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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 2:56:55 GMT
I've got no idea of the quality in league 1.
I do know however that this team is shite quality wise and abysmal for effort.
I'd imagine plenty of shite in the league but also more effort because of this leading to some embarrassing loses if we kept the same team
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 3:26:26 GMT
I think they'd struggle in a training match between each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 4:00:41 GMT
We would finish bottom half.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 6:16:38 GMT
The problem will be the potential 4 week turnaround meaning no real time to make the personnel changes we’d all want to see. Then there‘a the relegation hangover that would be difficult to shake off, so I think we’d struggle to hit the ground running.
All of which would be doubly hard if we were bringing a new management team in as well......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 6:23:15 GMT
It's a hard one to judge. That league is absolutely pitiful in quality but big on heart and desire.
Would our squad have enough quality to overcome that or would they be outfought most weeks? The issue we've still got is the hangover from the Premier League relegation that was never sorted out despite the owners and their half witted overhaul statement. We've since added to that hangover and compounded the misery.
I wouldn't bet a bag of washers on this lot and i'm fast getting to the point where I wouldn't cross the road to watch them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us rinse the league equally as much as it wouldn't surprise me to see us completely implode and go down again.
I have no faith in the owners any more, never had faith in the CEO, am fastly losing patience with a manager that is making stupid mistakes and the entire squad I hold in utter contempt.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 6:29:38 GMT
It's a hard one to judge. That league is absolutely pitiful in quality but big on heart and desire. Would our squad have enough quality to overcome that or would they be outfought most weeks? The issue we've still got is the hangover from the Premier League relegation that was never sorted out despite the owners and their half witted overhaul statement. We've since added to that hangover and compounded the misery. I wouldn't bet a bag of washers on this lot and i'm fast getting to the point where I wouldn't cross the road to watch them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us rinse the league equally as much as it wouldn't surprise me to see us completely implode and go down again. I have no faith in the owners any more, never had faith in the CEO, am fastly losing patience with a manager that is making stupid mistakes and the entire squad I hold in utter contempt. Other than that you think pretty highly of them 😉 , I don’t disagree by the way albeit I think some of the players are being labelled by their colleges Campbell , Allen , Collins , Smith actually . Powell , McLean will I’m sure still do well elsewhere which in turn says the manager hadn’t addressed some of the key issues , having 3 of our best 4 midfielders out on loan as we get relegated is criminal by all those in authority .
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Post by Gods on Jul 10, 2020 6:31:39 GMT
Will there defintely be a League 1 starting in 8 weeks time?
With no paying fans and no TV interest is it even viable?
Perhaps it could be run as semi pro until fans are let back in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 6:32:23 GMT
It's a hard one to judge. That league is absolutely pitiful in quality but big on heart and desire. Would our squad have enough quality to overcome that or would they be outfought most weeks? The issue we've still got is the hangover from the Premier League relegation that was never sorted out despite the owners and their half witted overhaul statement. We've since added to that hangover and compounded the misery. I wouldn't bet a bag of washers on this lot and i'm fast getting to the point where I wouldn't cross the road to watch them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us rinse the league equally as much as it wouldn't surprise me to see us completely implode and go down again. I have no faith in the owners any more, never had faith in the CEO, am fastly losing patience with a manager that is making stupid mistakes and the entire squad I hold in utter contempt. Other than that you think pretty highly of them 😉 , I don’t disagree by the way albeit I think some of the players are being labelled by their colleges Campbell , Allen , Collins , Smith actually . Powell , McLean will I’m sure still do well elsewhere which in turn says the manager hadn’t addressed some of the key issues , having 3 of our best 4 midfielders out on loan as we get relegated is criminal by all those in authority . I should have spelled it out better, the young players I'm taking out of the equation. I'm talking about all of the senior players, bar Powell.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 6:34:45 GMT
Other than that you think pretty highly of them 😉 , I don’t disagree by the way albeit I think some of the players are being labelled by their colleges Campbell , Allen , Collins , Smith actually . Powell , McLean will I’m sure still do well elsewhere which in turn says the manager hadn’t addressed some of the key issues , having 3 of our best 4 midfielders out on loan as we get relegated is criminal by all those in authority . I should have spelled it out better, the young players I'm taking out of the equation. I'm talking about all of the senior players, bar Powell. Understandable given the circumstances , I was listening to ally Maoist yesterday exposing the impact senior players at st Johnstone had on him as a youngster and how grateful he was , that must be a concern in our dressing room right now who are they learning from
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 6:37:28 GMT
I should have spelled it out better, the young players I'm taking out of the equation. I'm talking about all of the senior players, bar Powell. Understandable given the circumstances , I was listening to ally Maoist yesterday exposing the impact senior players at st Johnstone had on him as a youngster and how grateful he was , that must be a concern in our dressing room right now who are they learning from The bigger concern for me is that it is the youngsters who seem to be the most professional, and the one's setting the examples (Edwards excepted). Both Sorensen and Collins were brought into the team based on what work they'd done in the lockdown period fitness wise, and Campbell is our only genuine goal threat.
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Post by britvic72 on Jul 10, 2020 6:49:53 GMT
This team would struggle in the PDSL.
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Post by jzime on Jul 10, 2020 7:29:53 GMT
We were deservedly beaten in the FA Cup by Coventry in 2018, when they were a League Two side. There has been a significant overhaul in the squad since then, but none of the lessons have been learnt and the poor mentality of the squad has not been addressed; we have just kept going further and further backwards, so there is no reason to think we could do well. Over the course of a whole league season, I would not have any confidence in our players to get us out of the third tier and I can't see any evidence to suggest we'd be anything but another Sunderland.
Stay up this season, by hook or by crook, and I might have some confidence we would get some of the wasters out and let MON bring in his own sorts of players. If we go down, I'm not sure that will be possible.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2020 7:32:32 GMT
We’d struggle in any league with this set of players who lack heart and desire
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 10, 2020 7:43:24 GMT
Similar to last season 14th, 15th or 16th. Most players finding their standard but couldn't be arsed. Unsure MON is championship or even league 1 standard but he'd be happier in lower tiers than we are now. Owners and CEO to continue pretending and flapping around like demented seals.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 10, 2020 9:58:10 GMT
These lazy pricks struggle to get out of bed never mind
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 10, 2020 10:31:01 GMT
Just like I think this squad would be capable of challenging for the Championship playoffs next season, in League One we could equally romp home with 90+ points or struggle at the bottom. Neither would surprise me. I'd be more confident if O'Neill stays rather than changing things again. theonlooker mentions heart and desire, so if the mental barriers can be overcome and that can be instilled back into the squad, we would stand a good chance of an immediate promotion. After what's happened in the Championship, I'd hope no one would be stupid enough to have the attitude that we'd romp home. I think we have the basis of a good League One squad with a mix of youth and experience. To name two, Souttar did well on loan at Fleetwood, and I can't see Shawcross going anywhere. Though I can't see Campbell staying if we were relegated, though given the turnaround O'Neill managed to get him to re-sign, who knows. Anyway, I'm hoping for a 4-0 vs Barnsley-style revival against Birmingham, which will give us a fighting chance of staying up.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 10, 2020 10:34:47 GMT
At least we'll still be able to beat Barnsley!
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 10, 2020 10:38:46 GMT
With this team we would struggle hugely. My perception is that physicality, fitness, toughness and heart are the main attributes over skill in League 1. As our current shower possesse none of these skills we are basically fucked. Get 11 from the Dog and Duck pub team and stick them in a Stoke strip and we would be in with a better chance. I am so pissed if with this current squad.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2020 11:20:36 GMT
The last time this flood of dysentry played a L1 side they (I refuse to use the term 'we' when discussing these wankers) lost after going 2-0 up at home. And then couldn't even beat one of the smallest teams in L2, again despite taking the lead.
I genuinely believe the club could be looking at it's lowest ever league placing if relegation happens. Another 'Alan Ball humiliation at Springfield Park' or 'Brian Little-style tailspin' is a matter of months away- something that will be used as a reference point for years to come.
I can't think of another Stoke side I've felt like this about. We've had lower points before but that was due to no money spent on the team. I think I loathe this mob more than Arsenal, Wolves and The Shit right now.
To get a collection of players so lacking in skill, effort, heart, ability to do the basics consistently (yesterday was like watching two sides playing two different sports) and anything approaching one likeable trait- after so much money spent- is unlikely to ever be repeated in professional football. And, in the absence of anything on the field approaching success, that's an achievement in itself!
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2020 11:21:14 GMT
Will there defintely be a League 1 starting in 8 weeks time? With no paying fans and no TV interest is it even viable? Perhaps it could be run as semi pro until fans are let back in. We are semi-pro.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 10, 2020 11:28:58 GMT
Will there defintely be a League 1 starting in 8 weeks time? With no paying fans and no TV interest is it even viable? Perhaps it could be run as semi pro until fans are let back in. We are semi-pro. That's insulting to semi professionals.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 11:44:33 GMT
This squad would struggle in league Div. 2.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 10, 2020 11:44:40 GMT
Any team, playing with a total lack of cohesion, unable to be motivated and committing the most basic of errors would struggle in any league in the world, never mind the 3rd tier of English Professional Football.
If the squad couldn't recover from a Premier League hangover, why would it suddenly react to a Championship relegation? I keep saying it, as do others that even if we do scramble to survival this year then we will be in a similar situation if we next season if we simply carry on as normal. The board need to stop pretending that this is bad luck and reform their working practices.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 10, 2020 11:47:26 GMT
Playing three at the back, probably.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 10, 2020 11:56:05 GMT
Every team would view a visit from Stoke as their cup final, especially the likes of Rochdale, Crewe and Gillingham. Although lacking in skill the teams would run forever to try and beat a big name. From our last visit to that division there would be some harrowing defeats before we could assemble any sort of team. Let us not forget it took Gudjon, with a big budget, forever just to get to a playoff final. As has been mentioned it's unlikely that any football will take place until fans can be allowed into stadiums. There doesn't seem to be any news on when "indoor" events will be allowed. Although my guess will be October/November. 20s on Quest doesn't pay for much sadly. Also would any of our name players (even say Cousins, Lyndsey or Smith) be prepared to be on high-street wages? The need to remain in our current division couldn't be greater.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 10, 2020 12:01:55 GMT
Also would any of our name players (even say Cousins, Lyndsey or Smith) be prepared to be on high-street wages? They'd better get used to it because after their cushy contracts at Stoke are up they'll be working in fucking Shoe Zone.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 10, 2020 12:43:42 GMT
Also would any of our name players (even say Cousins, Lyndsey or Smith) be prepared to be on high-street wages? They'd better get used to it because after their cushy contracts at Stoke are up they'll be working in fucking Shoe Zone. I doubt it because they don't seem to be able to put them on the right away around currently.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 10, 2020 12:52:36 GMT
Also would any of our name players (even say Cousins, Lyndsey or Smith) be prepared to be on high-street wages? They'd better get used to it because after their cushy contracts at Stoke are up they'll be working in fucking Shoe Zone. Not sure if Cousins is capable of tying a shoe laces
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 10, 2020 12:53:00 GMT
Top half, but I doubt we’d trouble the automatic spots. Given that we’ve battered some teams this season, we’d no doubt do the same in a lower league, but we lack the team spirit and leadership that all successful teams have.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 10, 2020 13:10:47 GMT
It's a hard one to judge. That league is absolutely pitiful in quality but big on heart and desire. Would our squad have enough quality to overcome that or would they be outfought most weeks? The issue we've still got is the hangover from the Premier League relegation that was never sorted out despite the owners and their half witted overhaul statement. We've since added to that hangover and compounded the misery. I wouldn't bet a bag of washers on this lot and i'm fast getting to the point where I wouldn't cross the road to watch them. It wouldn't surprise me to see us rinse the league equally as much as it wouldn't surprise me to see us completely implode and go down again. I have no faith in the owners any more, never had faith in the CEO, am fastly losing patience with a manager that is making stupid mistakes and the entire squad I hold in utter contempt. That's our lot fucked then. Some of them sacked it off in the Premier League. All of them have tossed it off in the Championship - imagine this lot in League 1.
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