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Post by misterj on Jul 13, 2020 9:47:21 GMT
Heard a few stories about a significant number of the squad returned from lockdown unfit. How can players on thousands of £££ not be arsed to do a jog and a few weights/press ups/crunches etc each day BUT more importantly why was the club not aware of the players’ non-fitness? There are apps which friends use to share daily jogs/daily cycle rides (distance, times, speeds etc) so why was the club not insisting on evidence? Yes the players have been totally unprofessional but also the club hierarchy has failed in this respect too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 9:49:54 GMT
MON talked openly about how Edwards was in bad shape, shame really as I thought he might make it here.
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Post by jarhead on Jul 13, 2020 13:15:10 GMT
For years now it’s been amateur and not up to professional standards which in all honesty is a disgrace and sums the whole club up at the minute.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 13, 2020 13:26:57 GMT
Sounds like another example of how unproffessional both our players and club are.
Transfers, ticketing, IT, catering, access and egress from the ground, picking (and sacking) managers, the list seems endless.
My wife keeps saying "I don't know why you bother with them." I just reply, "You don't understand" and then wonder to myself. My first game was in the 50s, I do wonder when the last will be.
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Post by waddosnavy on Jul 13, 2020 14:29:16 GMT
We've witnessed the poor standard of fitness for several seasons now. Not able to keep up with the pace and speed of rival players, and a few who are blown away by 60 minutes and awaiting substitution.
stating too many matches etc.
All this in an era of state of the art training facilities, excellent pitches, dieticians and fairly lightweight footballs.
In contrast take Alan Ball for example, just past his 21st birthday and having played a 42 match season, played 3 World Cup matches in 8 days in July 1966 including extra time in the final on a churned up pitch that had recently been used for the annual 'Horse of the Year' show. Ball ran like a thoroughbred during extra-time, when our pampered lot would have been substituted, showered and in the bar.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 13, 2020 14:52:54 GMT
The culture of apathy that runs pretty much from the lowest levels of the club to the highest? The veritable age it took to get card payments, the lack of food hygiene, the fobbing off of fan questions. It's all connected, and what happens on the pitch and with the players' attitudes isn't a coincidence.
We've fallen off a cliff in the past 4 years, because no one has been decisive and hasn't been successful in changing the aforementioned culture. Or in the case of the uppermost echelons, haven't tried anything approaching a reform.
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Post by misterj on Jul 13, 2020 15:20:59 GMT
The app I was thinking of was STRAVA.... loads of young people love comparing running and cycling times with their mates, it shows the GPS routes they’ve been on.... surely something as simple as this could have been utilised? One fella who works at a certain franchise on Trentham Lakes bumped into one of Stoke’s coaching staff who reckoned HALF the squad returned from lockdown unfit.... don’t forget that’s the same period when a huge chunk of society who’d been furloughed became the fittest we’ve been in years .... a F.....ing scandal, more or less the words used by Liam Lawrence on radio Stoke to describe this unacceptable scenario
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 15:30:59 GMT
I don't really buy it.
I don't think we've looked particularly unfit.
They just haven't been set up well in the games where it looks like we may have tired.
The two games we've fun "coincided" with a 4231, a team set up knowing their role and being played to their strength. Amazing!
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Post by questionable on Jul 13, 2020 15:33:07 GMT
It’s been pretty much the same story for years now, then the disappearance of CC statement from Signal Radio , no defensive type training.
A lad I work with said years ago that he watched the players coming and going at their leisure from Clayton Woods (lives opposite to entrance) he even had Charlie Adam knock on his door asking if he knew who’s car it was outside of his house, when he asked why he was told that he’d lost control of his car and ran into it.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 13, 2020 15:35:40 GMT
They all had tech posted to them to allow the club to monitor all their stats, and they had regular contact with coaches to tell them what to do in lockdown based on those outputs. I agree with Bayern, I don’t think they’ve looked particularly unfit, just unable to play football in certain games, which isn’t a fitness thing.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2020 16:17:18 GMT
given the number of late goals we have score under O'Neill - in stark contrast to previous managers - I'd say the fitness levels must have improved overall
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Post by madnellie on Jul 13, 2020 16:46:10 GMT
They all had tech posted to them to allow the club to monitor all their stats, and they had regular contact with coaches to tell them what to do in lockdown based on those outputs. I agree with Bayern, I don’t think they’ve looked particularly unfit, just unable to play football in certain games, which isn’t a fitness thing. Was just going to say the same. James Chester wrote about it in an article in The Athletic. |
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 13, 2020 16:49:12 GMT
Some people struggle with self motivation. Yes they are paid thousands but even then support through a one to one gym session or training to push yourself harder is not the same as kicking a ball against a wall for 12 weeks.
Other need that competition of team mates being fitter and physically doing more to spur them on.
In lockdown there is no gaffe walking around the training pitches making decisions, so in turn the need to prove yourself in training is not there.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jul 14, 2020 0:35:49 GMT
I know that some of the gadgets used to monitor the players, often mean they are told to stop and rest ...I think they need to bin the gadgets and pre seasons in Dubai or wherever..as we are usually dreadful when the lads have been to those type of places. Do it the old fashioned way ...the Waddo used to get them running up trentham hills, occasionally some beach ..In .Wales and they had to run up and down the sand dunes..Play a game of footy in the soft dry sand, then a run down the beach and back....The gym set up was like the one Rocky Balboa used when he fought the Russian..
(It’s all sounding a bit monty python now ). 😀
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2020 8:30:37 GMT
Wasn't Sorenson top of distance run by quite a way for all players in the country? Fitness unfortunately doesn't guarantee performance. I seem to remember at some point too Shawcross had recorded the fastest speed reached by any player in the country. In the early matches after restart I did think we looked a bit leggy and wondered if perhaps we had overdone the fitness training while other clubs had been resting their players a bit.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 14, 2020 8:47:12 GMT
It totally on the type of fitness work they do and how that is measured. The stats might show that they are fit according to the profile they use but if that’s not right it will give them a false indication of how their fitness may compare with other teams.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 14, 2020 9:16:56 GMT
I know that some of the gadgets used to monitor the players, often mean they are told to stop and rest ...I think they need to bin the gadgets and pre seasons in Dubai or wherever..as we are usually dreadful when the lads have been to those type of places. Do it the old fashioned way ...the Waddo used to get them running up trentham hills, occasionally some beach ..In .Wales and they had to run up and down the sand dunes..Play a game of footy in the soft dry sand, then a run down the beach and back....The gym set up was like the one Rocky Balboa used when he fought the Russian.. (It’s all sounding a bit monty python now ). 😀 I agree. I think the sports science bit seems to trump the hard graft where it sees players not pushed to the limit to avoid injury. I get this, but there are such fine margins between fitness and injury and we seem to be on the wrong end of the balance. The sports science does work for very finely tuned race horses, but unfortunately we have a team of cart horses who need to be beasted into fitness. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2020 9:24:39 GMT
I don't really buy it. I don't think we've looked particularly unfit. They just haven't been set up well in the games where it looks like we may have tired. The two games we've fun "coincided" with a 4231, a team set up knowing their role and being played to their strength. Amazing! And the ones we lost they aparently didn't try or care........  |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 14, 2020 12:01:54 GMT
Well, if the turnaround from this season to next is going to be as quick as expected then there’s no reason for anybody to come back unfit and no excuses for a slow start. I hope to God MON manages to get the club back on the right track on that front, he at least seems to be that sort of character.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 14, 2020 12:36:03 GMT
Anyone seen reasonably recent interviews with Charlie Adam and Robert Huth where our "medicals" were basically non existent and treated as a joke.
With CA expecting a medical and TP saying , "Can you kick the ball? Head the ball? Ok then lets get you signed..."
And Huthy pretty much said the same.
No reason to think this mentality hasn't continued
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Post by Veritas on Jul 14, 2020 13:39:53 GMT
Anyone seen reasonably recent interviews with Charlie Adam and Robert Huth where our "medicals" were basically non existent and treated as a joke. With CA expecting a medical and TP saying , "Can you kick the ball? Head the ball? Ok then lets get you signed..." And Huthy pretty much said the same. No reason to think this mentality hasn't continued How do these "facts" square with the Demba Ba story? |
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 14, 2020 14:25:11 GMT
Anyone seen reasonably recent interviews with Charlie Adam and Robert Huth where our "medicals" were basically non existent and treated as a joke. With CA expecting a medical and TP saying , "Can you kick the ball? Head the ball? Ok then lets get you signed..." And Huthy pretty much said the same. No reason to think this mentality hasn't continued And yet demba ba and tom huddlestone couldnt get through one |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 14, 2020 19:04:17 GMT
Anyone seen reasonably recent interviews with Charlie Adam and Robert Huth where our "medicals" were basically non existent and treated as a joke. With CA expecting a medical and TP saying , "Can you kick the ball? Head the ball? Ok then lets get you signed..." And Huthy pretty much said the same. No reason to think this mentality hasn't continued And yet demba ba and tom huddlestone couldnt get through one Did we really want demba ba or huddlestone? Seems unusual we signed replacements yet made it public they were at the club. That doesn’t happen otherwise... |
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Post by baystokie on Jul 14, 2020 19:14:05 GMT
Heard a few stories about a significant number of the squad returned from lockdown unfit. How can players on thousands of £££ not be arsed to do a jog and a few weights/press ups/crunches etc each day BUT more importantly why was the club not aware of the players’ non-fitness? There are apps which friends use to share daily jogs/daily cycle rides (distance, times, speeds etc) so why was the club not insisting on evidence? Yes the players have been totally unprofessional but also the club hierarchy has failed in this respect too. 'Heard a few stories' and 'there are reports' are about as reliable as a Rollex watch. Most seem to emanate from a 'friend of a friend' or 'a mate's sister's boyfriend' - why do they take off and are believed or used as a basis for further cobbled stories. Talk about setting the ball rolling! |
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 14, 2020 19:36:57 GMT
Heard a few stories about a significant number of the squad returned from lockdown unfit. How can players on thousands of £££ not be arsed to do a jog and a few weights/press ups/crunches etc each day BUT more importantly why was the club not aware of the players’ non-fitness? There are apps which friends use to share daily jogs/daily cycle rides (distance, times, speeds etc) so why was the club not insisting on evidence? Yes the players have been totally unprofessional but also the club hierarchy has failed in this respect too. 'Heard a few stories' and 'there are reports' are about as reliable as a Rollex watch. Most seem to emanate from a 'friend of a friend' or 'a mate's sister's boyfriend' - why do they take off and are believed or used as a basis for further cobbled stories. Talk about setting the ball rolling! Or, just or, as reliable as your spelling of the brand Rolex. |
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Post by philb on Jul 14, 2020 19:59:54 GMT
To be fair the lack of fitness may partly be due to the general age of the squad. We seem to manage well for 60 minutes then tire for the last 30 in most games. We saw that against Brum as we played well 1st half with plenty of energy, then they brought on some young players and although we coped ok 2nd half there was a distinct lack of energy trying to get forward. Younger players in the squad is a must for next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 20:44:09 GMT
'Heard a few stories' and 'there are reports' are about as reliable as a Rollex watch. Most seem to emanate from a 'friend of a friend' or 'a mate's sister's boyfriend' - why do they take off and are believed or used as a basis for further cobbled stories. Talk about setting the ball rolling! Or, just or, as reliable as your spelling of the brand Rolex. That’s the whole point of the post. It’s meant to be spelt wrong. |
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