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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2021 10:29:22 GMT
We have to aim for the play offs or what’s the point else? Potentially to set solid foundations for the following season and years to come. As a club, when was the last time the youth set up was being used as much as it is now? Negative nonsense sorry. It’s being under used still. Yesterday for example was a farce. Forrester only in because of injuries and one of the ones “only on the bench because of injuries” ie you’re not good enough. He showed the manager he was wrong.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 9, 2021 10:34:20 GMT
I think it's going to be tough , so much depends on getting players out . Also no guarantee Campbell will be fit . I'd settle for mid table with some hope we can rebuild once the majority of the wasters are gone in 2022.
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Post by nonameface on May 9, 2021 10:49:54 GMT
Potentially to set solid foundations for the following season and years to come. As a club, when was the last time the youth set up was being used as much as it is now? Negative nonsense sorry. It’s being under used still. Yesterday for example was a farce. Forrester only in because of injuries and one of the ones “only on the bench because of injuries” ie you’re not good enough. He showed the manager he was wrong. It would be great to see it being used more, but, surely we need to give some credit, when was the last time it was used as much as this? Some coaches end up playing more experienced players out of position than bring through a youth player. Which academy players do you see as capable of impacting the first 11?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:31:10 GMT
It will tear up the fanbase, but next season is really only the point before season 22-23 and onwards, where we will likely between 10-20 current players short, though I think a few of those on expiring contracts will still be kept on. The manager is well aware of this conumdrum, but he'll be torn between building for the time, when the majority is gone, and personal pride, which dictates that he must use the best players available in order to achieve a respectable position which is at least five above what is the 14th.
His job remains one of the most secure jobs in business, if not the safest. Even Pep, Klopp or Tuchel could be out of a job, if they win 5 in 30, but MON's safe. It will be 22-23 or even later, before the board's critical eye focuses on him.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:41:06 GMT
Negative nonsense sorry. It’s being under used still. Yesterday for example was a farce. Forrester only in because of injuries and one of the ones “only on the bench because of injuries” ie you’re not good enough. He showed the manager he was wrong. It would be great to see it being used more, but, surely we need to give some credit, when was the last time it was used as much as this? Some coaches end up playing more experienced players out of position than bring through a youth player. That is EXACTLy what MON does too. When there was a position available in central defence, he played Fox and then RND, who are both fullbacks. He waited till it was the last day of the season before actually using a designated defender.
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Post by yyy on May 9, 2021 11:45:06 GMT
Anywhere from 15th to top 6 for me next season depending on a few factors, who we can bring in, who we can keep hold of and injuries, it's too early to call
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2021 11:47:21 GMT
Negative nonsense sorry. It’s being under used still. Yesterday for example was a farce. Forrester only in because of injuries and one of the ones “only on the bench because of injuries” ie you’re not good enough. He showed the manager he was wrong. It would be great to see it being used more, but, surely we need to give some credit, when was the last time it was used as much as this? Some coaches end up playing more experienced players out of position than bring through a youth player. Which academy players do you see as capable of impacting the first 11? I don’t think credit should be given for doing the obvious sorry. Bursik Souttar Collins and Campbell should all be starters. Coates and Forrester challenging. I’d like to see one of the midfielders given a shot too tbh. I’d happily say they’re all better than Thompson even now.
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Post by nonameface on May 9, 2021 12:12:21 GMT
It would be great to see it being used more, but, surely we need to give some credit, when was the last time it was used as much as this? Some coaches end up playing more experienced players out of position than bring through a youth player. Which academy players do you see as capable of impacting the first 11? I don’t think credit should be given for doing the obvious sorry. Bursik Souttar Collins and Campbell should all be starters. Coates and Forrester challenging. I’d like to see one of the midfielders given a shot too tbh. I’d happily say they’re all better than Thompson even now. But the obvious hasnt been obvious to previous managers, so some credit should be given.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2021 12:14:43 GMT
I don’t think credit should be given for doing the obvious sorry. Bursik Souttar Collins and Campbell should all be starters. Coates and Forrester challenging. I’d like to see one of the midfielders given a shot too tbh. I’d happily say they’re all better than Thompson even now. But the obvious hasnt been obvious to previous managers, so some credit should be given. Rowett didn’t really have the players bar Edwards. Jones the same really until his first full season. Collins and Campbell were ready then and should have been used. Jones loaning Campbell was 100% the right thing to do as well imo. But I don’t get why he didn’t use him in that second season. It made no sense.
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Post by wearestoke80 on May 9, 2021 12:45:15 GMT
We ain’t getting anywhere near the premier league under MON
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Post by datguy on May 9, 2021 12:45:15 GMT
We have to aim for the play offs or what’s the point else? Every season: this. Waste of time if you're not aiming for it.
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Post by kustokie on May 9, 2021 12:56:55 GMT
It all depends on finding a way to keep Souttar, Collins, Campbell and Powell and still avoid FFP penalties. Losing any one of those will be a big problem because we’ll never replace like for like. That also assumes Campbell and Collins make full recoveries.
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Post by bingbang on May 9, 2021 13:09:54 GMT
More importantly as a club they have got to be more transparent about things behind the scenes. If they don’t I fear they will start to lose fans by the thousands. They will have already lost man, due to the football and the effect COVID will have had on fans decision making regarding safety and not missing going to the match. It was interesting to listen to the x Sheffield Wednesday player talking about his club going down mainly down to mis management behind the scenes, inflated contracts etc. He reckoned as a club they have now lost thousands of fans who have simply had enough. If not careful we could be down to 10 to 15 thousand fans come mid winter. It’s time for the board to step up, regarding the club as a whole, what their plans are, just been past the ground it looks very, very tired, a reflection on what’s happened to our club.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 14:12:25 GMT
But the obvious hasnt been obvious to previous managers, so some credit should be given. Rowett didn’t really have the players bar Edwards. Jones the same really until his first full season. Collins and Campbell were ready then and should have been used. Jones loaning Campbell was 100% the right thing to do as well imo. But I don’t get why he didn’t use him in that second season. It made no sense. He thought he knew better.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 14:15:20 GMT
We have to aim for the play offs or what’s the point else? Every season: this. Waste of time if you're not aiming for it. Prepare yourself for a lot of boredom. We're too good to go down; we're nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion, let alone get promoted. We'll look to beat our own record of cleen sheets and also set a new record for no score matches. I kid you not.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 9, 2021 15:28:59 GMT
I think it’s realistic to once again expect a play off push as a minimum requirement
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 9, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
I think it’s realistic to once again expect a play off push as a minimum requirement I think the manager is playing a cute game he is leading with FFP front and Square in effect saying aspirations need to be low And it’s not my fault it’s what’s gone before Be interesting to see if next season is worse than this how Scholes and the owners who clearly he is the gateway too feel about that . It’s a clever way of positioning Hughes “ who else “And Rowett’S “You’ve no idea how bad it “is in here and Jones “it’s toxic “ while appearing to be very straight it’s both straight and clever deflection .
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 9, 2021 16:49:21 GMT
I think it’s realistic to once again expect a play off push as a minimum requirement I think the manager is playing a cute game he is leading with FFP front and Square in effect saying aspirations need to be low And it’s not my fault it’s what’s gone before Be interesting to see if next season is worse than this how Scholes and the owners who clearly he is the gateway too feel about that . It’s a clever way of positioning Hughes “ who else “And Rowett’S “You’ve no idea how bad it “is in here and Jones “it’s toxic “ while appearing to be very straight it’s both straight and clever deflection . I honestly believe in the Championship that every single club should be aiming for promotion. You’ve only got to witness Barnsley’s rise this season. Staying relatively injury free along with a positive game plan is the recipe for success in this league. We’ve had neither this season and we’re only going to get one of those two next season if we’re fortunate.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 17:09:26 GMT
Aim for 6th, expect 10th. It’ll be very interesting to see who we have left after this window.
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Post by Ron on May 9, 2021 17:39:21 GMT
Playoffs. Fully fit squad with the right additions and we will be up there- as we would have been this season had Campbell, Fletcher, Allen , Collins, Fox, Clucas been FULLY fit throughout the season. I like your optimism. 1) any idea how we fund the “right additions”. 2) of the people you mention as being fully fit, you are placing an awful lot of faith in Campbell continuing a scoring streak that Tachyon has already pointed out is unlikely ( not impossible)- we don’t even know if Campbell will ever be fit? 3)Allen and Clucas have been with us during our time in the Championship and between them have possibly dominated 20 games out of 3 seasons- they are not suddenly going to become a creative , dominant force in the Championship. 4) Fletcher needs us to create a lot more chances as he’s not particularly clinical in front of goal, he’ll be another year older and certainly no more robust than this year. Doughty may be the ace in the pack, I don’t know, but realistically mid table, no relegation scrapes, and probably continuing development of the younger players with some genuine attacking performances is a more likely scenario. im normally as pessimistic as you but I genuinely think that we have the nucleus of a side that should be knocking on top 6 door really. Players are out there- other sides with similar or even lesser budgets seem to find them. Why shouldn’t we? The loan market too is absolutely key.
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Post by wilcopotter on May 9, 2021 20:47:49 GMT
Just take a look at Sunderland’s result and team today and hope that doesn’t happen to us. With MON, don’t think it will, end of.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 9, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
I think the manager is playing a cute game he is leading with FFP front and Square in effect saying aspirations need to be low And it’s not my fault it’s what’s gone before Be interesting to see if next season is worse than this how Scholes and the owners who clearly he is the gateway too feel about that . It’s a clever way of positioning Hughes “ who else “And Rowett’S “You’ve no idea how bad it “is in here and Jones “it’s toxic “ while appearing to be very straight it’s both straight and clever deflection . I honestly believe in the Championship that every single club should be aiming for promotion. You’ve only got to witness Barnsley’s rise this season. Staying relatively injury free along with a positive game plan is the recipe for success in this league. We’ve had neither this season and we’re only going to get one of those two next season if we’re fortunate. I don’t disagree on the aim but realistically from a fans view we know our whole recruitment strategy and culture and squad is miles off that required to create a fluid attacking force in this league .
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Post by kustokie on May 9, 2021 21:38:10 GMT
I honestly believe in the Championship that every single club should be aiming for promotion. You’ve only got to witness Barnsley’s rise this season. Staying relatively injury free along with a positive game plan is the recipe for success in this league. We’ve had neither this season and we’re only going to get one of those two next season if we’re fortunate. I don’t disagree on the aim but realistically from a fans view we know our whole recruitment strategy and culture and squad is miles off that required to create a fluid attacking force in this league . This is a remarkably lucid and well constructed argument, in total contrast to the one you posted four hours ago, which was completely incomprehensible.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 9, 2021 21:58:09 GMT
I don’t disagree on the aim but realistically from a fans view we know our whole recruitment strategy and culture and squad is miles off that required to create a fluid attacking force in this league . This is a remarkably lucid and well constructed argument, in total contrast to the one you posted four hours ago, which was completely incomprehensible. I’m putting Benji on my latest CV as a foreign language
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on May 10, 2021 5:44:02 GMT
Hopefully we can avoid relegation again.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 8:31:40 GMT
Given that;
B+×÷ard Barnsley comfortably made the Play Offs, given they were a League One side but for a technicality at the start of the season.
F*&^ing Reading were in with a sniff of the POs for a good chunk of the season.
MON has had a full season to learn more about the Championship.
We'll have our talisman (that 20yo we have been pinning the hopes of an entire club upon), back from injury.
Then anything less than 'Play Off contention' is failure.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 8:33:12 GMT
People need to put the glue down if they think we can push for the play offs.
We can't even compete in this league.
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Post by stokie1947 on May 10, 2021 8:34:15 GMT
should be at least the play offs but i reckon 8th to 10th
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Post by FullerMagic on May 12, 2021 9:44:59 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2021 10:17:35 GMT
Maybe that is where we actually sit in terms of the numbers in comparison to others, and it's just us looking at our situation more negatively than we should? In respect of this latest news... E I E I E I O....
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