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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 14, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
Marshall won't come to be number 2 though. Davies had nothing of note to do on Sunday, so the jury is out, but from the youtube footage we saw when he signed, he tends to palm everything away and not always out. He doesn't seem that physically imposing either, but I agree that Jack is shot with us.
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Post by noustie on Jul 14, 2020 11:25:32 GMT
Joe Lewis at Aberdeen - cheap, couple of years left and would probably be willing to fight for no.1 spot as probably on £3-5k a week tops.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 14, 2020 11:28:14 GMT
Let's see Davies in action before deciding to write him off. I am sure he will be far busier in coming matches than Sunday. After that we should have a better idea of he will make a capable number one.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 14, 2020 11:37:31 GMT
Ideally both Bursik and Broome will be out on loan next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2020 12:18:16 GMT
Davies isn’t the answer to any problem long term. Whys that? I've only seen a few youtube clips and the one game but given he was gk of the season in league one he must have something about him. I just don’t think he looks that good. Doesn’t hold on to stuff he should and parries a lot. He was ok on Sunday and shouldn’t be dropped but we need much better.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 14, 2020 12:27:36 GMT
I don't think many, if any, of us have seen enough of Davies to be sure either way. Given that I would want to keep but with strong competition for the no 1 spot, if the coaching team think he is ready that could be Bursik, I've not seen anything of him, if not we need to bring someone like Marshall in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 13:58:18 GMT
We only need Noukeu and Bursik as our keepers, though one of them, probably Bursik, should be first choice. If Davies then decides to stay, then he can, but we don't really know what he can do. He was hardly tested vs Brum.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2020 14:52:32 GMT
He might. Bottom line is it’s not prudent to go into a Championship season hoping that two untried goalkeepers are up to the standard required and that one *might* prove to be better than another. You need strength and a bit of depth.. Davies and Bursik would be pretty thin as a 2 & 3, having them as a 1 & 2 would be madness. We need at least one new first-team ready goalie. I’m sure MON will know this. How many other championship teams have 3 gks with experience? We cannot afford a Premiership squad. As I said above Davies spent 3 years at Barnsley, 2 getting promotion to the Championship and one being relegated back to Div 1. He is only untried at Stoke but not at this level and I would imagine on too good a wage at Stoke to sit on the bench. Your problem is do you bring in a second choice who will either be old and expensive or will be young enough to make Bursik's route to our first team look congested. At some point we need to take a risk and I know that Sunday was only one game but Davies looked confident and competent, a lot better than Jack at the basics of commanding his box and kicking. He seemed a lot less of a worry than our full backs, wingers, some of our midfield, our centre forward (as MON seems to have decided we need someone who is more physical than Tyrese there) and even our centre halves. The transfer window is seemingly going to stay open for longer so we will have chance to assess Davies as no 1 and as I said above Bursik has the same sort of experience for our level as Jack and Begovic had when they were our understudy gks in the Premiership. Where did I say we need 3 with experience? Just one would be a start! Davies has two seasons at this level, two years ago, and conceded 140 goals. I'm not saying that's proof he's crap or anything, he might turn out to be great for us, but going into a season with that, and then basically teenagers who have next to zero first-team experience as backup would be absolutely suicidal, I don't understand how you can't see that. The comparison with Butland/Bego is way wide of the mark, they were miles ahead of Bursik in both age and experience, *and* had experienced backup. If Butland leaves (fingers crossed), we need to sign a keeper, it's blatantly obvious.
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Post by slicko on Jul 14, 2020 16:23:02 GMT
We may yet go into next season with Butland and Davies competing for the GK jersey.
Butland’s form may improve with a revamped squad and good competition.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 16:33:49 GMT
How many other championship teams have 3 gks with experience? We cannot afford a Premiership squad. As I said above Davies spent 3 years at Barnsley, 2 getting promotion to the Championship and one being relegated back to Div 1. He is only untried at Stoke but not at this level and I would imagine on too good a wage at Stoke to sit on the bench. Your problem is do you bring in a second choice who will either be old and expensive or will be young enough to make Bursik's route to our first team look congested. At some point we need to take a risk and I know that Sunday was only one game but Davies looked confident and competent, a lot better than Jack at the basics of commanding his box and kicking. He seemed a lot less of a worry than our full backs, wingers, some of our midfield, our centre forward (as MON seems to have decided we need someone who is more physical than Tyrese there) and even our centre halves. The transfer window is seemingly going to stay open for longer so we will have chance to assess Davies as no 1 and as I said above Bursik has the same sort of experience for our level as Jack and Begovic had when they were our understudy gks in the Premiership. Where did I say we need 3 with experience? Just one would be a start! Davies has two seasons at this level, two years ago, and conceded 140 goals. I'm not saying that's proof he's crap or anything, he might turn out to be great for us, but going into a season with that, and then basically teenagers who have next to zero first-team experience as backup would be absolutely suicidal, I don't understand how you can't see that. The comparison with Butland/Bego is way wide of the mark, they were miles ahead of Bursik in both age and experience, *and* had experienced backup. If Butland leaves (fingers crossed), we need to sign a keeper, it's blatantly obvious. I beg to differ on Bego and Butland being way ahead in terms of age and experience. Begovic joined Stoke aged 22 having played 7 games for Portsmouth and 22 loan appearances. He became a regular at Stoke aged 23 with no more experience than when he joined. Butland joined Stoke aged 20 with 46 appearance for Birmingham. He made a further 33 loan appearances before becoming Stoke's first choice at the age of 21. Bursik is 20 with 37 loan appearances admittedly at a lower level than Begovic and Butland but then Stoke are playing at a lower level than they were then. I just don't see the point of rushing out and buying a gk on good wages if either Davies or Bursik will prove good enough. We have the rest of the season and the beginning of next to judge but you are not going to get an experienced gk to come and be back up so unless we sell both Butland and Davies I can't see the logistics of us being able to sign the sort of gk people are talking of.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 16:39:26 GMT
Where did I say we need 3 with experience? Just one would be a start! Davies has two seasons at this level, two years ago, and conceded 140 goals. I'm not saying that's proof he's crap or anything, he might turn out to be great for us, but going into a season with that, and then basically teenagers who have next to zero first-team experience as backup would be absolutely suicidal, I don't understand how you can't see that. The comparison with Butland/Bego is way wide of the mark, they were miles ahead of Bursik in both age and experience, *and* had experienced backup. If Butland leaves (fingers crossed), we need to sign a keeper, it's blatantly obvious. My point about experience was that Forest's first choice gk had no experience of English football at the start of the season and had only played at a lower level in France. Their back up had one season of championship football. Admittedly they had Pantimilion til January but never even used him on the bench. Compared to those two Davies with 2 seasons in the Championship and two and a half in League 1 is quite experienced.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 14, 2020 16:56:55 GMT
Have heard from an ITK source the 2 goalies we are going to sign are Phil Fumble and Dougie mcdropsy.
You heard it here first.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2020 17:01:27 GMT
Where did I say we need 3 with experience? Just one would be a start! Davies has two seasons at this level, two years ago, and conceded 140 goals. I'm not saying that's proof he's crap or anything, he might turn out to be great for us, but going into a season with that, and then basically teenagers who have next to zero first-team experience as backup would be absolutely suicidal, I don't understand how you can't see that. The comparison with Butland/Bego is way wide of the mark, they were miles ahead of Bursik in both age and experience, *and* had experienced backup. If Butland leaves (fingers crossed), we need to sign a keeper, it's blatantly obvious. I beg to differ on Bego and Butland being way ahead in terms of age and experience. Begovic joined Stoke aged 22 having played 7 games for Portsmouth and 22 loan appearances. He became a regular at Stoke aged 23 with no more experience than when he joined. Butland joined Stoke aged 20 with 46 appearance for Birmingham. He made a further 33 loan appearances before becoming Stoke's first choice at the age of 21. Bursik is 20 with 37 loan appearances admittedly at a lower level than Begovic and Butland but then Stoke are playing at a lower level than they were then. I just don't see the point of rushing out and buying a gk on good wages if either Davies or Bursik will prove good enough. We have the rest of the season and the beginning of next to judge but you are not going to get an experienced gk to come and be back up so unless we sell both Butland and Davies I can't see the logistics of us being able to sign the sort of gk people are talking of. Ok we can keep going with this... Butland was 22 when he became a regular, not 21. Bursik turned 20 two days ago, so there's an almost three-year difference. Butland also had 30 England u-21 caps, a *full* England cap and several appearances for GB in the Olympics before he played a game for us. Bursik hasn't even graduated to the England 21s yet. Butland had also had extended successful seasons/spells in the second tier, racking up 80 appearances for the likes of Birmingham, Derby and Leeds. Bursik has played most of the little football he's had in the seventh tier, with a few games for Accrington in League One last season. They're absolutely light years apart.
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Post by wherty on Jul 14, 2020 17:07:45 GMT
Harvey McGuinn on a free from Jossys Giants. I featured in one of those episodes when us junior potters played Newcastle utd approx 1988/89.
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Post by wherty on Jul 14, 2020 17:08:17 GMT
Oh and my money is on Joe Hart.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 17:45:54 GMT
I beg to differ on Bego and Butland being way ahead in terms of age and experience. Begovic joined Stoke aged 22 having played 7 games for Portsmouth and 22 loan appearances. He became a regular at Stoke aged 23 with no more experience than when he joined. Butland joined Stoke aged 20 with 46 appearance for Birmingham. He made a Ok we can keep going with this... Butland was 22 when he became a regular, not 21. Bursik turned 20 two days ago, so there's an almost three-year difference. Butland also had 30 England u-21 caps, a *full* England cap and several appearances for GB in the Olympics before he played a game for us. Bursik hasn't even graduated to the England 21s yet. Butland had also had extended successful seasons/spells in the second tier, racking up 80 appearances for the likes of Birmingham, Derby and Leeds. Bursik has played most of the little football he's had in the seventh tier, with a few games for Accrington in League One last season. They're absolutely light years apart. When did I say Bursik should be first choice. Like Begovic and Butland before him he will be back up to Davies or whoever if we sell Davies. We are in the Championship and light years, away from where we were when Begovic and Butland started playing for us. Championship clubs cannot afford two experienced goalkeepers.
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Post by wolfbagger on Jul 14, 2020 20:45:28 GMT
Serious suggestion: Giannis Anestis ... currently at the swedish club IFK Göteborg (Gothenburg), so we better make an offer before he goes to another country and becomes expensive. He has previously played for AEK Athen and Hapoel Beer Sheva. And been on the bench in The Greece National team. 1.98 cm tall. 90 kilo. Extremely good at saving penalties. Domination in the air. The last Scandinavian based up and coming keeper we signed was brilliant... Where is he now?
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Post by musik on Jul 14, 2020 21:21:50 GMT
Serious suggestion: Giannis Anestis ... currently at the swedish club IFK Göteborg (Gothenburg), so we better make an offer before he goes to another country and becomes expensive. He has previously played for AEK Athen and Hapoel Beer Sheva. And been on the bench in The Greece National team. 1.98 cm tall. 90 kilo. Extremely good at saving penalties. Domination in the air. The last Scandinavian based up and coming keeper we signed was brilliant... Where is he now? At home, I guess. IFK Göteborg (Sweden, Allsvenskan (first division)).
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 14, 2020 23:08:04 GMT
Shifting Butland is going to be very hard work. It’s tough to see who will want to take on anything like the wages he’ll demand, plus a fee given his form. I think we should get a run out of Davies until the end of the season personally and if he does ok then he should provisionally start next year, with someone like Marshall deputising. Bursik has got lots of time. Marshall is a better keeper than Davies. We just cannot keep Butland. I'd actually let him go for nothing to get his wage off the bill. He's shot.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 15, 2020 1:44:08 GMT
Didn't Chelski or one of the top teams offer 6 million for Jack, but our owners rated him at 40 mill or something daft like that.
We might find there are not many offers JB or at least not at the right price and there seems to be a clause in his contract where he must play if fit - so we might still be in the same position next year regarding Jack.
Not just Jack we need to off-load but all of the players who must be claiming a fair whack in wages who are just of no use to us and preventing us from adding in important areas - mainly in defence: Shawx, JB, Wilmer, BMI, Edwards, Ward, Bauer
On top of that we need to move on players like Souttar and Tymon who are not quite good enough for this level - also defenders.
And while we are on about our catastrophic defensive issues - Collins needs to go out on loan to get game time, no point saying he has got the talent and giving him 2 tries a year - he needs game time and experience.
We literally have a mass of deadwood in defensive areas. I would retain only Batth and Smith, but only as squad players and backup - we don't have a solitary defender good enough for this level and certainly not for mid-table or above
This is Stoke though - so the people who run the club will do absolutely nothing and nothing will have changed at all come the start of the season.
What defensive issues will be the rhetoric of Scholes and co - even though the cheap and cheerful man they brought in to do as he was told is now showing a pair and telling them that their beautiful little squad of underperformers are not underperformers at all - but total shite - he won't last long with the egos that run our club if he continues to have his own opinions
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 18:01:07 GMT
Showed why we need better today imo.
Did some good things and was fine overall but was doing the Hokey Cokey on crosses.
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Post by datguy on Jul 15, 2020 18:04:46 GMT
Davies has proved he is currently our best goalkeeper.
Whether we bring in a starter or not, I think we can be comfortable with Davies knowing he is more than capable.
One thing I will say is that Davies is very good at coming off his line. Having a keeper willing to come out halves the threat of over the top through balls.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 15, 2020 18:07:10 GMT
Showed why we need better today imo. Did some good things and was fine overall but was doing the Hokey Cokey on crosses. All keepers are crap on crosses ,he was quick to the 18 yard line twice in the 1st half , looks ok but no real shots at him yet, think we should give him a chance
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 18:12:05 GMT
Showed why we need better today imo. Did some good things and was fine overall but was doing the Hokey Cokey on crosses. All keepers are crap on crosses ,he was quick to the 18 yard line twice in the 1st half , looks ok but no real shots at him yet, think we should give him a chance No they’re not. He looked particularly bad at them. The one on one was excellent but Butland is slaughtered if he does the 4/5 comes for the ball/runs back routine Davies did today.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 15, 2020 18:23:20 GMT
Davies was well regarded when he came to us and you can see why. It's all hypothetical but I'm convinced that if Davies had started the season instead of Butland we'd have been safe a good few games ago. An experienced seasoned pro on a free as back up for next season will do us.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 15, 2020 18:33:05 GMT
All keepers are crap on crosses ,he was quick to the 18 yard line twice in the 1st half , looks ok but no real shots at him yet, think we should give him a chance No they’re not. He looked particularly bad at them. The one on one was excellent but Butland is slaughtered if he does the 4/5 comes for the ball/runs back routine Davies did today. now quick name the keepers who are good on crosses ........ GO
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 18:38:26 GMT
No they’re not. He looked particularly bad at them. The one on one was excellent but Butland is slaughtered if he does the 4/5 comes for the ball/runs back routine Davies did today. now quick name the keepers who are good on crosses ........ GO Alison Edersen Oblak. There’s 3
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Post by liathroid on Jul 15, 2020 18:44:51 GMT
now quick name the keepers who are good on crosses ........ GO Alison Edersen Oblak. There’s 3 so 200million worth of keepers and not all great on crosses and your on about a freebie
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 18:46:30 GMT
Alison Edersen Oblak. There’s 3 so 200million worth of keepers and not all great on crosses and your on about a freebie They’re all good on crosses.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 15, 2020 18:48:49 GMT
so 200million worth of keepers and not all great on crosses and your on about a freebie They’re all good on crosses. so which one should we sign and Allison isnt
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