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Post by greenstokie on Nov 19, 2020 10:13:12 GMT
Still hard to believe that there are people here who think our POTY wont be missed...
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 19, 2020 20:10:18 GMT
Quick question, sorry if already asked but Why don’t all the players have to self isolate on the 14 day rule that were on the pitch that faced McClean on Sunday? Certainly those in the same changing room as him? Assuming someone is not coughing or sneezing all over you it takes 15 minutes of being in close contact with someone to catch it so no one on the pitch would have done that, the dressing rooms presumably are set up to ensure social distancing.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 19, 2020 20:13:33 GMT
Certainly those in the same changing room as him? Assuming someone is not coughing or sneezing all over you it takes 15 minutes of being in close contact with someone to catch it so no one on the pitch would have done that, the dressing rooms presumably are set up to ensure social distancing. You would hope so. But we all know changing rooms and footballers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 20:17:29 GMT
Still hard to believe that there are people here who think our POTY wont be missed... He won't be missed. He will soon be forgotten.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 19, 2020 20:46:18 GMT
Still hard to believe that there are people here who think our POTY wont be missed... He won't be missed. He will soon be forgotten. Correct. I'll break open a bottle of champagne when he leaves our club.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 21, 2020 12:02:12 GMT
Yes, we know you have hated him from Day 1....you made that very clear. He's one my favourite Stoke players I don't mind admitting. He's got his footballing faults but I like him for the incredible level of commitment and endeavour I see from him for this football club week in, week out, and he is a bloody useful player to have in a Championship team. Nowt else. I can separate my personal feelings for him for what he contributes on the football pitch. He's just not a very good player. Gives away possession a lot and his crossing is pretty shit at the best of times. But each to their own. I don't think any player could play 350ish games in the top two tiers of English football if they were "not a very good player".
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 21, 2020 12:06:43 GMT
Well if Jimmy Mac is considered poor Stoke must be awful as he is one of the first names I would put on the team sheet.⚓️
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 21, 2020 12:25:06 GMT
I can separate my personal feelings for him for what he contributes on the football pitch. He's just not a very good player. Gives away possession a lot and his crossing is pretty shit at the best of times. But each to their own. I don't think any player could play 350ish games in the top two tiers of English football if they were "not a very good player". Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 21, 2020 12:41:41 GMT
I don't think any player could play 350ish games in the top two tiers of English football if they were "not a very good player". Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. This is not "up and down the leagues" - it's the top two levels in the strongest football pyramid in the world
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 21, 2020 12:54:19 GMT
Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. This is not "up and down the leagues" - it's the top two levels in the strongest football pyramid in the world In all fairness we could go back and forth on this for hours and get nowhere. You've got your opinion and I have mine, and I don't think either of us will change our stance.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2020 13:17:03 GMT
He won't be missed. He will soon be forgotten. Correct. I'll break open a bottle of champagne when he leaves our club. The fact that he's been our POTY says more about our decline than him. After a Michelin star three course meal of Bojan, Arnie and Shaq we're now eating spaghetti hoops on toast.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 13:31:59 GMT
I don't think any player could play 350ish games in the top two tiers of English football if they were "not a very good player". Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. The population of Ireland is five million and the number on the pitch playing football for Ireland is eleven .That is not average , that is in the top eleven out of five million.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 13:55:10 GMT
Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. The population of Ireland is five million and the number on the pitch playing football for Ireland is eleven .That is not average , that is in the top eleven out of five million. Well, apart for the ~2.5 million women, the people deemed either too young or too old, the people that had no real interest in football, the people who were perhaps good enough but were never spotted, the people who were better but succumbed to injury..... I get the point you’re making here, but it is a flawed argument, especially when the international team is distinctly average also. I personally don’t believe that McClean is an average player for this division. I don’t think he’s a top player either, he sits somewhere in the middle of those distinctions in my opinion.
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Post by banksisgod on Nov 21, 2020 14:15:33 GMT
Let's face it; however they try to dress it up, there are people on here - everyone knows who they are - cannot get beyond the politics surrounding James McClean. Football simply doesn't come into it with these people, and James's contribution to charities (Donna Louise Trust etc.) is not considered, or is conveniently ignored. He is the Club's Player-of-the-Season, and runs himself to a standstill every time he puts on the shirt. Guaranteed. How many others can promise that? He gives more to the club and the community than some of the one-eyed fuckers on here, that's for sure.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 21, 2020 14:31:14 GMT
Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. The population of Ireland is five million and the number on the pitch playing football for Ireland is eleven .That is not average , that is in the top eleven out of five million. It's all relative isn't it. The players we describe as 'crap' on here (our own and the opposition's) would be head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch if they played at the shite level of football most of us have!
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Post by a on Nov 21, 2020 14:33:29 GMT
Still hard to believe that there are people here who think our POTY wont be missed... Maybe some don’t want to see past their own prejudices? I’d argue that he lacks quality but for what we need I’d say he’s perfect for us. Let’s be honest if we had 2012ish Jon Walters I’d have him playing on the other wing every day.
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Post by logdog on Nov 21, 2020 14:54:52 GMT
Love him or hate him, he’ll be missed. Don’t think we have anyone else who offers what he does. He’d be a pain in the arse to play against.
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Post by femark on Nov 21, 2020 15:01:39 GMT
I don't think any player could play 350ish games in the top two tiers of English football if they were "not a very good player". Plenty of bang average players earning a wage up and down the leagues. It's gone on for years. To believe this suggests that you know more than thousands of managers and coaches though and I'm fairly sure you don't.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Nov 21, 2020 15:14:31 GMT
We look better with him in the team. That's the top and bottom of it
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2021 15:05:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 15:20:33 GMT
He is right, however most of the abuse he gets is from his own actions. Black players are abused for the colour of their skin, next week it could happen to any one of them, i'm not aware of other Irish Catholics getting abused, at least not in England. Declan Rice received a lot of racist abuse and death threats, McClean played a part in that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2021 15:44:28 GMT
He is right, however most of the abuse he gets is from his own actions. Black players are abused for the colour of their skin, next week it could happen to any one of them, i'm not aware of other Irish Catholics getting abused, at least not in England. Declan Rice received a lot of racist abuse and death threats, McClean played a part in that. We all know why the abuse is channelled towards MClean, because he chooses not to wear a poppy as is his right.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 15:53:41 GMT
He is right, however most of the abuse he gets is from his own actions. Black players are abused for the colour of their skin, next week it could happen to any one of them, i'm not aware of other Irish Catholics getting abused, at least not in England. Declan Rice received a lot of racist abuse and death threats, McClean played a part in that. We all know why the abuse is channelled towards MClean, because he chooses not to wear a poppy as is his right....... Thats how it all started but if it was just about that it could of died down by now, its escalated and that is largely down to McClean. If he took some responsibility, especially after his balaclava 'joke' he could help stop it. What can black players do?
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Post by flea79 on Feb 12, 2021 16:03:08 GMT
he is at it again and quoting bobby sands.....
he is seriously deluded, he gets abuse because he opens himself up too it quoting bobby sands, calling stoke fans cunts (how he kept his job is amazing), wearing a ballie and claiming he is giving his kids a history lesson.
he really is the pits and is taking the piss out of us while collecting a wage from a country he seems to hate
it will be a nice easy sigh when he leaves, he courts controversy and i believe revels in it as it keeps him relevant, his football certainly doesnt sparkle much
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 12, 2021 16:15:32 GMT
I kinda like his attitude. Just a shame his football is not cashing the checks it writes at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:21:33 GMT
He is right, however most of the abuse he gets is from his own actions. Black players are abused for the colour of their skin, next week it could happen to any one of them, i'm not aware of other Irish Catholics getting abused, at least not in England. Declan Rice received a lot of racist abuse and death threats, McClean played a part in that. We all know why the abuse is channelled towards MClean, because he chooses not to wear a poppy as is his right....... Also he dresses up as a terrorist in front of his kids. Also turned his back on the English national anthem before playing for West Brom in a friendly. Quotes Bobby Sands on social media. Calls Martin McGuinness his hero. I am half Irish myself, my family came over and respected the traditions of this country and respected those who gave their lives so others could be safe. The man is a hypocrite who has bought nothing but bad news and more unsavoury headlines since he's played for us. I'll be one happy chappy when the day comes and he leaves our great club.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 12, 2021 16:30:38 GMT
he is at it again and quoting bobby sands..... he is seriously deluded, he gets abuse because he opens himself up too it quoting bobby sands, calling stoke fans cunts (how he kept his job is amazing), wearing a ballie and claiming he is giving his kids a history lesson. he really is the pits and is taking the piss out of us while collecting a wage from a country he seems to hate it will be a nice easy sigh when he leaves, he courts controversy and i believe revels in it as it keeps him relevant, his football certainly doesnt sparkle much To many on the other side of the divide Sands is a hero, that might not be particularly palatable but it's true. To them it would be no more distasteful than quoting Winston Churchill in Ireland.....
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Post by stokesaint1 on Feb 12, 2021 16:36:58 GMT
I'd just like him to keep his mouth shut and let his football do the talking, just like most footballers do. He continually, unnecessarily, invites controversy with his actions and comments.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:39:05 GMT
he is at it again and quoting bobby sands..... he is seriously deluded, he gets abuse because he opens himself up too it quoting bobby sands, calling stoke fans cunts (how he kept his job is amazing), wearing a ballie and claiming he is giving his kids a history lesson. he really is the pits and is taking the piss out of us while collecting a wage from a country he seems to hate it will be a nice easy sigh when he leaves, he courts controversy and i believe revels in it as it keeps him relevant, his football certainly doesnt sparkle much To many on the other side of the divide Sands is a hero, that might not be particularly palatable but it's true........ Its understandable back in his own community, but not in a country where the IRA murdered innocent people. I think the paras are heroes, but if I ever went to Derry I wouldn't say that.
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Post by neckender78 on Feb 12, 2021 16:54:19 GMT
He is right, however most of the abuse he gets is from his own actions. Black players are abused for the colour of their skin, next week it could happen to any one of them, i'm not aware of other Irish Catholics getting abused, at least not in England. Declan Rice received a lot of racist abuse and death threats, McClean played a part in that. We all know why the abuse is channelled towards MClean, because he chooses not to wear a poppy as is his right....... It's not just about not wearing a poppy is it tho. And you are insulting many people claiming that is the reason why when they do have an issue with his actions. Let's list just a few facts why many people might take issue with him. He has stated publicly that Martin McGuinness was his hero (who forget hiding behind a political wall was a terrorist godfather who sanctioned the murderers of hundreds of british civilians). He claims himself a proud fenian (the original brotherhood became the IRA) He posted a social media post of himself wearing our clubs shirt whilst quoting a convicted IRA terrorist. Purposely walked from the tunnel to the dug out during remembrance minutes silence v Boro. Why would he do that but to bring attention? Called a section of our support, uneducated caveman. The balaclava incident, while I'm sure he did it in jest he knew exactly what he was doing and that it would upset many British people. Am sure MON was delighted with that during a pandemic lockdown. I accept his background and the stance he takes with the poppy. Puzzling as to why he chose to play his trade in a nation he detests but that's his choice. He is marmite, anyone who wishes to fully support him that's fine but stop with the abuse "poppy police" "lack of intelligence etc" and accept people have issues with his stance and the above are reasons whether right or wrong that he brings abuse on himself. There are many Stoke supporters who will be thankful of the day he leaves our club.
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