:30:50 GMT
Can we review the 1972 FA cup semi - final replay while we are at it please?
Can we ask for compensation for a possibleFA cup win that was denied us?
Typical of that shower- what about games where Villa have had decisions go against them? Smith seems to think they’ve been on the wrong end of some decisions- shit happens, it’s just that this time it’s happened to a team that deserves it!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2020 21:36:02 GMT
I personally hope they sue.
Spend millions on Barristers and expert testimony and are then laughed out of court.
Loathe the wankers
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Post by brumstokie on Jul 28, 2020 21:56:53 GMT
The 1st rule of CUNT CLUB? |
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Post by skip on Jul 28, 2020 23:07:53 GMT
Saw them supporting Napalm Death at the Hummingbird in '89 |
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 29, 2020 6:48:37 GMT
What a load of bollocks, sheff utd should sue then as they could have increased their chances of european football.
Listened to Simon Jordan on this who said that clubs sign an agreement that they are happy to work with the technology, so basically a disclaimer.
Who's to say that if they went 1-0 down, villas mentality would not have changed and they may have won that game.
Clutching at straws, Norwich and watford should be sueing them surely.
They went down because they were shit
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