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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 13, 2020 13:02:18 GMT
Watched him a few times this season and seen nothing to suggest he is anything more than a good Championship player at best. Reckon its his agent fishing all these big names to the press in hope that he can get one of them to take a nibble, he is another Jack Rodwell waiting to happen. He's been playing all season since September and is only a few months older than Sankoh who is our greatest young hope. A bit early to judge him especially in that Birmingham team. Young players need good players around them, giving advice on the pitch. Have you noticed how well Derby's eighteen year olds are doing since Rooney started playing? It seems to me that Bellingham is being expected to carry that team and he is getting frustrated when he can't.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 13, 2020 16:11:46 GMT
He only turned 17 a couple of weeks ago too. A pretty rare off day for him, but not really surprising with the team around him also having an off day. Yeah they were dreadful and he was clearly frustrated with them as much as anything. Which imo is a good sign. You don’t want him accepting their shit. He's a Bluenose born and bred too so I'm sure it's hurting him on that level as well. I know if I was 16/17, playing in a relegation battle for the team I grew up supporting and watching them capitulate against a local rival I'd be losing my mind too. He probably could have gone to Man U in January but did the sensible, right thing and stayed with his boyhood club. We need more young English players like Jude in my humble opinion.
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Post by Tosh on Jul 16, 2020 12:03:04 GMT
flying out to Dortmund for a medical apparently
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
flying out to Dortmund for a medical apparently Shite player 😂 It’ll be interesting to see how much game time he gets. I think he’ll play quite a lot tbh and that can only be good for him and England.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 16, 2020 12:24:24 GMT
flying out to Dortmund for a medical apparently Shite player 😂 It’ll be interesting to see how much game time he gets. I think he’ll play quite a lot tbh and that can only be good for him and England. Some people are just berserk😂😂😂
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 16, 2020 17:20:07 GMT
26 million football has gone mad
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Post by chad on Jul 17, 2020 9:14:56 GMT
So Brum are getting £30M for thar gobshite Bellingham (Played 30 games)yet our own wonder kid (Played 0) looks like going for sweet FA
Anybody explain ?
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 17, 2020 9:15:39 GMT
So Brum are getting £30M for thar gobshite Bellingham (Played 30 games)yet our own wonder kid (Played 0) looks like going for sweet FA Anybody explain ? Sankoh has not got a professional contract has he ?
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 17, 2020 9:16:25 GMT
I can’t mate I’m afraid 😤
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2020 9:20:58 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11899/12029949/jude-bellingham-the-story-behind-the-record-breaking-move-to-borussia-dortmundBellingham is still only on a schoolboy contract with the Championship club and could in theory sign a professional contract with any other club, and the fee be decided by tribunal. However, Birmingham had a professional contract ready for the 17-year-old to sign, and an agreement with Bellingham and his family - with whom they have a good relationship with - that they would sign, hence why a transfer fee is required to attain his services. almajir.net/2020/06/24/bellingham-contracts-and-fees/A good recent example of this was Louie Barry, who moved from West Bromwich Albion to Barcelona after he declined a contract offer from the Baggies. Because WBA have a category one academy, they were entitled to €250k from the Catalan giants – a scant reward for bringing through a highly rated player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 9:22:53 GMT
Bellingham is actually doing Brum a favour by signing a pro deal so they can get good money for him.
He didn't have to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:23:50 GMT
Birmingham played their kiddie, we didn't.
(They also got him to sign a pro deal before he left...)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2020 9:27:01 GMT
Bellingham is actually doing Brum a favour by signing a pro deal so they can get good money for him. He didn't have to. Yeah - he could have shafted them good and proper But, to be fair, he knew his reputation was ridiculously high so there'd be a queue even at £30m. Probably not the case with Sankoh, to be fair. But there'll be a long queue for him for a few hundred thousand compo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 9:28:29 GMT
Bellingham is actually doing Brum a favour by signing a pro deal so they can get good money for him. He didn't have to. Yeah - he could have shafted them good and proper But, to be fair, he knew his reputation was ridiculously high so there'd be a queue even at £30m. Probably not the case with Sankoh, to be fair. But there'll be a long queue for him for a few hundred thousand compo Definitely. It's just galling. Especially if we lose Josh Ireland too.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2020 11:16:33 GMT
Birmingham played their kiddie, we didn't. (They also got him to sign a pro deal before he left...) He's a year or so older Absolutely no way should Sankoh have played for the first time as yet, not ready If by some miracle he stays maybe this season
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2020 11:20:43 GMT
Yeah - he could have shafted them good and proper But, to be fair, he knew his reputation was ridiculously high so there'd be a queue even at £30m. Probably not the case with Sankoh, to be fair. But there'll be a long queue for him for a few hundred thousand compo Definitely. It's just galling. Especially if we lose Josh Ireland too. Similar cases across many clubs What's the answer? Playing 15 and 16 year olds isn't going to happen very often
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 11:27:48 GMT
Definitely. It's just galling. Especially if we lose Josh Ireland too. Similar cases across many clubs What's the answer? Playing 15 and 16 year olds isn't going to happen very often That's not the issue is it though? It's playing them when they're 17/18. I know it doesn't seem much it's that stage of their development/development path. Bundesliga clubs do it regularly. Why can't we? You'd hope the exodus of talent would wake clubs up.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2020 11:30:13 GMT
Similar cases across many clubs What's the answer? Playing 15 and 16 year olds isn't going to happen very often That's not the issue is it though? It's playing them when they're 17/18. I know it doesn't seem much it's that stage of their development/development path. Bundesliga clubs do it regularly. Why can't we? You'd hope the exodus of talent would wake clubs up. 17/18 yes at that age the clubs don't do anywhere near enough 15/16 is where I have sympathy for the clubs, completely vulnerable to the Sankoh/Ireland situation
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 11:31:42 GMT
That's not the issue is it though? It's playing them when they're 17/18. I know it doesn't seem much it's that stage of their development/development path. Bundesliga clubs do it regularly. Why can't we? You'd hope the exodus of talent would wake clubs up. 17/18 yes at that age the clubs don't do anywhere near enough 15/16 is where I have sympathy for the clubs, completely vulnerable to the Sankoh/Ireland situation They are but it's not about the immediate playing time now is it? They will have made that decision because they know in 12 months time when they could be playing at a decent level abroad they will either be in the 18s/23s or at Leek on loan.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2020 11:34:26 GMT
17/18 yes at that age the clubs don't do anywhere near enough 15/16 is where I have sympathy for the clubs, completely vulnerable to the Sankoh/Ireland situation They are but it's not about the immediate playing time now is it? They will have made that decision because they know in 12 months time when they could be playing at a decent level abroad they will either be in the 18s/23s or at Leek on loan. O'Neill appears keen to use the youngsters , if we can get rid of more senior players than we get in this summer that should continue.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 17, 2020 11:52:18 GMT
If you're good enough, you're old enough.
If he isn't playing, you have to trust the coaching team's opinion that he ain't (yet) good enough or 'ready'.
And hopefully, MoN's regime will signal the end of our reluctance to play anyone under 40 ; )
That said, there's obviously huge potential there and we should show him a clear, fast tracked pathway to the first team and get him signed on a deal so at least we get something decent if & when he does go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 12:39:16 GMT
Bottom line is nothing we can do about it. Bellingham is helping the club he supports, Sankoh like dozens of others his age who do the same has no loyalty to us and getting the best deal for himself. Hardly a so called only at Stoke scenario
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 17, 2020 12:48:00 GMT
Similar cases across many clubs What's the answer? Playing 15 and 16 year olds isn't going to happen very often That's not the issue is it though? It's playing them when they're 17/18. I know it doesn't seem much it's that stage of their development/development path. Bundesliga clubs do it regularly. Why can't we? You'd hope the exodus of talent would wake clubs up. The tried and tested wait until they're 20+ and then seek loans at the likes of Nantwich will start to pay dividends any time now. It's all part of the process.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 17, 2020 12:53:01 GMT
In a nutshell..... We're fuckin useless business wise!!! 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 17, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Very harsh Chad. You call him a gobshite. Well you know what fair play to a kid that age for stepping up. He could hide in the shadows but no he's got an opinion and obviously wants to do well.
Apart from snippets on telly I don't know much about him. Dortmund are no Muppets,look how Sancho has developed.
I say good luck to the kid. On here we had a thread slagging Brewster off based on a poor 90 minutes against us. Since when he's scored for fun.
Very harsh on the kid and I hope he does well at Dortmund
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 13:01:27 GMT
That's not the issue is it though? It's playing them when they're 17/18. I know it doesn't seem much it's that stage of their development/development path. Bundesliga clubs do it regularly. Why can't we? You'd hope the exodus of talent would wake clubs up. The tried and tested wait until they're 20+ and then seek loans at the likes of Nantwich will start to pay dividends any time now. It's all part of the process. It's a model that Europe is showing is a load of nonsense. Why are English 17 year olds good enough for the Bundesliga but not the PL/Champo/L1/L2? More managers and clubs in England need to buy into playing them earlier. Because the talent is there. It is happening but not in the numbers it should be.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 17, 2020 17:13:04 GMT
Bellingham is actually doing Brum a favour by signing a pro deal so they can get good money for him. He didn't have to. That's exactly why the deal went the way it did, I posted this on another Bellingham thread back in March: "From what I'm gathering from the updates on there now, according to Blues ITKs he's going to sign a pro contract with Brum before he signs for Dortmund. That will mean he gets much less in wages but Birmingham will get a much needed cash injection. His dad is his manager so I absolutely believe that scenario, and it's brilliant if true (not that I'm arsed about Birmingham getting money, just very impressed with his attitude)." Not ITK in any way, but I used to work with Jude's dad (also his manager now) and he is an absolutely brilliant bloke so I imagine he has brought Jude up the same way.
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Post by chad on Jul 17, 2020 17:54:50 GMT
Very harsh Chad. You call him a gobshite. Well you know what fair play to a kid that age for stepping up. He could hide in the shadows but no he's got an opinion and obviously wants to do well. Apart from snippets on telly I don't know much about him. Dortmund are no Muppets,look how Sancho has developed. I say good luck to the kid. On here we had a thread slagging Brewster off based on a poor 90 minutes against us. Since when he's scored for fun. Very harsh on the kid and I hope he does well at Dortmund To be honest it probably is unfair. Just based it on his performance against Stoke in which he did very little other than mouth off If it’s true he signed for Brum in order for them to cash in then I’d have to say I’d respect him for that
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 17, 2020 18:02:10 GMT
A friend of mines son played with him in the youth side and my friend said he is a lovely lad very grounded and his parents are spot on with him
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Post by madnellie on Jul 17, 2020 18:05:36 GMT
Very harsh Chad. You call him a gobshite. Well you know what fair play to a kid that age for stepping up. He could hide in the shadows but no he's got an opinion and obviously wants to do well. Apart from snippets on telly I don't know much about him. Dortmund are no Muppets,look how Sancho has developed. I say good luck to the kid. On here we had a thread slagging Brewster off based on a poor 90 minutes against us. Since when he's scored for fun. Very harsh on the kid and I hope he does well at Dortmund To be honest it probably is unfair. Just based it on his performance against Stoke in which he did very little other than mouth off If it’s true he signed for Brum in order for them to cash in then I’d have to say I’d respect him for that Fair play mate. He only turned 17 two weeks ago, he's a Bluenose through and through and his team were playing like crap against local, relegation rivals. I think he was very restrained
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