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Post by yeswilko on Jul 26, 2020 10:53:03 GMT
Why are the tories so weak on crime do you suppose? Because they spend to much time listening and worrying about the pissy pant Liberal woke left And there fawning human rights lawyers have they spent the whole 10 years "worrying about the pissy pant Liberal woke left" would you say? Or is it more of a recent thing?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 26, 2020 11:19:33 GMT
Because they spend to much time listening and worrying about the pissy pant Liberal woke left And there fawning human rights lawyers have they spent the whole 10 years "worrying about the pissy pant Liberal woke left" would you say? Or is it more of a recent thing? I would say it's something that all parties have done in the last twenty five odd years Would you suggest that a Starmer government would suddenly get tough on crime
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2020 11:26:48 GMT
A lovely piece of whataboutery on the end of the last page.
To which we could say...
That Chelsea supporting twat who twatted that odious journalist twat is as big a twat as the twat he twatted.
(Their respective twatteryness being different forms of twatteryness in much the same way as apples and oranges are both fruits but not easily directly compared)
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 26, 2020 11:31:43 GMT
have they spent the whole 10 years "worrying about the pissy pant Liberal woke left" would you say? Or is it more of a recent thing? I would say it's something that all parties have done in the last twenty five odd years Would you suggest that a Starmer government would suddenly get tough on crime Its got nothing to do with Starmer or anyone else except the people in charge for the last 10 years. This blaming of everyone and everything else is absolutely ridiculous. Can you not see yourself doing it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:34:37 GMT
In certain quarters the 'identity' politics might be considered to be a bit of a crisis of the left, but Jones has always focused on traditionally left concerns as far as I can tell - wages, jobs, working class interests. The Establishment, Chavs... In what way are they 'the bad part'? He’s fully engaged in the smearing and cancelling of anyone who holds dissenting views, ranging from feminists who protect the notion of biological sex, to Muslim women who have experienced some of the most malicious and misogynistic oppression you could imagine, and are now critical of the doctrines within Islam that enabled that oppression. I'm not sure I've seen him do this, other than to go quite hard against the Tories for the effects of austerity. Can you give me examples? Or by 'smearing and cancelling' are you not just mistaking him loudly (which he is able to do through a newspaper column and getting on TV) voicing his opinion?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 26, 2020 11:43:34 GMT
I would say it's something that all parties have done in the last twenty five odd years Would you suggest that a Starmer government would suddenly get tough on crime Its got nothing to do with Starmer or anyone else except the people in charge for the last 10 years. This blaming of everyone and everything else is absolutely ridiculous. Can you not see yourself doing it? I wasn't blaming anyone else I was asking if you think a Starmer government would be tougher Yes the government has been weak on crime What would I do I would allow the police to actually police Vastly increase stop and search A complete review on sentencing with greatly increased tariffs The building of five regional work prisons Where the inmates will be required to fix potholes five and a half days a week Funding for this can come out of the international aid budget
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 26, 2020 13:59:41 GMT
He’s fully engaged in the smearing and cancelling of anyone who holds dissenting views, ranging from feminists who protect the notion of biological sex, to Muslim women who have experienced some of the most malicious and misogynistic oppression you could imagine, and are now critical of the doctrines within Islam that enabled that oppression. I'm not sure I've seen him do this, other than to go quite hard against the Tories for the effects of austerity. Can you give me examples? Or by 'smearing and cancelling' are you not just mistaking him loudly (which he is able to do through a newspaper column and getting on TV) voicing his opinion? The one that sticks in my mind the most were his actions when the Change MPs announced their split from Labour. He spent days dredging through their twitter timelines looking for any historical association or retweet that could be cast as racist or bigoted. In the course of this he came across a retweet of a lady called Yasmine Mohammed, who I imagine he did a quick google of and came to the conclusion was an “islamophobic extremist”. Yasmine Mohammed’s story is incredible. She was forcibly married to a member of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, had a kid and suffered years of physical and mental abuse at the hands of him and his family (and indeed her own). Anyway long story short eventually she plucked up the monumental courage to risk everything and escape with her kid to Canada, where she became an academic and activist who is, understandably, highly critical of the doctrines of Islam. This woman showed bravery like the vast majority of us will never know, she is a true feminist hero. And all for a privileged oik from the west like Owen Jones to label her an “extremist” in the name of besmirching his newly-declared political enemies who had dared defy Jeremy Corbyn. It was shameful. That’s just one detailed example but he’s tried to have people cancelled numerous times. He’s written to people’s employers demanding their sacking for the views they hold. He readily smears gender-sceptic feminists as hateful and bigoted. Then there are his demands for the media to be more inclusive of gay voices, but then refusing to appear on the same show as Douglas Murray (a gay conservative) - the wrong type of gay you see. He doesn’t care about representation or diversity or even equality, he cares about his ideology and these minorities had better stay in their lane and fall into line behind it or they are cast out. Zero principles.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 27, 2020 0:07:13 GMT
A man is senselessy attacked for his sexual orientation and political views. A couple of posts in "But but but Corbyn" A couple of posts later "He's everything that's wrong with the left" You have to laugh....... The guy who attacked him is an actual Nazi and yet no condemnation of him from the usual quarters, just doubts over motive and somehow blaming the left. It does make you want laugh...or cry. The 'useful idiot' who hit him has had justice served. I would've thought the best way of hurting the likes OJ is to play the long game and then remind him of the election result. That has to hurt more than any drunken punch. Some people prefer draughts over chess though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2020 7:04:26 GMT
The guy who attacked him is an actual Nazi and yet no condemnation of him from the usual quarters, just doubts over motive and somehow blaming the left. It does make you want laugh...or cry. The 'useful idiot' who hit him has had justice served. I would've thought the best way of hurting the likes OJ is to play the long game and then remind him of the election result. That has to hurt more than any drunken punch. Some people prefer draughts over chess though. I imagine the Nazi cunt who assaulted him would struggle with a game of snap.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 27, 2020 7:31:47 GMT
The 'useful idiot' who hit him has had justice served. I would've thought the best way of hurting the likes OJ is to play the long game and then remind him of the election result. That has to hurt more than any drunken punch. Some people prefer draughts over chess though. I imagine the Nazi cunt who assaulted him would struggle with a game of snap. Now a Nazi is a “useful idiot” ? Neither useful nor an idiot but evil and dangerous!
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jul 30, 2020 12:06:23 GMT
But what basis are you making that assessment? I’ve disagreed with some of his views but generally find them cogently expressed? So, I can’t say he’s unintelligent quite the opposite? Being able to cogently express a view doesn’t make you intelligent. Guns don't kill people, rappers do. Degrees don't make you intelligent, being told you are by Rick does. Everyone knows that.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 31, 2020 7:48:05 GMT
Being able to cogently express a view doesn’t make you intelligent. Guns don't kill people, rappers do. Degrees don't make you intelligent, being told you are by Rick does. Everyone knows that. Jones doesn’t have a nuanced enough understanding of the world to be considered ‘intelligent’ but that’s just my opinion. There are plenty of people with degrees talking absolute bollocks nowadays and I could give you example after example.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 8:28:22 GMT
Guns don't kill people, rappers do. Degrees don't make you intelligent, being told you are by Rick does. Everyone knows that. Jones doesn’t have a nuanced enough understanding of the world to be considered ‘intelligent’ but that’s just my opinion. There are plenty of people with degrees talking absolute bollocks nowadays and I could give you example after example. Have you got a degree? Just teasing
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 31, 2020 9:37:11 GMT
Jones doesn’t have a nuanced enough understanding of the world to be considered ‘intelligent’ but that’s just my opinion. There are plenty of people with degrees talking absolute bollocks nowadays and I could give you example after example. Have you got a degree? Just teasing I have actually and I’m about to do a 2nd 😂
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Post by Northy on Jul 31, 2020 9:58:31 GMT
“not that bright”? Two Oxford degrees and a quali from Staffs uni Stoke in journalism? I wonder how bright that makes some of you right-wingers?☹️ 2 history degrees and an honorary degree from staffs uni, he shouts a lot when people want to discuss with him and he doesn't like their opinion, he thinks people who don't agree with him are far right .....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 11:05:36 GMT
“not that bright”? Two Oxford degrees and a quali from Staffs uni Stoke in journalism? I wonder how bright that makes some of you right-wingers?☹️ he thinks people who don't agree with him are right wing ..... The majority of people who slag him off on this board are, so it seems a fair enough assessment, if this board is at all representative of the outside world (heaven help us, if so!)
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Post by thevoid on Jul 31, 2020 15:00:50 GMT
We're falling into the trap of 'right wing automatically means extreme right' again, folks 🤔
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Post by Northy on Jul 31, 2020 15:04:20 GMT
he thinks people who don't agree with him are right wing ..... The majority of people who slag him off on this board are, so it seems a fair enough assessment, if this board is at all representative of the outside world (heaven help us, if so!) Oh dear, I meant to say 'far right' I'll edit it
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Post by thevoid on Jul 31, 2020 15:09:42 GMT
The majority of people who slag him off on this board are, so it seems a fair enough assessment, if this board is at all representative of the outside world (heaven help us, if so!) Oh dear, I meant to say 'far right' I'll edit it Good man - you're doing other people's jobs for them otherwise, and they don't need any encouragement 😉
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 15:12:24 GMT
We're falling into the trap of 'right wing automatically means extreme right' again, folks 🤔 Are we? The only person who's been described as extreme right is the arsehole who beat Jones up, who you described as a "useful idiot", in other words his usefulness was to beat someone up whose views you disagree with! He has "a string of football related convictions, has photos of himself giving a Nazi salute and connections to other far-right ideology". Seems fair enough.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 13, 2022 19:20:39 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 13, 2022 19:57:44 GMT
there’s something about the guy that’s thouroughly unpleasant
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 13, 2022 20:17:00 GMT
there’s something about the guy that’s thouroughly unpleasant A Prayer for Owen Meaney… A book about our favourite Guardianista? Possibly. Possibly not.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 13, 2022 20:57:03 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 13, 2022 21:55:05 GMT
He would say that wouldn’t he.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 13, 2022 21:56:29 GMT
He would say that wouldn’t he. His wording is interesting. He didn’t deny bullying. Just said the Guardian didn’t find him guilty of bullying.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 13, 2022 21:56:48 GMT
He would say that wouldn’t he. I’m simply putting his response on here which is only fair isn’t it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 13, 2022 21:58:01 GMT
He would say that wouldn’t he. His wording is interesting. He didn’t deny bullying. Just said the Guardian didn’t find him guilty of bullying. I think the suggestion is that the Guardian haven’t dealt with the matter.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 13, 2022 22:07:04 GMT
He would say that wouldn’t he. I’m simply putting his response on here which is only fair isn’t it? Completely fair. Good to see both sides…
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 13, 2022 22:09:16 GMT
I’m simply putting his response on here which is only fair isn’t it? Completely fair. Good to see both sides… You only have to see the way he behaves in interviews when he doesn’t get his own way that he’s a wrong un
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