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Butland
Jul 31, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 31, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
Gotta hope Sheff Utd come in for him Surely not. Going from one of the best in the Prem to one of the worst in Champo
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Post by bolders on Jul 31, 2020 18:49:51 GMT
Gotta hope Sheff Utd come in for him Surely not. Going from one of the best in the Prem to one of the worst in Champo They need one, we can lie to them and say it wasn't him its the whole clusterfuck of the situation and he needs to get away to re-capture that form again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:19:06 GMT
I take it he's not in talks over a new contract tying him up until 2025 at Stoke then? He's on holiday.
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Post by FrankButcher on Jul 31, 2020 19:40:05 GMT
If a sides willing to cough up a transfer fee for him and pay his wages I'd get him gone. I'd give Davies the #1 jersey next season.
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Butland
Jul 31, 2020 22:01:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 22:01:29 GMT
Let’s not exaggerate. At the end of the 18/19 season I presented him with the Supporters club player of season, which I think is the largest poll of supporters. It's not a exaggeration, How many votes would it take to win it, a couple of hundred,??. 18/19 was a terrible season and he made plenty of mistakes. McClean would have been a far credible winner Name me 5 mistakes from the 18/19 season. This should be pretty easy as there were so many.
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Butland
Aug 1, 2020 12:01:55 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 1, 2020 12:01:55 GMT
It's not a exaggeration, How many votes would it take to win it, a couple of hundred,??. 18/19 was a terrible season and he made plenty of mistakes. McClean would have been a far credible winner The simple fact is that more supporters voted for him as player of season 2018/19 than any other player. Personally, although I don't think he is quite the player he once was, for whatever reason, I think that on this, as is quite often the case on this Board, there is a lot of hyperbole around. There are also a few amateur sports psychologists around who no doubt have never met him, let alone had an in-depth discussion with him about his form. I'm happy to trust MON's judgement on this, as I am on most other player issues. If he stays I hope that MON gets the best out of him. If he leaves I wish him all the best and thank him for what he's given us. Yes there is a lot of hyperbole about him, statements such as. Our Jack is the best keeper in the prem Our Jack is the best keeper in the championship. England number one. When he gets his move to a top six side or top European club where he deserves to be,. Every standard save is quoted as a world class save. He was great before his injury, Etc etc. He needs to be got rid of.. One of the main reason we where relugated, Lambert, Rowlett losing there jobs and Jones as well. Always been overrated
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 1, 2020 12:10:13 GMT
It's not a exaggeration, How many votes would it take to win it, a couple of hundred,??. 18/19 was a terrible season and he made plenty of mistakes. McClean would have been a far credible winner Name me 5 mistakes from the 18/19 season. This should be pretty easy as there were so many. Have a look at 3.1 defeat to Leeds 2. 2 against Preston 3. 0 defeat to Wigan, where there players jog back to the centre circle laughing after one of them had just scored from outside the box. 0. 1 lost to Birmingham breakaway goal. 2. 0 defeat to Birmingham away 2. 0 home defeat to Bristol City Brentford away 3.1. Just a few Plenty of examples Seeing as you think you are top class keeper yourself surely you could tell us his good points
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Butland
Aug 1, 2020 13:21:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 13:21:38 GMT
Name me 5 mistakes from the 18/19 season. This should be pretty easy as there were so many. Have a look at 3.1 defeat to Leeds 2. 2 against Preston 3. 0 defeat to Wigan, where there players jog back to the centre circle laughing after one of them had just scored from outside the box. 0. 1 lost to Birmingham breakaway goal. 2. 0 defeat to Birmingham away 2. 0 home defeat to Bristol City Brentford away 3.1. Just a few Plenty of examples Seeing as you think you are top class keeper yourself surely you could tell us his good points You're memory is worse than my grandads and hes fucking dead. Actually that's unfair on him as you actually just have an agenda. Preston - they score a penalty and from 7 yards out after a player shanks a volley. None of them his fault. Relatively lengthy highlights show no errors. Wigan - they score no goals, not one, from outside the box. The first is from 6 yards out after some awful defending. The defending for the second is even worse. Neither Butlands fault. The third is a penalty. Highlights so show no mistakes from Butland. Birmingham - they score against the run of play from 4 yards out from a great cross. No mistake by Butland nor any shown on the highlights. Birmingham - they score 2 superb goals. There isn't a keeper out there who'd have stopped either. Butland does make 2 or 3 good saves in the highlights. I gave up watching after that as you are clearly mentally unwell.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 1, 2020 13:58:22 GMT
He was terrible last season (along with everyone else). The POTS thing was a bit like when Danny Collins won it for Sunderland, if he has any self-awareness at all I’d imagine he was pretty embarrassed to receive it.
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Post by tachyon on Aug 1, 2020 14:06:37 GMT
JB was an above average keeper in 2018/19.
Based on *every* attempt on goal he faced, he allowed 6 fewer goals compared to an average Championship keeper.
There was only a 10% chance an average keeper would have had a better record than Jack.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 1, 2020 19:42:26 GMT
Vorm has left spurs,i can actually see jack going to a club in the prem as a no.2 anything to be around a top squad again
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Butland
Aug 1, 2020 20:10:26 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 1, 2020 20:10:26 GMT
JB was an above average keeper in 2018/19. Based on *every* attempt on goal he faced, he allowed 6 fewer goals compared to an average Championship keeper. There was only a 10% chance an average keeper would have had a better record than Jack. Davis is better
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 2, 2020 2:11:22 GMT
JB was an above average keeper in 2018/19. Based on *every* attempt on goal he faced, he allowed 6 fewer goals compared to an average Championship keeper. There was only a 10% chance an average keeper would have had a better record than Jack. Davis is better And that says a LOT more about Butland than it does about Davies
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Post by tachyon on Aug 2, 2020 6:54:50 GMT
JB was an above average keeper in 2018/19. Based on *every* attempt on goal he faced, he allowed 6 fewer goals compared to an average Championship keeper. There was only a 10% chance an average keeper would have had a better record than Jack. Davis is better AD conceded 2 fewer goals than an average keeper might in 2016/17 for Barnsley. He then conceded 7 more than an average keeper in 2017/18. Did well down a division in 2018/19 and conceded one fewer goal than an average keeper in very limited action this season.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 2, 2020 6:59:39 GMT
Vorm has left spurs,i can actually see jack going to a club in the prem as a no.2 anything to be around a top squad again Vorm was Spurs number 3 behind Gazzaniga
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 2, 2020 7:46:37 GMT
Have a look at 3.1 defeat to Leeds 2. 2 against Preston 3. 0 defeat to Wigan, where there players jog back to the centre circle laughing after one of them had just scored from outside the box. 0. 1 lost to Birmingham breakaway goal. 2. 0 defeat to Birmingham away 2. 0 home defeat to Bristol City Brentford away 3.1. Just a few Plenty of examples Seeing as you think you are top class keeper yourself surely you could tell us his good points You're memory is worse than my grandads and hes fucking dead. Actually that's unfair on him as you actually just have an agenda. Preston - they score a penalty and from 7 yards out after a player shanks a volley. None of them his fault. Relatively lengthy highlights show no errors. Wigan - they score no goals, not one, from outside the box. The first is from 6 yards out after some awful defending. The defending for the second is even worse. Neither Butlands fault. The third is a penalty. Highlights so show no mistakes from Butland. Birmingham - they score against the run of play from 4 yards out from a great cross. No mistake by Butland nor any shown on the highlights. Birmingham - they score 2 superb goals. There isn't a keeper out there who'd have stopped either. Butland does make 2 or 3 good saves in the highlights. I gave up watching after that as you are clearly mentally unwell. He acts like a spoilt tw*t after every single goal here as well. Quickly stopped that the season after didn't you Mr 58.4% shots on target saved!
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Butland
Aug 2, 2020 8:02:56 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 2, 2020 8:02:56 GMT
AD conceded 2 fewer goals than an average keeper might in 2016/17 for Barnsley. He then conceded 7 more than an average keeper in 2017/18. Did well down a division in 2018/19 and conceded one fewer goal than an average keeper in very limited action this season. Missing the point, butland makes far too many piss poor mistakes. Time to give Davis a Chance
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Post by tachyon on Aug 2, 2020 8:40:58 GMT
AD conceded 2 fewer goals than an average keeper might in 2016/17 for Barnsley. He then conceded 7 more than an average keeper in 2017/18. Did well down a division in 2018/19 and conceded one fewer goal than an average keeper in very limited action this season. Missing the point, butland makes far too many piss poor mistakes. Time to give Davis a Chance AD allowing 7 more goals than par in the recent past suggests he's not immune to the odd mistake either.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2020 8:48:29 GMT
Butland has been dreadful this season, Davies took his chance well when given. Davies is NO 1 next season, Butland needs new pastures to find himself again. Hopefully we can get £5M for him, but I really doubt it after the season he has had.
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Butland
Aug 2, 2020 9:04:44 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 2, 2020 9:04:44 GMT
Regarding Why didn't we sell him ? my understanding is two summers ago beswicks were his agents , and were unable to get him a move . In beswicks opinion , because no one wanted him . In butland's opinion because beswicks are a bit rubbish /not high profile enough So butland separated from beswicks and got in a higher profile agent (either wayne Rooney s agent or the agent who secured Wayne Rooney s move to man utd , I forget which ) Anyway with his new high profile agent for last summer ...the same result as with beswicks ... nobody wanted him . But did he get the same ‘benefits’ that Wayne received? Lol! Could explain his dip in form?😜
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Butland
Aug 2, 2020 11:29:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 11:29:53 GMT
Regarding Why didn't we sell him ? my understanding is two summers ago beswicks were his agents , and were unable to get him a move . In beswicks opinion , because no one wanted him . In butland's opinion because beswicks are a bit rubbish /not high profile enough So butland separated from beswicks and got in a higher profile agent (either wayne Rooney s agent or the agent who secured Wayne Rooney s move to man utd , I forget which ) Anyway with his new high profile agent for last summer ...the same result as with beswicks ... nobody wanted him . I understood Butland was not prepared to make a sideways move.....clubs were interested.....but this coupled with the promise of a quick return to the PL was enough for him to stay.
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Butland
Aug 2, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 2, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
Missing the point, butland makes far too many piss poor mistakes. Time to give Davis a Chance AD allowing 7 more goals than par in the recent past suggests he's not immune to the odd mistake either. He’s been better than butland so far, he might be turn out to be shit but butland has had one to many chances now and should be sold
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Butland
Aug 2, 2020 23:11:13 GMT
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Post by oldschool on Aug 2, 2020 23:11:13 GMT
I’ll be honest, ever since butland decided to fuck a routine ball up against Leicester that was going across the goal face, I’ve never looked at Butland the same again!
He’s a shadow of his former self. His sheer presence was worthy of a goal pre-England injury.
I can’t think of consecutive games he has had since, where he’s saved points? Yeah he’s done odd occasions, all keepers will. However for a team trying to stave off relegation / challenge for promotion, he needs to be consistent.
Something has gone, mentally. He can’t be a good keeper for two seasons then lose it.
Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to know who to recover mentally from his injury.
Look at the original Ronaldo. He had pretty much three seasons out. He had to not only recover, but he lost one of his main asserts... pace. Mentally he must of been shot. But he managed to overcome it. I guess that is what separates the greats from run of the mill.
I think Jack has too many demons at Stoke to progress now. If he gets his move, he may rediscover his mojo. However I do think this a long shot and the best he can hope for is a championship career.
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Butland
Aug 3, 2020 9:18:00 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 3, 2020 9:18:00 GMT
Have a look at 3.1 defeat to Leeds 2. 2 against Preston 3. 0 defeat to Wigan, where there players jog back to the centre circle laughing after one of them had just scored from outside the box. 0. 1 lost to Birmingham breakaway goal. 2. 0 defeat to Birmingham away 2. 0 home defeat to Bristol City Brentford away 3.1. Just a few Plenty of examples Seeing as you think you are top class keeper yourself surely you could tell us his good points You're memory is worse than my grandads and hes fucking dead. Actually that's unfair on him as you actually just have an agenda. Preston - they score a penalty and from 7 yards out after a player shanks a volley. None of them his fault. Relatively lengthy highlights show no errors. Wigan - they score no goals, not one, from outside the box. The first is from 6 yards out after some awful defending. The defending for the second is even worse. Neither Butlands fault. The third is a penalty. Highlights so show no mistakes from Butland. Birmingham - they score against the run of play from 4 yards out from a great cross. No mistake by Butland nor any shown on the highlights. Birmingham - they score 2 superb goals. There isn't a keeper out there who'd have stopped either. Butland does make 2 or 3 good saves in the highlights. I gave up watching after that as you are clearly mentally unwell. Put the 3.1 defeat at Preston on. Butland is rubbish. Get yourself a new hero and get over your man crush. You can see why other clubs supporters call Stokies stupid orcs, with supporters like you. Keep throwing stones at the moon.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2020 7:57:29 GMT
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Butland
Aug 4, 2020 8:07:33 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 4, 2020 8:07:33 GMT
Not a chance in hell of that happening in my opinion. He won't take a young family to Turkey.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 4, 2020 8:33:25 GMT
Not a chance in hell of that happening in my opinion. He won't take a young family to Turkey. I don't know Jack - or his wife - but Istanbul is an amazing place to live, despite its many drawbacks (notably the government).
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Butland
Aug 4, 2020 8:47:13 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 4, 2020 8:47:13 GMT
Not a chance in hell of that happening in my opinion. He won't take a young family to Turkey. I don't know Jack - or his wife - but Istanbul is an amazing place to live, despite its many drawbacks (notably the government). I love Turkey and am sure it is as you say to live. I don't see a young man with a 1 year old wanting to go there though. He's a bright lad is Jack and I don't doubt a move abroad may appeal but I can't see Turkey being one that would.
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Butland
Aug 4, 2020 9:36:47 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 4, 2020 9:36:47 GMT
Their last 4 keeper signings have been 2x loans and 2x free’s. They paid Liverpool £2.25m to loan Karius in 18/19.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 9:38:48 GMT
It also says they want Bono but I don’t think U2 need to sell.
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