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Post by gawa on Jul 14, 2020 21:12:38 GMT
In the last 15 years of the championship, by game week 15 only 4 other teams have had 8 points or less. Of those 4 teams, 3 of them finished bottom with points in the 20s. The only exception to the rule is Bolton who survived with 43 points in 17/18; a total which would already see Stoke relegated.
I still see alot of posts on here stating that if Stoke were to be relegated that Michael would be seen as a failure etc.. I think it has to be recognised the magnitude of the task which he has taken on. And considering stats of previous years, it is a remarkable achievement to be sat on 49 points with 3 games to spare.
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Post by samstokie1 on Jul 15, 2020 11:46:43 GMT
considering after 10 games we had 0-2-8 record im amazed at the turnaround. its not been all great but compared to back then its incredible
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Post by ab61 on Jul 15, 2020 11:54:48 GMT
My concern is (not sure if it’s just me) I get the feeling a lot off supporters fancy us to take the 3 points against Bristol. Not really sure why looking at our away form etc !
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 12:00:57 GMT
In the last 15 years of the championship, by game week 15 only 4 other teams have had 8 points or less. Of those 4 teams, 3 of them finished bottom with points in the 20s. The only exception to the rule is Bolton who survived with 43 points in 17/18; a total which would already see Stoke relegated.
I still see alot of posts on here stating that if Stoke were to be relegated that Michael would be seen as a failure etc.. I think it has to be recognised the magnitude of the task which he has taken on. And considering stats of previous years, it is a remarkable achievement to be sat on 49 points with 3 games to spare. Is there? |
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 15, 2020 12:03:57 GMT
MON has done a sterling job, but the mission impossible/remarkable achievement was Nathan taking a squad littered with Championship winners/Premier league experienced players and only mustering up 8 points and only 6 wins from 38 during his tenure.
That's a special kind of disastrous record that is.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 15, 2020 12:22:52 GMT
MON has done a sterling job, but the mission impossible/remarkable achievement was Nathan taking a squad littered with Championship winners/Premier league experienced players and only mustering up 8 points and only 6 wins from 38 during his tenure. That's a special kind of disastrous record that is. Exactly this. O'Neill has done really well but 31 games is a hell of a lot of time to keep us up. Boro only gave Warnock 8 and he's done it. It's more of a damning indictment of the previous manager. The amount of people who fell for his bullshit was astonishing. O'Neill has done extremely well but it's not a miracle despite what previous seasons stats show. We will have lost almost half our fixtures by the time it's over. Only the fact we have very few draws has kept us up. Second most losses in the division. Yet still folk talk of promotion next season , laughable |
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Post by march4 on Jul 15, 2020 12:29:36 GMT
In the last 15 years of the championship, by game week 15 only 4 other teams have had 8 points or less. Of those 4 teams, 3 of them finished bottom with points in the 20s. The only exception to the rule is Bolton who survived with 43 points in 17/18; a total which would already see Stoke relegated. I still see alot of posts on here stating that if Stoke were to be relegated that Michael would be seen as a failure etc.. I think it has to be recognised the magnitude of the task which he has taken on. And considering stats of previous years, it is a remarkable achievement to be sat on 49 points with 3 games to spare. None of those clubs had the most expensive squad in the history of the division full of internationals and Premiership players. Keeping us up should never have been an issue. If MON hadn’t contracted COVID I think we would have been safe last weekend. It disrupted our preparations. |
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Post by datguy on Jul 15, 2020 12:34:04 GMT
In the last 15 years of the championship, by game week 15 only 4 other teams have had 8 points or less. Of those 4 teams, 3 of them finished bottom with points in the 20s. The only exception to the rule is Bolton who survived with 43 points in 17/18; a total which would already see Stoke relegated. I still see alot of posts on here stating that if Stoke were to be relegated that Michael would be seen as a failure etc.. I think it has to be recognised the magnitude of the task which he has taken on. And considering stats of previous years, it is a remarkable achievement to be sat on 49 points with 3 games to spare. None of those clubs had the most expensive squad in the history of the division full of internationals and Premiership players. Keeping us up should never have been an issue. If MON hadn’t contracted COVID I think we would have been safe last weekend. It disrupted our preparations. If a global pandemic didn't break out we would've been safe 2 matches post-Hull 5-1... I have no doubt we would've taken Reading, Boro and Wigan. We're finally getting back to looking as we did then. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 15, 2020 12:57:17 GMT
None of those clubs had the most expensive squad in the history of the division full of internationals and Premiership players. Keeping us up should never have been an issue. If MON hadn’t contracted COVID I think we would have been safe last weekend. It disrupted our preparations. If a global pandemic didn't break out we would've been safe 2 matches post-Hull 5-1... I have no doubt we would've taken Reading, Boro and Wigan. We're finally getting back to looking as we did then. Not sure on that mate ? Looking as we did then is a bold statement from beating an absolutely terrible Birmingham side. It's only a week ago we were dismantled by Leeds yet you say back to looking as we did in March. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Hull, Barnsley and Birmingham were horrific. Yes fair play you can only beat what's in front of you but any time we have played anybody better than garbage we have struggled. |
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Post by datguy on Jul 15, 2020 13:30:28 GMT
If a global pandemic didn't break out we would've been safe 2 matches post-Hull 5-1... I have no doubt we would've taken Reading, Boro and Wigan. We're finally getting back to looking as we did then. Not sure on that mate ? Looking as we did then is a bold statement from beating an absolutely terrible Birmingham side. It's only a week ago we were dismantled by Leeds yet you say back to looking as we did in March. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Hull, Barnsley and Birmingham were horrific. Yes fair play you can only beat what's in front of you but any time we have played anybody better than garbage we have struggled. We weren't great in March though were we? Beat Hull 5-1 off the back of a 1-1 at Luton. We were up and down just like we are now. It's all hypothetical but we would've been favourites going into Reading, Boro and Wigan had the normal fixtures taken place. And tbf, if we played any of the 3 just mentioned at 5 today, I reckon we beat them all. |
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Post by obhstokie on Jul 15, 2020 14:12:28 GMT
Considering we had 8 points 1/3 of the way through the season & we are not relegated with 3 games to go is outstanding. The fact that it looks like we may even stay up is even more incredible!
If we don't go down this year then it must be one of the greatest escapes (although a very long one) in football league history
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 15, 2020 14:21:19 GMT
Considering we had 8 points 1/3 of the way through the season & we are not relegated with 3 games to go is outstanding. The fact that it looks like we may even stay up is even more incredible! If we don't go down this year then it must be one of the greatest escapes (although a very long one) in football league history Exactly,we had 8 points from a possible 45 under jones, that is criminal. No doubt trying to enforce his bloody diamond played a huge part plus I feel he was way out of his depth. Michael oneill has won us 41 points out of a potential 84 so far. I think that given the fragile state this lot were in is a fantastic turn around in his first championship job |
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Post by Miles Offside on Jul 15, 2020 14:53:30 GMT
considering after 10 games we had 0-2-8 record im amazed at the turnaround. its not been all great but compared to back then its incredible Agree. We looked dead and buried when Jones left, yet if we win tonight we'll be safe with two games in hand. Great job by MON. |
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Post by zerps on Jul 15, 2020 15:02:19 GMT
Remember how long it took to score more than two goals in a game?
We’ve improved plenty since mon came in. This season feels like it’s lasted ten years.
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 15, 2020 15:07:52 GMT
MON has done a sterling job, but the mission impossible/remarkable achievement was Nathan taking a squad littered with Championship winners/Premier league experienced players and only mustering up 8 points and only 6 wins from 38 during his tenure. That's a special kind of disastrous record that is. Exactly this. O'Neill has done really well but 31 games is a hell of a lot of time to keep us up. Boro only gave Warnock 8 and he's done it. It's more of a damning indictment of the previous manager. The amount of people who fell for his bullshit was astonishing. O'Neill has done extremely well but it's not a miracle despite what previous seasons stats show. We will have lost almost half our fixtures by the time it's over. Only the fact we have very few draws has kept us up. Second most losses in the division. Yet still folk talk of promotion next season , laughable Yes laughable. However I honestly think with three decent signings we'll do very well. Pacy left back, beast of a holding midfielder and another striker and I think we'll have a very competitive season. Weve got to stay up first of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 15:14:49 GMT
Exactly this. O'Neill has done really well but 31 games is a hell of a lot of time to keep us up. Boro only gave Warnock 8 and he's done it. It's more of a damning indictment of the previous manager. The amount of people who fell for his bullshit was astonishing. O'Neill has done extremely well but it's not a miracle despite what previous seasons stats show. We will have lost almost half our fixtures by the time it's over. Only the fact we have very few draws has kept us up. Second most losses in the division. Yet still folk talk of promotion next season , laughable Yes laughable. However I honestly think with three decent signings we'll do very well. Pacy left back, beast of a holding midfielder and another striker and I think we'll have a very competitive season. Weve got to stay up first of course. Roughly half of those losses were in the first quarter of the season. Under MON we are just around play off form. Hardly laughable but a lot of work to do as have many others |
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