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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2020 16:19:23 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 24, 2020 16:22:57 GMT
That article mentions nothing about 17m, intact it states we would only be entitled to “development costs”.
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 24, 2020 16:23:44 GMT
There is no mention of a 17 million fee?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 24, 2020 16:27:03 GMT
I hope you realise that if a player is too young to have a professional contract (which Sankoh is) no transfer fee is payable if he moves clubs. The club he goes to merely has to pay a small development fee to his old club?
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2020 16:32:51 GMT
He would transfer under contract as youth player until he turns 17 at which time he would a professional contract. Not sure where I read the 17 million - will have to retrace my steps.
edit: can’t find where I read the 17 million. Must have had a senior moment. The sad thing is a big team will sign him up just to prevent other teams getting him and then he’ll probably go out on loan when he turns 17 never to be seen again.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 24, 2020 16:37:22 GMT
I can’t see him agreeing a new deal with us when he has Chelsea and Spurs sniffing, amongst other big European clubs.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 24, 2020 17:36:47 GMT
He would transfer under contract as youth player until he turns 17 at which time he would a professional contract. Not sure where I read the 17 million - will have to retrace my steps. edit: can’t find where I read the 17 million. Must have had a senior moment. The sad thing is a big team will sign him up just to prevent other teams getting him and then he’ll probably go out on loan when he turns 17 never to be seen again. Stay off the sauce pisshead ...........😎fi
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 24, 2020 17:42:27 GMT
Doesn't seem right does it, but there you go. The smaller clubs don't have any protection at all, see Jude Bellingham. He'll probably just bum around in Chelsea Under whatevers for years and years you'd imagine.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 24, 2020 18:00:05 GMT
he as a better chance with us a big club will just loan him out to a lower league club for 2 or 3 years.he as a good chance to play for us, a big move will come for him in the future if he for fills is potential.
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Post by masne on Jul 24, 2020 18:35:52 GMT
Doesn't seem right does it, but there you go. The smaller clubs don't have any protection at all, see Jude Bellingham. He'll probably just bum around in Chelsea Under whatevers for years and years you'd imagine. See Jude Bellingham? What a silly comment given Brum have just received £25 million up front and more for appearances etc. I think 25 mill could be deemed as 'protection' dont you M
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2020 23:28:43 GMT
Doesn't seem right does it, but there you go. The smaller clubs don't have any protection at all, see Jude Bellingham. He'll probably just bum around in Chelsea Under whatevers for years and years you'd imagine. We can do this to clubs as well and do. It’s a shit system for sure but in the system we’re not top dogs but we’re one below with the academy category we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 23:40:55 GMT
We took Sankoh from Sparta so we can't feel too hard done by.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 0:07:34 GMT
We took Sankoh from Sparta so we can't feel too hard done by. Exactly. We should have given him a sniff in the cup or vs Forest (too late). He didn’t need to be a starter, but being offered an opportunity may have swayed him. That’s if he does go.
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Post by harlequin on Jul 25, 2020 0:43:02 GMT
Chelsea's hoovering up and loaning out of promising youth players to the extent they do is a complete abuse of the system though.
There should be some kind of limit on youth squad size including loaned out players. If a club thinks they're potentially world class and worthy of one of their limited spots then fair enough.
As it is, it's just a means to scalp profits off smaller teams, by snatching players they have no intent on progressing to the first team.
It's not enough they're top of the pyramid they want to abscond with everything they can get from those lower down.
Horrible system.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 0:49:34 GMT
We took Sankoh from Sparta so we can't feel too hard done by. Exactly. We should have given him a sniff in the cup or vs Forest (too late). He didn’t need to be a starter, but being offered an opportunity may have swayed him. That’s if he does go. He was 15 when this season started. He might have got on the bench had the season finished normally but he’s barely played for the 23s. And tbh I think we were handling him well tbh. There’s no way he should have been involved in the cup.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 1:40:55 GMT
Exactly. We should have given him a sniff in the cup or vs Forest (too late). He didn’t need to be a starter, but being offered an opportunity may have swayed him. That’s if he does go. He was 15 when this season started. He might have got on the bench had the season finished normally but he’s barely played for the 23s. And tbh I think we were handling him well tbh. There’s no way he should have been involved in the cup. The cups were never going to be anything for us. 15 or not, if he is going to be a ‘special player’, it’s not going to kill him to sit on a bench and be involved in the match day squad once in a 50 game season is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 10:58:53 GMT
He was 15 when this season started. He might have got on the bench had the season finished normally but he’s barely played for the 23s. And tbh I think we were handling him well tbh. There’s no way he should have been involved in the cup. The cups were never going to be anything for us. 15 or not, if he is going to be a ‘special player’, it’s not going to kill him to sit on a bench and be involved in the match day squad once in a 50 game season is it? Again why have you gone extreme? It’s also not very likely it’s going to happen either. There’s no way he should have been on the bench in the cup.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 25, 2020 11:05:28 GMT
I can’t see him agreeing a new deal with us when he has Chelsea and Spurs sniffing, amongst other big European clubs. Campbell had all but left. Sankoh seems a longer stretch to stay, but we have the power of O'Neill, and I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls another out of the bag! Doesn't seem right does it, but there you go. The smaller clubs don't have any protection at all, see Jude Bellingham. He'll probably just bum around in Chelsea Under whatevers for years and years you'd imagine. See Jude Bellingham? What a silly comment given Brum have just received £25 million up front and more for appearances etc. I think 25 mill could be deemed as 'protection' dont you M Wasn't that because Bellingham signed a contract with Birmingham he didn't have to sign, so that Birmingham would get a big fee for him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 11:11:01 GMT
Wouldn't be annoyed at him for leaving, it's not like Bellingham where he was from the area and at the academy from age 7.
In my eyes Chelsea actually don't have that good a record of creating truly talented youngsters when you consider the size of their 'loan army', they have some successes but it seems a low percentage.
At Stoke he'd be more known, a key man and we seem to have turned Tyrese into a very serviceable player.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 25, 2020 11:12:32 GMT
He would transfer under contract as youth player until he turns 17 at which time he would a professional contract. Not sure where I read the 17 million - will have to retrace my steps. edit: can’t find where I read the 17 million. Must have had a senior moment. The sad thing is a big team will sign him up just to prevent other teams getting him and then he’ll probably go out on loan when he turns 17 never to be seen again. Oh, you mean like Chelsea have been doing for ten years? You were correct, we will probably ,easily, get seventeen mill for him......in Dong* * For those ot you with your minds in the gutter it’s Vietnamese. (17 million is £573.34 at present)
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 25, 2020 15:58:41 GMT
1 assist and 0 goals in PL2 this season...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 16:02:20 GMT
1 assist and 0 goals in PL2 this season... Not bad for someone who would be 1st year scholar this time around if he signed 🤦♂️
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 16:33:17 GMT
He needs at least six months, probably the whole season at U23 level whoever he plays for.
All Stoke can do is offer a good contract and keep talking to the family
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 16:50:52 GMT
It's so hard with players his age to know which way he will go.
Hes clearly a big powerful lad for his age but that would be evened out in man's football.
A mate of mine was at Boros academy in the 90s. There were players, including him who, never made the grade yet were much better footballers than Andy Campbell who did. But Campbell was like a bloke at 13 so was a beast in youth football but never made a great adult player.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 25, 2020 20:59:52 GMT
It's so hard with players his age to know which way he will go. Hes clearly a big powerful lad for his age but that would be evened out in man's football. A mate of mine was at Boros academy in the 90s. There were players, including him who, never made the grade yet were much better footballers than Andy Campbell who did. But Campbell was like a bloke at 13 so was a beast in youth football but never made a great adult player. Michael Lennon?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:26:17 GMT
It's so hard with players his age to know which way he will go. Hes clearly a big powerful lad for his age but that would be evened out in man's football. A mate of mine was at Boros academy in the 90s. There were players, including him who, never made the grade yet were much better footballers than Andy Campbell who did. But Campbell was like a bloke at 13 so was a beast in youth football but never made a great adult player. Michael Lennon? No mate. Didn't no Micky Lennon was at Boro. This was a lad i was at Sheffield Uni with
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 25, 2020 21:29:49 GMT
We took Sankoh from Sparta so we can't feel too hard done by. Only because his mother emigrated to the Midlands.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 21:57:59 GMT
We took Sankoh from Sparta so we can't feel too hard done by. Only because his mother emigrated to the Midlands. He has loyalty to us like Bellingham at Birmingham who has been there since a kid. West Ham are set to lose one of their academy graduates as several big European clubs allegedly want him
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Post by neddy on Jul 26, 2020 7:53:39 GMT
Only because his mother emigrated to the Midlands. He has loyalty to us like Bellingham at Birmingham who has been there since a kid. West Ham are set to lose one of their academy graduates as several big European clubs allegedly want him If he is loyal to us wouldn’t he then sign a contract like Bellingham to enable a fee?
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Post by baystokie on Jul 26, 2020 8:32:05 GMT
He has loyalty to us like Bellingham at Birmingham who has been there since a kid. West Ham are set to lose one of their academy graduates as several big European clubs allegedly want him If he is loyal to us wouldn’t he then sign a contract like Bellingham to enable a fee? Bellingham was 17 so he could sign a professional contract, leading to a fee; Sankoh is not yet 17 so can't sign a professional contract so only a development fee so loyalty not a FACTOR - unless I've got the theory completely wrong?
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