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Post by ted1965 on Jul 10, 2020 11:54:04 GMT
We have a squad that has a lot of players who believe they are much better than they actually are. I don’t understand how considering the results and performances over the last few years.
Butland, had gone backwards he has become stale and we probably should have cashed in long ago it’s pretty much too late now. We would probably struggle to get back what we paid for him, he’s gone from a possible 25 million keeper to an ordinary Championship keeper who will probably rediscover his form after a 3 million move behind a defence who can actually defend and give him a little confidence back. The rest of our keepers are average at best but it is what it is.
The defence in front of them is beyond woeful at times. Ryan, sadly seems to be injured more than available and I sadly think it’s likely to change he has been amazing since he came here but all good things come to an end. Collins needs fitness and time but I believe he will be a more than decent player for us. BMI has struggled to adjust to Championship football some players are simply never able to adjust to that level. The rest of them are lower Championship or league 1 ar best and sadly it shows so often, the complete lack of game awareness when faced with clever players who understand movement and space is shocking.
The right full backs are nothing more than okay which considering Smith still has total brain fades like yesterday it shows how far from the required levels we are. The reason we are in the bottom half of the Championship is because that is where our defenders lack of ability to defend or think under pressure has left us. As for the left back I will comment on one when he plays.
The midfield is supposed to be the engine room that makes the whole team tick over, shame we don’t a balanced one that can function more than one game in five to do so. They all look much the same Cousins is simply average for a league 1 player and sadly not good enough to be finding a place in a decent Championship side, not his fault and he tries hard but he simply isn’t good enough. We lack someone who can win the ball and pass it on the very thing that makes a midfield function. The lack of real pace is frightening from a club that not so long ago was playing at the highest level. Do we actually look for anyone who can be described as power packed and quick? I often wonder what the hell our transfer team do I get this feeling the first priority is do we know the name, how often has he been injured and can he plod on for another few years. It’s pathetic considering all the money we have thrown at these last few seasons in the Championship and have so little to show for it.
Wingers if we are going to play them or wide forwards again we have Campbell and the lad is still green but lots of promise and he will be a decent player over the next few years whether it will be here is another matter altogether.
Vokes and Gregory are very much the epitome of where we are, both are okay and have bagged a few goals over the years but they seem very much in decline which gives us a lot of problems it doesn’t mean they can’t perform just means it won’t be consistent and we need consistency from here on in.
We have an academy which was supposed to produce players for a Premiership club but it seems to be struggling to bring Championship players through right now, yes Campbell has emerged and Collins looks a decent prospect but in honesty that seems to be it at the moment which really is head scratching. I want to be completely made to east humble pie over the next few seasons but how on earth would we even keep half decent prospects if we slip back into the lower leagues.
The structure of the club needed changing after we slept walked out of the Premier League but it didn’t all we got in reality was a lot of bluster with very little change, yes we changed managers on two occasions but the club structure remained pretty much the same. The owners need to shake this club down from the top and give some actual football structure to the club. I understand it’s a business but considering how successful Bet365 have been compared to Stoke City over the last 5 years it’s like two different worlds. We are more like the old back street bookmaker hiding from the police while taking 50 pence bets from punters while our better off cousins are making billions from a well-run organization.
We found MON but that was more luck than judgement he was doing an amazing job all things considered and yes I do believe we would have comfortably survived had a global pandemic not changed the course of the season. The question is will some Championship club look at his overall reacord and the mess we were in before he arrived and think he could be the answer for us, even if we survive the next 4 games and begin next season in the Championship. Of course regulations may come to our rescue but I hope those in charge look at how this club has declined in such a short time and finally make some real behind the scenes changes to bring some real stability back to the club. If not then on shaky foundations things can only become more fraught for all of us long suffering supporters.
Last night’s game was a perfect example of where we are, yes Leeds are much better side right now but some of the errors in judgement and game management were shocking. The result didn’t flatter us in reality we deserved more by way of a hiding but Smith’s ludicrous judgement to give away a penalty so softly sums Stoke City up right now. The second half was a travesty of allowing a good side to waltz through open spaces while our defenders followed the ball like kids in a playground leaving acres of space for clever players to reep the rewards but it wasn’t exactly difficult. I have seen enough football in my time so a heavy defeat isn’t anything new but just inviting it is a totally different matter. After the second goal was gifted to Leeds the players simply let the heads drop and I sat there thinking this could be anything if they don’t wake from their slumbers fast.
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Post by march4 on Jul 10, 2020 12:02:19 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club.
It is the only way forwards.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 10, 2020 12:05:05 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. Well he ran the club for them before so yeah I would actually go for that right now. Its better than carrying on as we are in any event. I know you are in for some stick for this post but I am actually going to agree with you. Edit, but it would mean TS going so we know it will not happen sadly. |
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 10, 2020 12:14:51 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. Not sure I'd give him that much control but I'd certainly let him be in charge of discipline, fitness levels and growing a heart and a pair of bollocks for the shower we have. |
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Post by Northy on Jul 10, 2020 12:32:10 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. Would never work, any potential manager would know he's only a few bad results from TP stepping in and putting up the defensive wall |
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 12:36:43 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. What that basically says to any manager who comes through the door is ‘This man will take your job if you fuck it up.’ Never in a million years. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 10, 2020 13:23:25 GMT
Here are the two scenarios of what happens from here:
WE GET RELEGATED - Sweep it under the rug, hard luck, there's no issue, what left-back situation, what's all the fuss about, we go again.
WE STAY UP - Sweep it under the rug, hard luck, there's no issue, what left-back situation, what's all the fuss about, we go again.
Both options come with a complimentary letter saying lessons have been learned, please please please renew your season tickets (we've not put the prices up don't you know?)
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 20:04:26 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. What that basically says to any manager who comes through the door is ‘This man will take your job if you fuck it up.’ Never in a million years. [br Pulis as I said in November was the only choice based on experience knowledge record willingness to come and understanding of the club unless you had a vested interest in not appointing him |
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Post by fca47 on Jul 10, 2020 20:57:39 GMT
To put it simply we need to stop buying has beens on the way down and recruit younger players with something to prove. We haven't used the loan market well, again bringing in old has beens, mainly, unlike teams like Brentford and West Brom.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 10, 2020 21:26:32 GMT
The club's intentions have been good; the amount of money spent shows it, it's been an obscene amount. But as this post says, structure is definitely needed. For me it goes deeper in that the club need a strategy that is clear to identify for all and they go all in with whatever the strategy is.
Signing Jones as a manager who's team relies upon youth, athleticism, pace and full backs and then not selling Ince and McLean to get the tools he needs.
We've got MON whos previous club career success has not been immediate and is instead done by breaking up a club and creating his own team in his vision. If we bin him off now or even in a year's time it's too early.
The problem with all this is, if the club doesn't achieve their objectives then scholes has to sack the manager to save his own position.
Scholes needs to accept alot of uncomfortable decisions this summer and get rid of alot of players purchased at high prices who are with nothing now or will cost the club money to bin them.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2020 21:48:17 GMT
Couldn't we just move O'Neil up to director of football
And nick Cook off Wigan and half his squad
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2020 21:57:13 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. What that basically says to any manager who comes through the door is ‘This man will take your job if you fuck it up.’ Never in a million years. Sounds good to me |
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Post by march4 on Jul 10, 2020 22:52:04 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. Would never work, any potential manager would know he's only a few bad results from TP stepping in and putting up the defensive wall So what. Best outcome for everyone. |
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2020 7:45:45 GMT
Would never work, any potential manager would know he's only a few bad results from TP stepping in and putting up the defensive wall So what. Best outcome for everyone.  TP's bank balance and the stadium cleaners (not as much mess to clean up as fans stay away) |
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Post by zerps on Jul 11, 2020 7:48:38 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. The rimmers woukd take over the asylum |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 11, 2020 7:56:43 GMT
We need some sackings - end of
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 11, 2020 9:26:55 GMT
Make TP Director of Football and put him in charge of all decisions at the club. It is the only way forwards. I think Theo Paphitis looks good on Dragons Den but I’m not sure about his footballing credentials? 😀😀 |
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 11, 2020 9:29:40 GMT
Couldn't we just move O'Neil up to director of football And nick Cook off Wigan and half his squad Who’s Nick Cook? 🤭 |
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 11, 2020 9:30:03 GMT
Couldn't we just move O'Neil up to director of football And nick Cook off Wigan and half his squad Who’s Nick Cook? 🤭 |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2020 9:58:56 GMT
Couldn't we just move O'Neil up to director of football And nick Cook off Wigan and half his squad Who’s Nick Cook? 🤭 Wrong first name should of read Paul |
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