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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:04:55 GMT
Wouldn’t give anyone other than Campbell, McClean and Clucas a 7. Powell, Allen and Vokes would likely get a 6. Most of the rest would fall somewhere between 5-6. We’ve had some good games, but the league position (somehow) flatters the campaign as a whole.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 25, 2020 0:22:51 GMT
Butland 2 Allen 4 Batth 4 Campbell 5 Carter Vickers 2 Chester 2 Clucas 6.5 Cousins. 4 Edwards 3 Gregory 3 Ince 2 Lindsay 4 Martins Indi 3 McClean 5 N Daiye 5 Powell 6 Smith 4 Vokes 3 Ward 3 O'Neill 10 Jones -1949191781 Interesting to see Allen is not many peoples favourite as for me he has been the only player consistently above average over the entire season and constantly singled out by a manager who does not like to single out players Whereas I do think most of these marks are in the correct range as most of the players have been rank average over the season - I am not sure I agree that Smith, Lindsay and Cousins have been on a par with Allen. I think I agree with our manager that Allen has been our most important player and would, therefore, give him a 7 and I also think Batth has been our best defender so would maybe move him up to a 5 or 6 - after that I would agree with most of the marks. No player deserves a player of the season award as nobody has overachieved or has been excellent or amazing - just one player that has been above average - and that is Allen - Clucas and Powell turn up for the odd game and have shown some talent as has Campbell, but all still have a lot to prove.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:30:00 GMT
Allen, Clucas, Powell, Campbell and McClean have all been brilliant.
Campbell especially should be mentioned much more than he has been. One of the very few things we have to be excited about.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 0:33:15 GMT
McClean running around like a headless chicken does nothing for me and until about 3 games in the new year and then the resumption, he’d have been on 2. He’s an awful footballer and the epitome for me of the attitude as a club and fanbase we need to move away from. I can’t stand players like him. Never have done and never will do. McClean has scored 7 and has been attributed to between 7-9 assists for the season. That’s over 38 games. If only we could have an awful footballer on the right wing as well. Indi only just barely passed as a left back for half the year when McClean was there to make up for his hilarious lack of positional sense. McClean is awful defensively and was an even worse left back than Indi.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:38:34 GMT
McClean has scored 7 and has been attributed to between 7-9 assists for the season. That’s over 38 games. If only we could have an awful footballer on the right wing as well. Indi only just barely passed as a left back for half the year when McClean was there to make up for his hilarious lack of positional sense. McClean is awful defensively and was an even worse left back than Indi. For sure. He was a terrible left back. Glad he played left mid for most of the season. He’s still had a pretty decent take from the wide position this year, especially in a team that ended up finishing at the bottom end of ‘mid table’.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 5:57:11 GMT
Minimum 10 appearances Butland 5 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 8 Carter Vickers 5 Chester 5 Clucas 7 Cousins. 6 Edwards 4 Gregory 5 Ince 4 Lindsay 5 Martins Indi 6 McClean 8 N Daiye 6 Powell 7 Smith 6 Vokes 5 Ward 4 O'Neill 9 Butland 5 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 7 Carter Vickers 3 Chester 3 Clucas 7 Cousins 5 Edwards 4 Gregory 6 Ince 2 Lindsay 4 Bruno 5 McClean 7 Ndiaye 6 Powell 7 Smith 5 Vokes 5 Ward 3
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 25, 2020 8:22:12 GMT
Butland 4
Smith 6 Batth 5 Chester 3 Carter Vickers 3 Ward 2 Indi 5 Lindsay 5 Edwards 4
Cousins 5 Ince 2 Clucas 8. 5 Allen 7 McLean 8 Ndiaye 7 Powell 7
Vokes 7 Campbell 7 Gregory 6
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Post by jeycov on Jul 25, 2020 12:14:14 GMT
Butland 4 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 6 Carter Vickers 4 Chester 5 Clucas 8 Cousins. 5 Edwards 3 Gregory 6 Ince 4 Lindsay 5 Martins Indi 5 McClean 8 N Daiye 3 Powell 8 Smith 4 Vokes 5 Ward 3
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 12:28:53 GMT
Butland 4 Allen 6.5 Batth 6.5 Campbell 7.5 Carter Vickers 3 Chester 5 Clucas 8 Cousins 6 Edwards 5 Etebo 6 Gregory 5 Ince 4 Lindsay 5 Martins Indi 6(out of position) McClean 6.5 N Daiye 6.5 Powell 7 Smith 6 Vokes 5 Ward 4
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 25, 2020 12:44:22 GMT
Powell, Campbell, Clucas, McClean and Allen deserve an 8 considering how little support they got from anyone else including the previous manager.
Everyone else 6 and below.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 25, 2020 16:27:23 GMT
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Post by sd22 on Jul 25, 2020 16:30:07 GMT
Butland 2 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 8 Carter Vickers 4 Chester 4 Clucas 9 Cousins. 5 Edwards 2 Gregory 4 Ince 0 Lindsay 5 Martins Indi 6 McClean 9 N Daiye 4 Powell 8 Smith 7 Vokes 7 Ward 2
O'Neill 9
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Post by stokecitystar2011 on Jul 25, 2020 16:45:14 GMT
I d only give a few 5+, the balance can be gone imo.
Campbell 7
Powell 7
Clucas 7
Allen 7
Baath 6
McLean 8
BMI 6
....Davies on his few appearances was remarkable!
Roll on next season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 19:26:57 GMT
Wow Bayernoatcake thinks Badou has been McCleans equal over the course of this season. Amazing🤣 In terms of quality they probably were, in terms of quantity obviously not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 19:30:37 GMT
Interesting to see Allen is not many peoples favourite as for me he has been the only player consistently above average over the entire season and constantly singled out by a manager who does not like to single out players Whereas I do think most of these marks are in the correct range as most of the players have been rank average over the season - I am not sure I agree that Smith, Lindsay and Cousins have been on a par with Allen. I think I agree with our manager that Allen has been our most important player and would, therefore, give him a 7 and I also think Batth has been our best defender so would maybe move him up to a 5 or 6 - after that I would agree with most of the marks. No player deserves a player of the season award as nobody has overachieved or has been excellent or amazing - just one player that has been above average - and that is Allen - Clucas and Powell turn up for the odd game and have shown some talent as has Campbell, but all still have a lot to prove. What did you give him the day he got himself pointlessly sent off, or the day he missed from two yards? Not to mention all the occasions he ran around the whole time achieving absolutely nothing. Or when he sarcastically cupped his ears in front of the supporters? At the time he was certainly a big fat zero on my chart. He was better under O'Neill, but it didn't last long for obvious reasons.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 25, 2020 20:32:35 GMT
Butland 2 Allen 4 Batth 4 Campbell 5 Carter Vickers 2 Chester 2 Clucas 6.5 Cousins. 4 Edwards 3 Gregory 3 Ince 2 Lindsay 4 Martins Indi 3 McClean 5 N Daiye 5 Powell 6 Smith 4 Vokes 3 Ward 3 O'Neill 10 Jones -1949191781 Bit of credibility back by giving Ince a 2, for me he was terrible this season and I couldn’t understand your defense of him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2020 20:42:23 GMT
Butland 4 Allen 5 Batth 6 Campbell 6 Carter Vickers 4 Chester 4 Clucas 8 Cousins. 5 Edwards 3 Gregory 4 Ince 4 Lindsay 4 Martins Indi 3 McClean 6 N Daiye 6 Powell 7 Smith 6 Vokes 3 Ward 2
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 23:31:59 GMT
Butland 2 Allen 4 Batth 4 Campbell 5 Carter Vickers 2 Chester 2 Clucas 6.5 Cousins. 4 Edwards 3 Gregory 3 Ince 2 Lindsay 4 Martins Indi 3 McClean 5 N Daiye 5 Powell 6 Smith 4 Vokes 3 Ward 3 O'Neill 10 Jones -1949191781 Bit of credibility back by giving Ince a 2, for me he was terrible this season and I couldn’t understand your defense of him. He’s a good footballer. And in a lot of the earlier games I don’t think he was as bad as people made out. Certainly not comparative to others. But whereas they improved under MON, he just hasn’t.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 26, 2020 10:14:08 GMT
Interesting to see Allen is not many peoples favourite as for me he has been the only player consistently above average over the entire season and constantly singled out by a manager who does not like to single out players Whereas I do think most of these marks are in the correct range as most of the players have been rank average over the season - I am not sure I agree that Smith, Lindsay and Cousins have been on a par with Allen. I think I agree with our manager that Allen has been our most important player and would, therefore, give him a 7 and I also think Batth has been our best defender so would maybe move him up to a 5 or 6 - after that I would agree with most of the marks. No player deserves a player of the season award as nobody has overachieved or has been excellent or amazing - just one player that has been above average - and that is Allen - Clucas and Powell turn up for the odd game and have shown some talent as has Campbell, but all still have a lot to prove. What did you give him the day he got himself pointlessly sent off, or the day he missed from two yards? Not to mention all the occasions he ran around the whole time achieving absolutely nothing. Or when he sarcastically cupped his ears in front of the supporters? At the time he was certainly a big fat zero on my chart. He was better under O'Neill, but it didn't last long for obvious reasons. Allen, for me, was our only player that turned up for the majority of the games and performed at a decent level with some really good contributions, and yes some not so good moments. Even on his bad days he keeps chipping away and rarely goes missing and will invariably always have a decent patch in most matches. Nobody is going to have 46 worldies and all players will have days when it just doesn't go for them - but he rarely goes missing and is probably our only player with genuine quality who could still probably play in the premier. No I did not like it when he cocked is ear and the timing of it was appalling, he did it when we were at the bottom of the table and it shows the victim mentality of our poor little hard done to squad - the how dare you criticise the most expensive squad in the division snowflake attitude. As far as I am concerned he can feck off and take the entire squad with him, we need better characters than that if we are going to move forward. 7 is a mark that is slightly above average and if we are to move forward, then this time next year 7 will have to be one of the worse marks for the regular starting 11 - we need 7 or 8 to be performing at eight and above and the rest to be performing at least to a 7. But for me, over the season, he was the only player in the squad that we can say performed slightly above average more often than not
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jul 26, 2020 10:38:41 GMT
All in all, none of that squad with the exception of one or two players would score higher than a 5. This season has been a shambles, if it was for O'Neill we'd have been dead and buried by March, possibly earlier.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 26, 2020 11:50:13 GMT
Minimum 10 appearances Butland 5 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 8 Carter Vickers 5 Chester 5 Clucas 7 Cousins. 6 Edwards 4 Gregory 5 Ince 4 Lindsay 5 Martins Indi 6 McClean 8 N Daiye 6 Powell 7 Smith 6 Vokes 5 Ward 4 O'Neill 9 Most I can agree with to a point, but how the hell did you give Ward 4? He was nothing short of woeful. 2 for me
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2020 12:13:36 GMT
Allen, Clucas, Powell, Campbell and McClean have all been brilliant. Campbell especially should be mentioned much more than he has been. One of the very few things we have to be excited about. On individual occasions. If we had 5 brilliant players we'd be top 6 . Can't turn it on and off like a tap. For example Powell has only performed maybe New Year onwards . 5 brilliant players is stretching things surely ?
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 26, 2020 15:41:32 GMT
All of em should be ducked in the Trent....every single one of em
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Jul 26, 2020 18:22:21 GMT
Butland 3 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 8 Carter Vickers 4 Chester 6 Clucas 8 Cousins. 5 Edwards 2 Gregory 5 Ince 3 Lindsay 3 Martins Indi 5 McClean 7 N Daiye 4 Powell 6 Smith 5 Vokes 4 Ward 3
O'Neill 9
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 27, 2020 21:38:18 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 27, 2020 22:44:51 GMT
Butland 4 Allen 6 Batth 6 Campbell 7 Carter Vickers 3 Chester 5 Clucas 7 Cousins 5 Edwards 2 Gregory 5 Ince 4 Lindsay 4 Bruno 5 McClean 7 Ndiaye 5 Powell 7 Smith 5 Vokes 5 Ward 2
Some scores would be more generous if I was basing it from game 16 onwards.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 27, 2020 23:12:24 GMT
Bit of credibility back by giving Ince a 2, for me he was terrible this season and I couldn’t understand your defense of him. He’s a good footballer. And in a lot of the earlier games I don’t think he was as bad as people made out. Certainly not comparative to others. But whereas they improved under MON, he just hasn’t. Bayern, a lot of what you say makes perfect sense but how you can keep trying to make out that Ince has the potential to be a footballer ( only having ever had good seasons in the Championship or League 1, over 4 years ago) while berating the likes of Allen Is beyond reason. Ince is finished- no heart, no pace and no intelligence at all- If the Forest player hadn’t scored the own goal Tom Mince would have been offside! After Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino this guy is the next one for wasted money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2020 9:11:42 GMT
He’s a good footballer. And in a lot of the earlier games I don’t think he was as bad as people made out. Certainly not comparative to others. But whereas they improved under MON, he just hasn’t. Bayern, a lot of what you say makes perfect sense but how you can keep trying to make out that Ince has the potential to be a footballer ( only having ever had good seasons in the Championship or League 1, over 4 years ago) while berating the likes of Allen Is beyond reason. Ince is finished- no heart, no pace and no intelligence at all- If the Forest player hadn’t scored the own goal Tom Mince would have been offside! After Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino this guy is the next one for wasted money. He's a good Championship footballer. Is that better? Allen is one of the biggest reasons playing wise we're in this mess so it's not beyond reason at all. I'd get rid of Ince.....
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 28, 2020 16:48:09 GMT
Butland 6 Allen 7 Batth 6 Campbell 8 Carter Vickers 6 Chester 5 Clucas 8 Cousins 6 Edwards 5 Gregory 6 Ince 4 Lindsay 6 Bruno 7 McClean 8 Powell 7 Smith 7 Vokes 5 Ward 5
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