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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 22, 2020 21:05:33 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday, Wigan and Derby all facing a minimum of 12 points which could see Charlton and Barnsley survive or will they bottle it and defer the decision until next season, maybe deduct the points off next seasons total? Gouranga.
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Post by femark on Jul 22, 2020 21:06:09 GMT
Wigan have already been docked 12 points by the EFL
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Post by datguy on Jul 22, 2020 21:07:21 GMT
BBC have Wigan on 47 points at the moment. So I'd imagine yes.
It's incredibly harsh on Wigan and their fans. But they have broken the rules. EFL would be even bigger muppets if they don't deduct the points.
Tick tock Sheffield Wednesday and Derby...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 21:08:52 GMT
Not a case of having the balls is a case of the circumstances warranting it. Wigan have been relegated and are further hearings on Sheff Weds and Derby which look like will run into next season.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 22, 2020 21:10:10 GMT
BBC have Wigan on 47 points at the moment. So I'd imagine yes. It's incredibly harsh on Wigan and their fans. But they have broken the rules. EFL would be even bigger muppets if they don't deduct the points. The BBC are wrong. The points have already been deducted.
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Post by datguy on Jul 22, 2020 21:12:00 GMT
BBC have Wigan on 47 points at the moment. So I'd imagine yes. It's incredibly harsh on Wigan and their fans. But they have broken the rules. EFL would be even bigger muppets if they don't deduct the points. The BBC are wrong. The points have already been deducted. BBC have them on deducted points as well!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 22, 2020 21:18:35 GMT
It could mean that we finish 14th in a season where for most of the time there was not just squeaky bums but skiddy bums. Gouranga.
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Post by ed5993 on Jul 22, 2020 21:25:21 GMT
I wouldn't be suprised if Wigan's appeal succeeds. The whole restart and conclusion of the season has been a bit of a joke, as even with all fixtures completed we are no clearer as who is for the drop.
No dates in place for the start of next season, but speculated to be as short as 5 weeks away... and another week before Wigan's appeal is even heard... how are clubs expected to make sound financial decisions if they don't know what league they'll be in.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 22, 2020 21:31:10 GMT
BBC have Wigan on 47 points at the moment. So I'd imagine yes. It's incredibly harsh on Wigan and their fans. But they have broken the rules. EFL would be even bigger muppets if they don't deduct the points. Tick tock Sheffield Wednesday and Derby... How have Wednesdsy cheated the system though? No rule against selling stadiums.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 22, 2020 21:41:41 GMT
BBC have Wigan on 47 points at the moment. So I'd imagine yes. It's incredibly harsh on Wigan and their fans. But they have broken the rules. EFL would be even bigger muppets if they don't deduct the points. Tick tock Sheffield Wednesday and Derby... How have Wednesdsy cheated the system though? No rule against selling stadiums. But there are rules about how you report them in your accounts and the charge is how they reported the sale not the sale itself
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 22, 2020 21:49:47 GMT
How have Wednesdsy cheated the system though? No rule against selling stadiums. But there are rules about how you report them in your accounts and the charge is how they reported the sale not the sale itself Didn't they value it at 40 million the previous season then sell it for 80 the next or was that Derby anyway both have been shady but I think Wednesday tried to hide it through fraudulent means so they could be hit with 2 lots of points deductions if found guilty.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 22, 2020 21:55:43 GMT
I feel sorry for their decent players.
Is there any we can help stay in the division by signing them?
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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 22, 2020 22:13:19 GMT
I cant see how wigan can win the appeal , it was reported that wigan had the money to pay all the Bill's and staff before covid-19 but didn't, so blaming covid-19 is not a valid reason that's why they have been docked the points
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 22:17:50 GMT
I cant see how wigan can win the appeal , it was reported that wigan had the money to pay all the Bill's and staff before covid-19 but didn't, so blaming covid-19 is not a valid reason that's why they have been docked the points Absolutely Money was there and was an EFL statement that Covid didn't come into play
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 0:01:08 GMT
Hopefully now any sanction will be next season 😂
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Jul 23, 2020 0:11:31 GMT
F*ck Wigan. Well done the Tykes.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jul 23, 2020 5:17:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 6:22:15 GMT
I've got really strange feelings about Wigan. Obviously glad it's not us in this position, am worried about how the EFL would deal with us if we ever found ourselves in this position but the overriding feeling for them is devastation for their manager, players and loyal supporters. I know they get pelters about being a Rugby town, their gates aren't the highest but the core of their support, however big, is just the same as us. They'll have the same feelings we would in that situation.
Their players have been immense for them pretty much since the turn of the year and for reasons out of their control they find themselves in League One.
It must be one hell of an awful feeling now and they must be worried as hell as to where they are going to end up.
The last thought, and perhaps a naughty one, is going back to the old days in the third division where they allegedly employed players through the books of the Rugby club to bypass the wage restriction that was in place at the time. Some sort of twisted karma?
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Post by lowlands on Jul 23, 2020 11:52:37 GMT
If Sheff Wed and Derby are as equally as guilty as Wigan which means 12 points deduction then that should happen now so Charlton can prepare for next season in The Championship, why should Charlton be relegated if other teams have broken the rules which if so results in a 12 point deduction.
Simply the FA should get on with it and lets move on from what has been possibly the weirdest season ever
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2020 12:00:52 GMT
If Sheff Wed and Derby are as equally as guilty as Wigan which means 12 points deduction then that should happen now so Charlton can prepare for next season in The Championship, why should Charlton be relegated if other teams have broken the rules which if so results in a 12 point deduction. Simply the FA should get on with it and lets move on from what has been possibly the weirdest season ever Different offences to Wigan
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 23, 2020 12:02:58 GMT
If Sheff Wed and Derby are as equally as guilty as Wigan which means 12 points deduction then that should happen now so Charlton can prepare for next season in The Championship, why should Charlton be relegated if other teams have broken the rules which if so results in a 12 point deduction. Simply the FA should get on with it and lets move on from what has been possibly the weirdest season ever Derby & Sheff Weds are different to Wigan. Wigan went into Administration, Derby & Sheff Weds didn't.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 23, 2020 12:18:12 GMT
What happens if and yes a big if Wigan win their appeal on the 31st?
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 23, 2020 12:22:30 GMT
What happens if and yes a big if Wigan win their appeal on the 31st? They don't get relegated and Barnsley do.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 23, 2020 12:25:17 GMT
What happens if and yes a big if Wigan win their appeal on the 31st? a lot of lawyers will get very rich!
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 23, 2020 13:17:32 GMT
Efl are shaking like a shitting dog. They stand to get it from all angles, for me you break the rules you pay the price. Bet we wouldn't get let off if it was us. Hope wedsand derby get everything thrown at them,but I have a feeling the spineless efl will throw the fine and a minimal points deduction. If ever there was a time to really make a stand regarding the seriousness of ffp it's now, especially with the repercussions but efl will be in court for the next decade
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 23, 2020 13:25:48 GMT
The real issue for me is that the people who should be punished rarely are, at least not in a meaningful way.
I've no love for Wigan (purely based on my jealousy of them winning the FA Cup!) and I admire how their players have responded pre and post administration.
However, docking the points penalises the fans and the players most of all, and in this case relegates a club who will probably now sell players which will further diminish the club itself. Meanwhile, the owners just wander off whistling quietly.
I don't know the full ins and outs, perhaps Malcolm Clarke will advise, but are prospective new owners required to provide some form of surety before taking control? A bond, a 'deposit', call it whatever you like which could be used to at least get the club through the season and prevent this kind of event?
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Post by salopstick on Jul 23, 2020 20:05:47 GMT
There is no right or easy answer to this.
One suggestion I read was that all points deductions should start from the beginning of the following season for all administration and financial irregularities
That way the table stays as it is and promotion and relegation is done by the players over a season on the pitch.
Any appeals carry into the next season so doesn’t affect other clubs and fixture planning etc.
So Wigan might have survived this year but would correctly start on -12 next year. Barnsley would feel hard done by but they did get relegated by their own doings.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 24, 2020 7:01:34 GMT
I'm against points deductions. Only really punishes the fans.
Especially at this time. You completely cease a club's revenue stream, then punish them when they go bust? We've lost our marbles!
The table as it stands is false. We finished 16th. Wigan finished mid table. Barnsley should have been relegated. The table should be about football results, not business decisions.
I feel very sorry for Wigan and their fans.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 24, 2020 7:09:20 GMT
Do we get position dependent prize money in this league? All these points deductions might net us some extra cash.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 24, 2020 8:06:58 GMT
Do we get position dependent prize money in this league? All these points deductions might net us some extra cash. I don't think so, but if you do in this league, it will be about £25.
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