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Post by theoldvic on Jul 13, 2020 21:02:18 GMT
Billy Casper
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:04:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 22:24:02 GMT
We definitely need 2 keepers. One will have to be on a free surely? Is Free Surely related to Free Willy? Caballero out of our league sadly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 22:26:41 GMT
I suspect gk won't be a priority. We've got to leave the door open for some outstanding young keepers, at the club. Davies definitely has the experience to be no.1 and Bursik played credibly at Altrincham on loan last year so deserves to be back up. Behind them we have Noukeu and Nathan Broome both of whom will want to be near the first team. There is no point in paying big wages to an experienced back up keeper. So a #1 with one appearance at this level in two years and a 20-year-old with a handful of League One appearances? That's demented I particularly like the look of Broome but fook me I don’t think any one of them should be more than third choice atm. We need better than Davies as a #1 too.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2020 22:34:21 GMT
Won't we have the same problem moving Jack on as we have had the last 3 summers?
We keep chasing the Jack market down from it's high watermark of £35m but we are always just behind the curve.
We are in the territory of a 'free' for anyone who would match his wages I would imagine but are we willing to recognise that?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 22:37:50 GMT
Won't we have the same problem moving Jack on as we have had the last 3 summers? We keep chasing the Jack market down from it's high watermark of £35m but we are always just behind the curve. We are in the territory of a 'free' for anyone who would match his wages I would imagine but are we willing to recognise that? Good point. At the start of this season I was suggesting his best move might be a loan to a foreign club on the cheap. If he wants to play regularly that will still be about his best option. Shite for us but as you say we’ve misread his situation so badly as a club.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Jul 13, 2020 22:44:40 GMT
Should go for Dillon Phillips at Charlton if they go down decent keeper and a good age to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 22:50:56 GMT
Would love Darren Randolph but maybe asking a bit too much but not getting a look in at West Ham.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 13, 2020 23:10:23 GMT
So a #1 with one appearance at this level in two years and a 20-year-old with a handful of League One appearances? That's demented I particularly like the look of Broome but fook me I don’t think any one of them should be more than third choice atm. We need better than Davies as a #1 too. Yeah I don’t think you should ever have a young inexperienced keeper as a #2 if you can help it, it’s too risky. They should be 1 or 3. If you have an exceptional talent then put them in as first choice but with a dependable, experienced type as back-up if things go pear-shaped.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 23:16:37 GMT
I particularly like the look of Broome but fook me I don’t think any one of them should be more than third choice atm. We need better than Davies as a #1 too. Yeah I don’t think you should ever have a young inexperienced keeper as a #2 if you can help it, it’s too risky. They should be 1 or 3. If you have an exceptional talent then put them in as first choice but with a dependable, experienced type as back-up if things go pear-shaped. We could blood Broome in the midfield tbh. He’s a better footballer than any of the starting XI from the weekend 😂 Him and Bursik though need toughening up.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 13, 2020 23:49:47 GMT
I suspect gk won't be a priority. We've got to leave the door open for some outstanding young keepers, at the club. Davies definitely has the experience to be no.1 and Bursik played credibly at Altrincham on loan last year so deserves to be back up. Behind them we have Noukeu and Nathan Broome both of whom will want to be near the first team. There is no point in paying big wages to an experienced back up keeper. So a #1 with one appearance at this level in two years and a 20-year-old with a handful of League One appearances? That's demented Davies has 3 years experience at Barnsley including one in the Championship and at 26 is not quite the rookie you make out. On Sunday he looked to me like a very competent gk at this level. We were also happy to have a 23 year old Begovic with only 15 Premiership appearances as our back up in the Premier League so at the level we are playing at I don't see that Bursik's experience is too little to be a back up keeper. You cannot keep three goal keeping prospects happy with being anything less than third choice and obviously the club have high hopes for all of them. I suspect Bursik would be very disappointed if we brought in another gk to block his route to the first team and having proved himself at a level below us I can't see what benefit another loan would be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 23:55:29 GMT
Davies isn’t the answer to any problem long term.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 13, 2020 23:55:53 GMT
Yeah I don’t think you should ever have a young inexperienced keeper as a #2 if you can help it, it’s too risky. They should be 1 or 3. If you have an exceptional talent then put them in as first choice but with a dependable, experienced type as back-up if things go pear-shaped. We could blood Broome in the midfield tbh. He’s a better footballer than any of the starting XI from the weekend 😂 Him and Bursik though need toughening up. Having watched Broome on loan at Mickleover this season I can assure you that he toughened up quite quickly. At first hardened centre forwards targeted him and gks get far less protection from referees at that level than they do at our level. A few weeks into the season though he was handling it and it was noticeable that the opposition stopped trying to bully him as much. I don't think he's ready for first team football yet and probably needs to go out on loan at a higher level.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 13, 2020 23:59:40 GMT
I particularly like the look of Broome but fook me I don’t think any one of them should be more than third choice atm. We need better than Davies as a #1 too. Yeah I don’t think you should ever have a young inexperienced keeper as a #2 if you can help it, it’s too risky. They should be 1 or 3. If you have an exceptional talent then put them in as first choice but with a dependable, experienced type as back-up if things go pear-shaped. Yeah I can see your point but it is a difficult situation at Stoke. Davies deserves a chance to prove himself but another loan for Bursik seems pointless unless it's to a Championship club then if he proves to be better than Davies we look right mugs. Perhaps the longer transfer window will give us more time to look at them both.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2020 0:06:18 GMT
So a #1 with one appearance at this level in two years and a 20-year-old with a handful of League One appearances? That's demented Davies has 3 years experience at Barnsley including one in the Championship and at 26 is not quite the rookie you make out. On Sunday he looked to me like a very competent gk at this level. We were also happy to have a 23 year old Begovic with only 15 Premiership appearances as our back up in the Premier League so at the level we are playing at I don't see that Bursik's experience is too little to be a back up keeper. You cannot keep three goal keeping prospects happy with being anything less than third choice and obviously the club have high hopes for all of them. I suspect Bursik would be very disappointed if we brought in another gk to block his route to the first team and having proved himself at a level below us I can't see what benefit another loan would be. How would spending a season on the bench behind Davies be better than playing every week for a League 1 team? He’ll want another loan
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 0:07:49 GMT
So a #1 with one appearance at this level in two years and a 20-year-old with a handful of League One appearances? That's demented Davies has 3 years experience at Barnsley including one in the Championship and at 26 is not quite the rookie you make out. On Sunday he looked to me like a very competent gk at this level. We were also happy to have a 23 year old Begovic with only 15 Premiership appearances as our back up in the Premier League so at the level we are playing at I don't see that Bursik's experience is too little to be a back up keeper. You cannot keep three goal keeping prospects happy with being anything less than third choice and obviously the club have high hopes for all of them. I suspect Bursik would be very disappointed if we brought in another gk to block his route to the first team and having proved himself at a level below us I can't see what benefit another loan would be. And I should have said a 21 year old Butland with very few Premiership appearances as back up to Begovic.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 0:10:05 GMT
Davies has 3 years experience at Barnsley including one in the Championship and at 26 is not quite the rookie you make out. On Sunday he looked to me like a very competent gk at this level. We were also happy to have a 23 year old Begovic with only 15 Premiership appearances as our back up in the Premier League so at the level we are playing at I don't see that Bursik's experience is too little to be a back up keeper. You cannot keep three goal keeping prospects happy with being anything less than third choice and obviously the club have high hopes for all of them. I suspect Bursik would be very disappointed if we brought in another gk to block his route to the first team and having proved himself at a level below us I can't see what benefit another loan would be. How would spending a season on the bench behind Davies be better than playing every week for a League 1 team? He’ll want another loan At the beginning of the season he may prove to be better than Davies. If we go out and buy even one gk he won't have that chance. Begovic and Butland were both happy to sit on the bench for a lengthy period before getting their chance.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2020 1:50:52 GMT
How would spending a season on the bench behind Davies be better than playing every week for a League 1 team? He’ll want another loan At the beginning of the season he may prove to be better than Davies. If we go out and buy even one gk he won't have that chance. Begovic and Butland were both happy to sit on the bench for a lengthy period before getting their chance. He might. Bottom line is it’s not prudent to go into a Championship season hoping that two untried goalkeepers are up to the standard required and that one *might* prove to be better than another. You need strength and a bit of depth.. Davies and Bursik would be pretty thin as a 2 & 3, having them as a 1 & 2 would be madness. We need at least one new first-team ready goalie. I’m sure MON will know this.
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Post by mrmojorisin on Jul 14, 2020 6:04:22 GMT
Only one required. Nobody in their right mind would touch Butland.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 7:53:43 GMT
At the beginning of the season he may prove to be better than Davies. If we go out and buy even one gk he won't have that chance. Begovic and Butland were both happy to sit on the bench for a lengthy period before getting their chance. He might. Bottom line is it’s not prudent to go into a Championship season hoping that two untried goalkeepers are up to the standard required and that one *might* prove to be better than another. You need strength and a bit of depth.. Davies and Bursik would be pretty thin as a 2 & 3, having them as a 1 & 2 would be madness. We need at least one new first-team ready goalie. I’m sure MON will know this. How many other championship teams have 3 gks with experience? We cannot afford a Premiership squad. As I said above Davies spent 3 years at Barnsley, 2 getting promotion to the Championship and one being relegated back to Div 1. He is only untried at Stoke but not at this level and I would imagine on too good a wage at Stoke to sit on the bench. Your problem is do you bring in a second choice who will either be old and expensive or will be young enough to make Bursik's route to our first team look congested. At some point we need to take a risk and I know that Sunday was only one game but Davies looked confident and competent, a lot better than Jack at the basics of commanding his box and kicking. He seemed a lot less of a worry than our full backs, wingers, some of our midfield, our centre forward (as MON seems to have decided we need someone who is more physical than Tyrese there) and even our centre halves. The transfer window is seemingly going to stay open for longer so we will have chance to assess Davies as no 1 and as I said above Bursik has the same sort of experience for our level as Jack and Begovic had when they were our understudy gks in the Premiership.
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Post by Northy on Jul 14, 2020 7:57:46 GMT
I can see Joe Hart coming in as one of them. We'd be closer to his Shrewsbury roots & we'd probably be able to offer him a competitive wage with a fair bit of game time thrown in too. Hart's always had a good rapport with the Boothen End when he's ran out with Man City in the past so sure he'd feel at home here. Yeah he isn't what he used to be when he was at his Peak playing for England & Man City but looking beyond the Number 1 Jersey, Hart as an experienced pro would be good to have around the club especially to have amongst the younger keepers in training etc. & as we're currently a mediocre Championship club right now, if we're after a keeper who'd have experience, be competent enough to play if given the nod then I can see Hart being a good fit for where we are right now, & where we aiming to go to. Thought he was off to Celtic?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 8:01:11 GMT
Davies isn’t the answer to any problem long term. I haven't seen enough of him to categorically say that. The fact that he was behind Frederici suggests that but he did nothing on Sunday to suggest he wasn't competent but I'd like to see him under more pressure which hopefully we will be able to in the next 3 games. I don't see him as too long term though as everything I read about Bursik suggests he expects to be our no1 sooner rather than later. Having two gks both wanting to prove they should be first choice and feeling that the position is theirs to claim can only be a good situation for the club.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 8:02:30 GMT
I can see Joe Hart coming in as one of them. We'd be closer to his Shrewsbury roots & we'd probably be able to offer him a competitive wage with a fair bit of game time thrown in too. Hart's always had a good rapport with the Boothen End when he's ran out with Man City in the past so sure he'd feel at home here. Yeah he isn't what he used to be when he was at his Peak playing for England & Man City but looking beyond the Number 1 Jersey, Hart as an experienced pro would be good to have around the club especially to have amongst the younger keepers in training etc. & as we're currently a mediocre Championship club right now, if we're after a keeper who'd have experience, be competent enough to play if given the nod then I can see Hart being a good fit for where we are right now, & where we aiming to go to. Thought he was off to Celtic? And what wages do you think we would have to pay him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 8:02:32 GMT
I would not be surprised if he signed a new contract or something, can't see anyone buying him with the form he's been in the last couple years.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 8:12:50 GMT
For those of you saying we won't have enough experience look at the 3 keepers Forest have available to them at the moment. Two 26 year olds with one season's experience each and an untried 19 year old. Fans need to realise the level we are now at both financially and in terms of attracting players to the club and be more realistic in their wishes for transfers.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 14, 2020 8:36:50 GMT
He would be great with anything near the crossbar.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2020 9:19:52 GMT
Won't we have the same problem moving Jack on as we have had the last 3 summers? We keep chasing the Jack market down from it's high watermark of £35m but we are always just behind the curve. We are in the territory of a 'free' for anyone who would match his wages I would imagine but are we willing to recognise that? Injured, out of form and a small transfer window I'm not sure anyone would match his wages. Whether he'd take the long view of 3 years somewhere else at £30kpw rather than one last year here at £60k who knows - but the prospect of having to pay to get rid is a real one.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2020 9:50:50 GMT
Davies isn’t the answer to any problem long term. Whys that? I've only seen a few youtube clips and the one game but given he was gk of the season in league one he must have something about him.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 14, 2020 10:00:38 GMT
Shifting Butland is going to be very hard work. It’s tough to see who will want to take on anything like the wages he’ll demand, plus a fee given his form. I think we should get a run out of Davies until the end of the season personally and if he does ok then he should provisionally start next year, with someone like Marshall deputising. Bursik has got lots of time.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 14, 2020 10:17:50 GMT
Shifting a lot of our players on will be tough, let alone just Butland. We have 7 coming back from loan who you would think need shifting again before you even look at the rest😂
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