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Post by potterboy on Jul 14, 2020 18:50:30 GMT
I’m hoping we will now be safe. I’m also impressed with michael’s tactics. However, has our manager experience in buying/selling? A friend was saying he has very little and it makes me shudder to think that our board will be buying and getting Michael to work with what he is told?
Has he experience? Am I being to hard on the board?
I ask I think Michael achieved so much with ‘what he had to work with’ at Ireland and I wonder if that will be the thinking going forward?
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 14, 2020 18:56:05 GMT
Does he really need experience of buying/selling? All he needs to do is identify the players he wants and then it’s down to the transfer team to try and get them.
You’d think his knowledge of the overseas market is pretty limited, luckily we have a thorough scouting set up in place to steer him in the right direction....
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 14, 2020 19:09:28 GMT
I think his wife does the shopping, and even when Michael wants to sell stuff, his wife puts it up on ebay or in the paper. He even gets help when buying his wife a gift. I think he'll be okay though.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 14, 2020 19:13:17 GMT
I’m hoping we will now be safe. I’m also impressed with michael’s tactics. However, has our manager experience in buying/selling? A friend was saying he has very little and it makes me shudder to think that our board will be buying and getting Michael to work with what he is told? Has he experience? Am I being to hard on the board? I ask I think Michael achieved so much with ‘what he had to work with’ at Ireland and I wonder if that will be the thinking going forward? Relax. Can he really be any worse at identifying the players he needs than his recent predecessors?
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 14, 2020 19:15:39 GMT
I’m hoping we will now be safe. I’m also impressed with michael’s tactics. However, has our manager experience in buying/selling? A friend was saying he has very little and it makes me shudder to think that our board will be buying and getting Michael to work with what he is told? Has he experience? Am I being to hard on the board? I ask I think Michael achieved so much with ‘what he had to work with’ at Ireland and I wonder if that will be the thinking going forward? Relax. Can he really be any worse at identifying the players he needs than his recent predecessors? Going on Chester and Thompson yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 19:19:55 GMT
Does he really need experience of buying/selling? All he needs to do is identify the players he wants and then it’s down to the transfer team to try and get them. You’d think his knowledge of the overseas market is pretty limited, luckily we have a thorough scouting set up in place to steer him in the right direction.... On the contrary. His knowledge of overseas player is immense, as he's scouted every player that could turn out vs NI. But all that knowledge won't come to any good, as we only buy British.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 14, 2020 19:28:00 GMT
Relax. Can he really be any worse at identifying the players he needs than his recent predecessors? Going on Chester and Thompson yes. No one did nor would of complained about Chester at the time of signing.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 14, 2020 19:28:25 GMT
I just hope he has full control over the players he wants. Magic MON will do wonders with his own players, the club needs to trust his judgement, he seems on the ball and will no doubt get poached if we don't support him properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 19:30:16 GMT
I just hope he has full control over the players he wants. Magic MON will do wonders with his own players, the club needs to trust his judgement, he seems on the ball and will no doubt get poached if we don't support him properly. We've always supported managers in the market. Problem is they just identified the wrong players of late
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 14, 2020 19:30:42 GMT
Does he really need experience of buying/selling? All he needs to do is identify the players he wants and then it’s down to the transfer team to try and get them. You’d think his knowledge of the overseas market is pretty limited, luckily we have a thorough scouting set up in place to steer him in the right direction.... I feel quite queasy reading this.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 14, 2020 19:36:47 GMT
I just hope he has full control over the players he wants. Magic MON will do wonders with his own players, the club needs to trust his judgement, he seems on the ball and will no doubt get poached if we don't support him properly. We've always supported managers in the market. Problem is they just identified the wrong players of late MON seems a different gravy, he seems a really solid manager who will take us places. I like him, he gets results. He would have had more time to look at players so could be an interesting window. We just need to be safe and after that I think we will kick on, we have hit rock bottom and now we are on the up.
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Post by bolders on Jul 14, 2020 19:44:45 GMT
He has Andy Cousins to help him
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Post by tosh on Jul 14, 2020 19:48:07 GMT
We've always supported managers in the market. Problem is they just identified the wrong players of late MON seems a different gravy, he seems a really solid manager who will take us places. I like him, he gets results. He would have had more time to look at players so could be an interesting window. We just need to be safe and after that I think we will kick on, we have hit rock bottom and now we are on the up. Agree with your sentiments, but his biggest problem might be in being able to get rid of enough deadweight players, to reduce the squad and payroll and create room to bring players in.
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Post by philb on Jul 14, 2020 19:51:47 GMT
MON seems a different gravy, he seems a really solid manager who will take us places. I like him, he gets results. He would have had more time to look at players so could be an interesting window. We just need to be safe and after that I think we will kick on, we have hit rock bottom and now we are on the up. Agree with your sentiments, but his biggest problem might be in being able to get rid of enough deadweight players, to reduce the squad and payroll and create room to bring players in. He’s already mentioned that with regards to players coming back from loans and what the club will have to do to make room to improve the squad. We simply can’t afford to get it wrong again.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jul 14, 2020 19:55:45 GMT
I just hope he has full control over the players he wants. Magic MON will do wonders with his own players, the club needs to trust his judgement, he seems on the ball and will no doubt get poached if we don't support him properly. Couldn't disagree more. There should be a solid recruitment process in place (there clearly isn't), that would be my number 1 priority over the next 1 or 2 seasons. Giving the manager full control is how we've ended up with this disjointed & unbalanced squad.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 14, 2020 20:14:51 GMT
I just hope he has full control over the players he wants. Magic MON will do wonders with his own players, the club needs to trust his judgement, he seems on the ball and will no doubt get poached if we don't support him properly. Couldn't disagree more. There should be a solid recruitment process in place (there clearly isn't), that would be my number 1 priority over the next 1 or 2 seasons. Giving the manager full control is how we've ended up with this disjointed & unbalanced squad. If you were doing a job would you prefer to use your own tools or someone else's? For me fully backing the manager is the best way to have success. Just because it didn't work with one manager doesn't mean it won't work with another. I'm sure Pulis picked his own players as did Sir Alex Ferguson. We have a squad full of players suitable for 3 different managers, despite all that MON has managed to get a tune out of them. Jones had limited ability and wasn't able to adapt. Rowett got results but wasn't liked and his team's were a bit shit to watch. I think Rowett would have had us challenging if he stayed. Our biggest problem was Jones and Jones alone, he was a one trick pony.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 14, 2020 21:16:54 GMT
Does he really need experience of buying/selling? All he needs to do is identify the players he wants and then it’s down to the transfer team to try and get them. You’d think his knowledge of the overseas market is pretty limited, luckily we have a thorough scouting set up in place to steer him in the right direction.... There's always somebody happy to piss on the parade
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 14, 2020 21:17:12 GMT
His two signings up to yet have not filled me with confidence. He needs to do better if we're to improve.
OS.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 14, 2020 21:23:12 GMT
His two signings up to yet have not filled me with confidence. He needs to do better if we're to improve. OS. Your feeding on scraps in January though aren't you? This window will be a better indicator plus he has more knowledge about the level of player needed to get through this division. Hopefully we are safe now but the extra experience will only aid him going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 21:42:10 GMT
His two signings up to yet have not filled me with confidence. He needs to do better if we're to improve. OS. Going to be plenty of players looking for clubs in the Summer you would feel. Jan is notoriously difficult and with that cough thing going around a lot of players could be more easily available.
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 14, 2020 21:50:47 GMT
I remember him discussing his transfers at Shamrock in a long interview he did on YouTube.
He basically told several players they were being let go so that he could afford a key player.
If he can do something similar here, happy days!
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 14, 2020 21:55:19 GMT
He has a major problem in getting shut of loads of players who are sitting on huge salaries who no one is going to want. He’s completely hamstrung to a degree and it will take two years to sort out completely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 21:56:43 GMT
To be fair to him, Chester 'on paper' could/should have been a solid signing. Hindsight is great & what it does tell us, is that MON had little faith in his CH options at that stage. He's not worked out. The issue would arise, I suppose, if he now went and signed him permanently.
Thompson..I've just not been impressed. It's an odd one.
There are numerous examples in the Championship alone, of good recruitment, not necessarily transfer fees, being the difference. Money comes into play when we're attracting players via wages, that's where we could flex our muscles a bit.
We need to build a squad not to 'compete' in the Championship, but one that you'd trust to have a good shot at promotion. We're not a Reading, or Blackburn, at this point in time.
Given the debacle of our transfer dealings over the past few years, we need a change of strategy. And he can't do any worse, can he??
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2020 21:58:01 GMT
It's been a long time since we have had a clearly successful window
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2020 22:15:39 GMT
He has Andy Cousins to help him Didn’t Thompson say it was Cousins who pointed him to Stoke? Excuse me for not doing cartwheels.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2020 22:16:37 GMT
His two signings up to yet have not filled me with confidence. He needs to do better if we're to improve. OS. I'll be surprised if we don't sign Chester up for another year, the manager likes him and he's free, they'll see no down side.
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Post by Gods on Jul 14, 2020 22:21:08 GMT
I guess the main challenge for MON is what to do with the 7 returning loan players.
Badou, Etebo, Ndaiye, Woods and all. Essentially our most expensive assets.
What the heck do we do with them?
Until we know this I'm not sure we can move.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 14, 2020 22:31:25 GMT
I guess the main challenge for MON is what to do with the 7 returning loan players. Badou, Etebo, Ndaiye, Woods and all. Essentially our most expensive assets. What the heck do we do with them? Until we know this I'm not sure we can move. This. He’s going to have to work with them isn’t he? Until they are sold/given away I don’t see how he can create the room or the finance to bring anyone else in?
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 14, 2020 22:39:23 GMT
1. Could MON actually do worse than our previous 4 managers?
2. In December we were in the relegation zone. What ambitious player with talent would want to join us and risk ruining his career? I'm surprised anyone signed for us in January.
3. As a national manager for the last 8 years he has been scouring the leagues for players to play for NI. He is probably more aware of the talent in all the clubs than most club managers who are tied up full time managing club affairs. He will certainly have seen a lot of foreign players in the last 8 years.
4. The manager has to convince a player that he should join us, which I think MON would be pretty good at. The rest of the business (terms and conditions of contract with the players agent) is handled by others not the manager.
5. My guess is he has already briefed the club on who has to go and who he wants during the lock down.
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 14, 2020 22:59:29 GMT
Criterion: needs young,pacy and athletic players who can get about the pitch. This does not include Chris Brunt or James Chester.
Needs to ship out as many as possible which has already been suggested is going to be extremely difficult
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