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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 8, 2020 8:43:24 GMT
The owls are not what they seem...
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Post by lancer on Aug 8, 2020 8:43:57 GMT
I'm more than happy to wait and see what he's like. He's clearly good enough for MON, so I bow to his judgement.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 8:48:25 GMT
So maybe I am misreading this, as I agree, we could definitely need another Gk and potentially a new central defender in the window. However, my question is this, do you expect a team to do well if 3 of 5 of their starting defensive set up are brand new at the beginning of the season? I'm assuming you mean we need another Gk and a central defender? Across that line there is: Smith, Collins, Edwards, Souttar, Lindsay, Batth, Shawcross, Indi, Fox, Tymon, with Davies now as the only senior keeper. Unless we are able to move on at least Indi and/or Lindsay, I can't see us going for another central defender other than back in for Chester. We do likely need another keeper unless Bursik is now ready for a number two spot after half a season in the league below. Yes. How could it do worse? The defence that finished the season is woeful. The defence that played in the last three games was very good - all it took was to put in a goalkeeper the defence trusted and you could see their confidence return. More than anything else we need continuity this season - not yet more drastic squad over hauls and yet another awful starts to the season as the first team work out what they are doing. We were in play off form at the end of the season - we need to tweak what we've got and keep the momentum going not kill it stone dead by making wholesale changes.
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 8, 2020 8:51:45 GMT
Have we written him off as rubbish yet?
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 8, 2020 9:01:30 GMT
Just been on U Tube and watched our game v Sheffield We’d. Hard to tell from that but we must trust in MON’s judgement. He did a skilful back heel to score their first goal.
Big mistake watching it. It reminded me of how much I have missed going to the game. ⚓️
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 8, 2020 9:08:00 GMT
Sounds he got a lot of abuse at Wednesday and ended up giving the crowd the two fingers which didn't endear him to the fans. Well he's fucked here then with the miserable fuckers we've got
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Post by tachyon on Aug 8, 2020 9:12:14 GMT
The numbers have looked at him & they quite like him.
Solid defensive contribution.
One of the more adventurous FB's going forward. Mostly gains ground passing, so he's also at the high end for turning possession over. Linked well with SW's midfield, lots of short stuff to Bannan & Harris. Also Fletcher featured prominently as a target.
Not a prolific ball carrier and doesn't eat up the ground going off on dangerous runs. But rarely gets dispossessed.
OK goal threat for his position. Has got on the end of one xG's worth of chances every 25 or so games & created one expected assists every 12.
85% of the 52 shots he's taken at goal since 2014/15 have been with his left. So he's very left footed. 16 headed attempts at goal in that time is a bonus.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 8, 2020 9:21:37 GMT
Have we written him off as rubbish yet? Three pages ago mate. SCHOLES OUT!
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Post by zerps on Aug 8, 2020 9:29:56 GMT
He’s fucking wank. Close the thread.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2020 9:44:47 GMT
The numbers have looked at him & they quite like him. Solid defensive contribution. One of the more adventurous FB's going forward. Mostly gains ground passing, so he's also at the high end for turning possession over. Linked well with SW's midfield, lots of short stuff to Bannan & Harris. Also Fletcher featured prominently as a target. Not a prolific ball carrier and doesn't eat up the ground going off on dangerous runs. But rarely gets dispossessed. OK goal threat for his position. Has got on the end of one xG's worth of chances every 25 or so games & created one expected assists every 12. 85% of the 52 shots he's taken at goal since 2014/15 have been with his left. So he's very left footed. 16 headed attempts at goal in that time is a bonus. How many errors? That's been the issue at the back for donkeys. Obviously no player is error free.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2020 9:57:25 GMT
Sounds he got a lot of abuse at Wednesday and ended up giving the crowd the two fingers which didn't endear him to the fans. So the crowd can dish it out but can't take it - what a lot of brave, little soldiers Same with our lot tbf.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2020 9:59:39 GMT
Just been speaking to an Owls fan. He said he was rubbish but then had a really good season. Thats pretty much all I know about him, not an easy one to judge until he's played for a while, pros left back, youngish, cons sloooooooooooooow.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 10:40:36 GMT
Yes. How could it do worse? The defence that finished the season is woeful. The defence that played in the last three games was very good - all it took was to put in a goalkeeper the defence trusted and you could see their confidence return. More than anything else we need continuity this season - not yet more drastic squad over hauls and yet another awful starts to the season as the first team work out what they are doing. We were in play off form at the end of the season - we need to tweak what we've got and keep the momentum going not kill it stone dead by making wholesale changes. The first half against Brizzle they looked awful. And against Forest we should have been 2 down. They didn’t change at all. Davies Smith Baath Chester Indi and Cousins need changing. I actually think 4 will happen.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 8, 2020 10:47:11 GMT
So the crowd can dish it out but can't take it - what a lot of brave, little soldiers Same with our lot tbf. On the scale of "fan-winding-upness", how does the two-finger salute compare to ear-cupping or shushing? And we all know how well that went down with Stoke fans, don't we?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2020 10:48:49 GMT
The defence that played in the last three games was very good - all it took was to put in a goalkeeper the defence trusted and you could see their confidence return. More than anything else we need continuity this season - not yet more drastic squad over hauls and yet another awful starts to the season as the first team work out what they are doing. We were in play off form at the end of the season - we need to tweak what we've got and keep the momentum going not kill it stone dead by making wholesale changes. The first half against Brizzle they looked awful. And against Forest we should have been 2 down. They didn’t change at all. Davies Smith Baath Chester Indi and Cousins need changing. I actually think 4 will happen. You think 4 out of 5 will change? I'm not convinced, its needed but I can see Batth and Smith staying in and maybe add Davies too if MON thought he did enough, 4 seems ambitious.
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Post by tachyon on Aug 8, 2020 10:50:04 GMT
[/quote]How many errors? That's been the issue at the back for donkeys. Obviously no player is error free.[/quote]
We don't count errors as such. We look at where on the pitch a player loses out (missed tackle, dispossessed, beaten in the air etc) and quantify how much trouble that event puts his side in. In short, we look at how likely a side is to score from the incomplete action of a player.
Fox was top third of Wednesday players, no alarm bells compared to the rest of the league.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 10:54:42 GMT
The first half against Brizzle they looked awful. And against Forest we should have been 2 down. They didn’t change at all. Davies Smith Baath Chester Indi and Cousins need changing. I actually think 4 will happen. You think 4 out of 5 will change? I'm not convinced, its needed but I can see Batth and Smith staying in and maybe add Davies too if MON thought he did enough, 4 seems ambitious. 4 out of the 6 there. 3 of the back 5. I think Smith and Baath will be in yeah. Joy of fucking joys 😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2020 11:02:44 GMT
You think 4 out of 5 will change? I'm not convinced, its needed but I can see Batth and Smith staying in and maybe add Davies too if MON thought he did enough, 4 seems ambitious. 4 out of the 6 there. 3 of the back 5. I think Smith and Baath will be in yeah. Joy of fucking joys 😂 Ahh fair enough sorry, I'd be happy to see all change but I won't be too disapointed to see Smith still in there, I think he's decent enough but then I don't think our aim is promotion any more, so decent will do, not until we've got rid of all the crap hanging around in the squad anyway.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2020 11:03:05 GMT
He gives my username a new lease of life.
And for that reason I’m in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 11:05:21 GMT
He gives my username a new lease of life. And for that reason I’m in. Surely a bit of vapour rub would do the same?
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 8, 2020 11:05:39 GMT
1 of the back 5 changed. I expect 2 more. I’m hoping for 4 more , none we have are good enough 😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 11:06:42 GMT
4 out of the 6 there. 3 of the back 5. I think Smith and Baath will be in yeah. Joy of fucking joys 😂 Ahh fair enough sorry, I'd be happy to see all change but I won't be too disapointed to see Smith still in there, I think he's decent enough but then I don't think our aim is promotion any more, so decent will do, not until we've got rid of all the crap hanging around in the squad anyway. He just makes too many mistakes for me, made all the more hilarious because it’s the same one (being done at the back stick) Edwards does but the experienced pro can get away with it 😂😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2020 11:07:54 GMT
Ahh fair enough sorry, I'd be happy to see all change but I won't be too disapointed to see Smith still in there, I think he's decent enough but then I don't think our aim is promotion any more, so decent will do, not until we've got rid of all the crap hanging around in the squad anyway. He just makes too many mistakes for me, made all the more hilarious because it’s the same one (being done at the back stick) Edwards does but the experienced pro can get away with it 😂😂 I don't think there's much difference between them tbh, apart from attitude maybe, solid midtable champ fodder.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 11:10:30 GMT
He just makes too many mistakes for me, made all the more hilarious because it’s the same one (being done at the back stick) Edwards does but the experienced pro can get away with it 😂😂 I don't think there's much difference between them tbh, apart from attitude maybe, solid midtable champ fodder. I’d go with that.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2020 11:12:31 GMT
He gives my username a new lease of life. And for that reason I’m in. Surely a bit of vapour rub would do the same? True. I was briefly en vogue when Foxy’s deep heat shenanigans were in the news.
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 8, 2020 11:27:47 GMT
I dont get this trust MON stuff. His signings have been nothing short of shite to be honest
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 11:29:17 GMT
4 out of the 6 there. 3 of the back 5. I think Smith and Baath will be in yeah. Joy of fucking joys 😂 Ahh fair enough sorry, I'd be happy to see all change but I won't be too disapointed to see Smith still in there, I think he's decent enough but then I don't think our aim is promotion any more, so decent will do, not until we've got rid of all the crap hanging around in the squad anyway. O'Neill is definitely looking at promotion - the thing is he's going to do it by getting the best out of what he's got rather than try to buy himself out of the league - which he can't do anyway because of FFP and a curtailed transfer window. Calls for changing 5 or more of the first team are completely misplaced. The problem isn't the quality of the players - we have a decent Championship quality squad - it is the the fact that those players haven't lived up to their potential and we haven't gelled as a team. O'Neill saved us from relegation and got us performing at playoff standard by getting the players to live up to their potential and functioning as a team. We've already recruited a left back - which is the one position we simply had to fill - and I genuinely think all we will now see is a couple of squad players - depending on decisions on/by BMI, Chester and Afobe - and a backup rightback to challenge Smith.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 8, 2020 11:34:14 GMT
I dont get this trust MON stuff. His signings have been nothing short of shite to be honest Yes I know what you mean, Chester, everyone thought it was a good solid signing at the time, Oakley Booth one for the future that that could go either way and Thompson who doesn't look upto the championship, yes don't trust the man after all he hasn't done much since he's been here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 11:36:35 GMT
Ahh fair enough sorry, I'd be happy to see all change but I won't be too disapointed to see Smith still in there, I think he's decent enough but then I don't think our aim is promotion any more, so decent will do, not until we've got rid of all the crap hanging around in the squad anyway. O'Neill is definitely looking at promotion - the thing is he's going to do it by getting the best out of what he's got rather than try to buy himself out of the league - which he can't do anyway because of FFP and a curtailed transfer window. Calls for changing 5 or more of the first team are completely misplaced. The problem isn't the quality of the players - we have a decent Championship quality squad - it is the the fact that those players haven't lived up to their potential and we haven't gelled as a team. O'Neill saved us from relegation and got us performing at playoff standard by getting the players to live up to their potential and functioning as a team. We've already recruited a left back - which is the one position we simply had to fill - and I genuinely think all we will now see is a couple of squad players - depending on decisions on/by BMI, Chester and Afobe - and a backup rightback to challenge Smith. The defence as shown all season is abhorrent.
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Post by stokefc on Aug 8, 2020 11:37:08 GMT
I dont get this trust MON stuff. His signings have been nothing short of shite to be honest That's so ironic given your user name I say give him the benefit of doubt and see he goes
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