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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2020 21:04:23 GMT
There'll be a few Guinness drunk in the Republic tonight
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 11, 2020 21:20:04 GMT
RIP Jack.
Thanks great man
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 11, 2020 21:31:17 GMT
70 goals for Leeds too Superb He scored 96 goals for Leeds and is their 9th highest all time goal scorer. He played for 18 seasons* between 1955 and 1973, averaging 5 goals a season. *He made his debut for Leeds in the last game of the 1952-53 season. After which he had to serve two years' national service with the Household Cavalry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 21:37:27 GMT
There'll be a few Guinness drunk in the Republic tonight Did incredible for us Wasn't the nicest guy I ever met but what he did in football was fantastic. Good speed Jack
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 11, 2020 22:30:09 GMT
Great player and a great bloke. As someone else has said above... a true working class hero. But that can be said of many from the North East who went on to make great footballers. As a person, I always preferred Jack to Bobby even though Bobby became the most famous of the two. Such a shame him and Bobby didn't get on too well, but that's because Bobby became a toff in the footballing world and Jack always kept his working class feet on the ground. I reckon Smithy and Bluto will be sad today. They were made of the same stuff. RIP Big Man. OS doffs flat cap. Now is probably the wrong time to talk about the strained relationship between Jack and Bobby and we are not privy to their innermost feelings, but I don't believe it was because Bobby "became a toff". Reading both their autobiographies* (in Bobby's case the "ManU years", not the "England Years") they both refer to the strained relationship between Bobby's wife and the Charlton's mother Cissie. It appears, following his marriage, Bobby distanced himself from the family, presumably in support of his wife, which is natural. Jack took exception to that, particularly as Cissie doted on Bobby. Jack also revealed that Bobby was upset when his parents turned up at ManU without telling him they were coming, and did not always visit the family home when he visited the north east. But what increased the strain was Jack going public about their private family relations and his comments about his wife, Norma, which really got Bobby very annoyed. Bobby is a very sensitive bloke and withdrew into his own and wife's company when they were married, and lead a private life. Jack is just the opposite being very gregarious and outspoken. It takes all sorts, but from their books they clearly still loved each other, despite their differences. This is purely my interpretation from their writings on the matter. I have not inside knowledge. Both have been giants in the English game and were major contributors to achieving England's only major football trophy. (Our club trophies having been won with multi-national teams.) *Ref.: Jack autob'y pages 308-312. Bobby's autob'y 158-159.
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Post by Gods on Jul 11, 2020 22:32:16 GMT
Legends Ronnie (RIP) and Shane
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 22:47:30 GMT
Rest in Peace Big Jack Sadly we are in an era where we are rapidly going to say goodbye to the 1966 heroes. As PP said he's up there with Banks, Moore, Ball, Peters and Wilson now And Nobby Stiles, RIP Jack Stiles isn’t dead
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Post by steve66 on Jul 12, 2020 8:22:14 GMT
R.I.P big fella, a real hero for me, a true man’s man.
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 12, 2020 9:03:44 GMT
And Nobby Stiles, RIP Jack Stiles isn’t dead Oops sorry nobby. My mistake
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 12, 2020 9:08:40 GMT
R.I.P big man, another world Cup winner not knighted.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 13, 2020 17:37:37 GMT
It’s a scandal that one by one they are dying without the knighthood that lesser sportsmen and women have received
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Post by liathroid on Jul 13, 2020 17:43:47 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2020 19:56:57 GMT
It’s a scandal that one by one they are dying without the knighthood that lesser sportsmen and women have received It's simply a symptom of the war against the working class. Football for all it's all pervasiveness is still our game and not theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 22:38:53 GMT
A great interview with Jack and his mum.....
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 14, 2020 4:58:26 GMT
Great player and a great bloke. As someone else has said above... a true working class hero. But that can be said of many from the North East who went on to make great footballers. As a person, I always preferred Jack to Bobby even though Bobby became the most famous of the two. Such a shame him and Bobby didn't get on too well, but that's because Bobby became a toff in the footballing world and Jack always kept his working class feet on the ground. I reckon Smithy and Bluto will be sad today. They were made of the same stuff. RIP Big Man. OS doffs flat cap. Bobby isn't a toff. His life just had a very different trajectory to Jack. From the moment Bobby stood on a football pitch he was destined for greatness. And he knew it. Whereas Jack had to scrap and fight for everything he got. Combine the natural sense of destiny with the survivor's guilt Bobby can appear to be aloof. In reality he's just a more introverted character who's had to battle demons.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 14, 2020 11:45:34 GMT
Great player and a great bloke. As someone else has said above... a true working class hero. But that can be said of many from the North East who went on to make great footballers. As a person, I always preferred Jack to Bobby even though Bobby became the most famous of the two. Such a shame him and Bobby didn't get on too well, but that's because Bobby became a toff in the footballing world and Jack always kept his working class feet on the ground. I reckon Smithy and Bluto will be sad today. They were made of the same stuff. RIP Big Man. OS doffs flat cap. Bobby isn't a toff. His life just had a very different trajectory to Jack. From the moment Bobby stood on a football pitch he was destined for greatness. And he knew it. Whereas Jack had to scrap and fight for everything he got. Combine the natural sense of destiny with the survivor's guilt Bobby can appear to be aloof. In reality he's just a more introverted character who's had to battle demons. I'm lucky enough to have met Bobby a few times through various networks. I consider it a great privilege. I never had the remotest impression of him being a toff. He's naturally quiet, reflective mild natured gentleman I would say. He was obviously very hurt about the family incident with Jack because of the public nature of it, it is not his style. He was asked about it many times and has made it clear he wasn't happy about it but never sought to pour fire on fire and its good that they resolved it over time. As stated just because someone is quiet and introverted does not mean they are aloof. Just a very different character to Jackie whose charm was that he wore his heart on his sleeve. Extremely proud of his working class roots. Both have made monumental contributions to our football heritage. I have to say, even though I despise our honours system, Jack not being knighted is a disgrace but does not surprise me one bit.
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Post by thequietman on Jul 14, 2020 11:53:04 GMT
I didn’t realize Norman “bites-yer-legs” passed as well. Norm and Jack were the bedrock of the Leeds defence. I didn’t feel they were dirty players, just hard as nails, like Bluto and Big Denis. Every successful team had two of those players. The dirty players were Billie Bremner and Johnnie Giles. Big Jack got into trouble for announcing he kept a black book with the names of players he was going to even with before he retired. I don’t know if he achieved his objective or named names. RIP As others have said, a proper gentleman was Jack. Met him a couple of times when I was working at Elland Road (agent Quietman on the dirty Leeds finance team in the early 2000's .... I'd like to say I did my bit for football ).
Always had time for a chat, always with a dry sense of humour & good perspective. When he found out I was a Stokie he was very complimentary about our early 70's team. Apparently we were a great team to play against; a fair but hard bunch who could take it & dish it out in equal regard . Knew quite a bit about other sports, not just football. Could talk fishing from sunrise to sunset. And he pushed to me to try & qualify for Ireland in my own sport (tenpin bowling) under the grandparent rule (a grandad born in Galway)
Only met Norman the once. Think it was first thing on a Monday morning after Liverpool had thumped Leeds the previous day. He stormed up the stairs behind me, forcing me to run. Burst into the offices, threw a chair across the room & walked out again. I all but sh4t myself.
Big Jack lost to lymphoma & dementia, Norman to Covid-19. What horrible ways to go.
RIP to both of them.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 14, 2020 12:53:07 GMT
I didn’t realize Norman “bites-yer-legs” passed as well. Norm and Jack were the bedrock of the Leeds defence. I didn’t feel they were dirty players, just hard as nails, like Bluto and Big Denis. Every successful team had two of those players. The dirty players were Billie Bremner and Johnnie Giles. Big Jack got into trouble for announcing he kept a black book with the names of players he was going to even with before he retired. I don’t know if he achieved his objective or named names. RIP As others have said, a proper gentleman was Jack. Met him a couple of times when I was working at Elland Road (agent Quietman on the dirty Leeds finance team in the early 2000's .... I'd like to say I did my bit for football ). Always had time for a chat, always with a dry sense of humour & good perspective. When he found out I was a Stokie he was very complimentary about our early 70's team. Apparently we were a great team to play against; a fair but hard bunch who could take it & dish it out in equal regard . Knew quite a bit about other sports, not just football. Could talk fishing from sunrise to sunset. And he pushed to me to try & qualify for Ireland in my own sport (tenpin bowling) under the grandparent rule (a grandad born in Galway) Only met Norman the once. Think it was first thing on a Monday morning after Liverpool had thumped Leeds the previous day. He stormed up the stairs behind me, forcing me to run. Burst into the offices, threw a chair across the room & walked out again. I all but sh4t myself.
Big Jack lost to lymphoma & dementia, Norman to Covid-19. What horrible ways to go. RIP to both of them.
When Jack managed Middlesbrough there was an agreement he could have a few days off each week to go fishing 🎣.
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 14, 2020 13:17:36 GMT
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Post by thequietman on Jul 14, 2020 14:20:38 GMT
As others have said, a proper gentleman was Jack. Met him a couple of times when I was working at Elland Road (agent Quietman on the dirty Leeds finance team in the early 2000's .... I'd like to say I did my bit for football ). Always had time for a chat, always with a dry sense of humour & good perspective. When he found out I was a Stokie he was very complimentary about our early 70's team. Apparently we were a great team to play against; a fair but hard bunch who could take it & dish it out in equal regard . Knew quite a bit about other sports, not just football. Could talk fishing from sunrise to sunset. And he pushed to me to try & qualify for Ireland in my own sport (tenpin bowling) under the grandparent rule (a grandad born in Galway) Only met Norman the once. Think it was first thing on a Monday morning after Liverpool had thumped Leeds the previous day. He stormed up the stairs behind me, forcing me to run. Burst into the offices, threw a chair across the room & walked out again. I all but sh4t myself.
Big Jack lost to lymphoma & dementia, Norman to Covid-19. What horrible ways to go. RIP to both of them.
When Jack managed Middlesbrough there was an agreement he could have a few days off each week to go fishing 🎣. 6 days a week, I believe Joe I asked him about his time in management & got a good 15 minute spiel as to where the best fishing rivers were in relation to each club. He loved the Irish job as he had so much time to go fluff chucking.
Moves afoot to have him posthumously knighted. Rightly so.
Some great quotes in that article.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 14, 2020 15:37:39 GMT
When Jack managed Middlesbrough there was an agreement he could have a few days off each week to go fishing 🎣. 6 days a week, I believe Joe I asked him about his time in management & got a good 15 minute spiel as to where the best fishing rivers were in relation to each club. He loved the Irish job as he had so much time to go fluff chucking. Moves afoot to have him posthumously knighted. Rightly so. Some great quotes in that article.
A posthumous knighthood is about as worthwhile as a posthumous pardon, none. They had 54 years to award one to give him one now would be worse than an insult.
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Post by thequietman on Jul 15, 2020 15:26:34 GMT
6 days a week, I believe Joe I asked him about his time in management & got a good 15 minute spiel as to where the best fishing rivers were in relation to each club. He loved the Irish job as he had so much time to go fluff chucking. Moves afoot to have him posthumously knighted. Rightly so. Some great quotes in that article.
A posthumous knighthood is about as worthwhile as a posthumous pardon, none. They had 54 years to award one to give him one now would be worse than an insult. I get what you're saying. It would be something for his family, though.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 20, 2020 2:12:09 GMT
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Post by greenstokie on Jul 21, 2020 21:41:41 GMT
So long Big Jack. An honorary Irishman, RIP
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 29, 2021 13:03:14 GMT
Tonight at 9pm, should be a good watch.....
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 29, 2021 16:53:47 GMT
Tonight at 9pm, should be a good watch..... Will be watching this tonight Having lost my dad last month to this terrible disease I know the impact it has 😢
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