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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 23, 2020 10:57:22 GMT
One thing I often see on here and other sites is that clubs need a 20 goal a season striker to be successful.
4 of the top 6 don’t have one, including both promoted sides:
Leeds - Bamford 16 WBA - Austin/Robson-Kanu 10 Brentford - Watkins 25 Fulham - Mitrovic 26 (totally reliant on him, 40% of all goals) Cardiff - Tomlin/Ward 8 Swansea - Ayew 14
Obviously, you’d love to have one like Watkins in a trio or a partnership but for me that really does highlight if you can share your goals around the team (as we did in 07/08) then you have as much chance as anyway who has a “star striker” at succeeding. It has been pleasing under MON to see the spread of goals throughout the team and it’s something I hope we maintain. I actually think it’s advisable not to have a player like Mitrovic because if he gets crocked what the hell do you do?
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Post by Gods on Jul 23, 2020 11:05:41 GMT
Can you have both, a 20 goal man and half a dozen 6 goals plus men, then you'd be in business?
I've often wondered how mutually exclusive goals are. If you have a 30 goal striker would some of his goals have been scored by your all rounders were he not there?
There's a dissertation in this for someone.
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Post by RF10 on Jul 23, 2020 11:10:53 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season.
Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough.
During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 23, 2020 11:12:57 GMT
There’s a dearth of goalscoring strikers at the moment even at the top level. Football has changed a bit in that respect, 3 forwards who can each chip in with 10-15 goals a season is enough. Similar to Liverpool in that they’re not reliant on one striker, rather three forwards interchangeable.
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Post by noustie on Jul 23, 2020 11:18:39 GMT
Can you have both, a 20 goal man and half a dozen 6 goals plus men, then you'd be in business? I've often wondered how mutually exclusive goals are. If you have a 30 goal striker would some of his goals have been scored by your all rounders were he not there? There's a dissertation in this for someone. It's like Liverpool's front 3 scoring 45 of their PL goals and the highest scoring other players have 4. I'd rather have three players who can score double figures than one whose going get 25 because you're pretty much fucked if they get injured.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 11:22:09 GMT
Campbell over a season based on this season gets 15-20 now surely?
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 23, 2020 11:23:43 GMT
Don’t the Light Blue plague have five or six players on ten or more?
Fifty goals a season and that’s just your mid field!
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 23, 2020 11:24:08 GMT
Watkins looks like a player who is still improving, he will get snapped up by a prem team within next couple of seasons you would think.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 23, 2020 11:25:05 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season.Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough. During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too. Got to be Thorne going back to 2000.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 23, 2020 11:28:08 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season. Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough. During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too. As far as I can tell, the last player to score 20 league goals for us in the second tier was Dennis Violett in 1962/63. Sheron and Bertschin managed over 20 in total but not in the league.
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Post by RF10 on Jul 23, 2020 11:29:45 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season. Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough. During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too. As far as I can tell, the last player to score 20 league goals for us in the second tier was Dennis Violett in 1962/63. Sheron and Bertschin managed 20 in total but not in the league. That's a fair while ago!
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Post by ross1396 on Jul 23, 2020 11:31:00 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season.Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough. During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too. Got to be Thorne going back to 2000. And to back up the original post, didn't we fail to gain promotion with Thorne (who may I add is still my hero to this day) Then the season after his transfer gain promotion with iwelumo as top scorer with around 12 goals?
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Post by Gods on Jul 23, 2020 11:33:22 GMT
I can't recall last time we had a striker who scored over 20 goals in a season. Goal need to come all over the pitch. The only players this season who have scored there fair fair for me are Clucas and Campbell. Baath has chipped in with a few vital ones last few games but overall not enough. During our promotion year. Shawcross and Cort scored regually, then you had Cresswell and Lawrence both in double figures too. I think Robert Huth is about 6th in our all time Prem scorers table. He doubled up as line man for Rorys long throws and he used to blast a few free kicks low and hard through the defensive wall.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 23, 2020 11:35:05 GMT
Got to be Thorne going back to 2000. And to back up the original post, didn't we fail to gain promotion with Thorne (who may I add is still my hero to this day) Then the season after his transfer gain promotion with iwelumo as top scorer with around 12 goals? He scored 24 in 1999/2000, 16 in 2000/2001 and the. yeah we went up with Big Chris scoring just 10 in the league. Cooke got 9.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 23, 2020 11:49:44 GMT
Got to be Thorne going back to 2000. And to back up the original post, didn't we fail to gain promotion with Thorne (who may I add is still my hero to this day) Then the season after his transfer gain promotion with iwelumo as top scorer with around 12 goals? Only 3 words needed for the 99/00 season. Rob fucking Styles.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 23, 2020 11:53:46 GMT
We just need more players to chip in with 10+ goals a season.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 23, 2020 11:55:10 GMT
Campbell over a season based on this season gets 15-20 now surely? You would certainly back him to do so over a season, playing off a number 9 would definitely help his chances.
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Post by markby on Jul 23, 2020 12:16:14 GMT
One thing I often see on here and other sites is that clubs need a 20 goal a season striker to be successful. Brentford - Watkins 25 Obviously, you’d love to have one like Watkins in a trio or a partnership but for me that really does highlight if you can share your goals around the team (as we did in 07/08) then you have as much chance as anyway who has a “star striker” at succeeding. Not disputing your overall point, but if you took Watkins' 25 goals away completely, Brentford would still have scored more goals than 6 other teams and been within 5 goals (or fewer) of another 8 teams.
I'm not quite sure what that says, mind!
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Post by lagwafis on Jul 23, 2020 12:20:40 GMT
And to back up the original post, didn't we fail to gain promotion with Thorne (who may I add is still my hero to this day) Then the season after his transfer gain promotion with iwelumo as top scorer with around 12 goals? He scored 24 in 1999/2000, 16 in 2000/2001 and the. yeah we went up with Big Chris scoring just 10 in the league. Cooke got 9. We had the best defence in the league that year, letting in just 40. Funnily enough we also scored one more goal than Brighton who went up as Champions and had Bobby Zamora getting the majority of their goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:24:32 GMT
Our goals scored this season compared pretty favourably with anyone outside the top 3. Our goals conceded is what's done for us. 62 goals sounds a lot but we've managed it without any of our players being prolific (Clucas aside maybe).
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 23, 2020 12:26:30 GMT
Campbell over a season based on this season gets 15-20 now surely? Comfortably.
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Post by Widget123 on Jul 23, 2020 12:30:10 GMT
We just need more players to chip in with 10+ goals a season. And even if they don't reach 10 - the lack of goals over the last four seasons from defenders has been in stark contrast to most of our prem years where centre backs were chipping in once in a while which took the pressure off the strikers a bit. I don't think its a huge co-incidence that the last few games have been better with Batth getting on the score sheet. We also look more dangerous from set pieces again after three/four years of them being mostly a waste of time for us.
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Post by walrus on Jul 23, 2020 12:31:26 GMT
Danny Batth will score 20 next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:39:11 GMT
Campbell over a season based on this season gets 15-20 now surely? You would hope so, but does O'Neill trust him to play 46?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 12:41:21 GMT
Campbell over a season based on this season gets 15-20 now surely? You would hope so, but does O'Neill trust him to play 46? He’s silly if he doesn’t. I don’t think he should be starting 46 games mind but at least 35 with the rest from the bench. Fitness pending.
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Post by noustie on Jul 23, 2020 12:45:12 GMT
And to back up the original post, didn't we fail to gain promotion with Thorne (who may I add is still my hero to this day) Then the season after his transfer gain promotion with iwelumo as top scorer with around 12 goals? He scored 24 in 1999/2000, 16 in 2000/2001 and the. yeah we went up with Big Chris scoring just 10 in the league. Cooke got 9. Andy Cooke used to annoy the absolute sh!t out of me – the amount of times Bjarni would wand a ball to the back post only for nobody to be there was ridiculous. Crowd would give him pelters along with Cooke who had made his customary run three yards beyond the front post screaming for it. Anytime someone decided to actually cross it for his customary 3 yards in front of the front post run he would head it 3 yards wide then hold his head like it was a surprise.
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Post by noustie on Jul 23, 2020 12:59:35 GMT
He scored 24 in 1999/2000, 16 in 2000/2001 and the. yeah we went up with Big Chris scoring just 10 in the league. Cooke got 9. We had the best defence in the league that year, letting in just 40. Funnily enough we also scored one more goal than Brighton who went up as Champions and had Bobby Zamora getting the majority of their goals. It's mind bending how we got to 67 goals that season with Iwelumo on 10; Cooke on 9; Goodfellow and Gunnarsson on 5 and then; own goals joint 4th with 4. Our almost ever present centre backs of Sergi and Handyside scored 2 between them.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 23, 2020 13:12:39 GMT
Got to get ya 2 centre backs taking charge, like what huth did. Baath, warming upto it now. Need to get midfield firing, clucas our top scorer and more importantly get the wingers firing, mclean doing well and well let's just leave it at tom ince shall we
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 23, 2020 13:41:48 GMT
You would hope so, but does O'Neill trust him to play 46? He’s silly if he doesn’t. I don’t think he should be starting 46 games mind but at least 35 with the rest from the bench. Fitness pending. He should be a regular for us given he's the most natural goal scorer in the squad but as you said fitness is a big issue - for his age he's shockingly unfit for a pro footballer and is usually shot after 60 mins. If he sorts his fitness out O'Neill would't have any choice but to play him - but until then he isn't going to be a first team regular for good reason.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 13:43:10 GMT
Win all 46 games 1-0. 23 man squad, all score 2 goals each. lol.
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