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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 9, 2020 21:20:25 GMT
Make your mind up you said the other day he’s been one of our best performers😄 No I didn’t. He’s been wank this season. But actually I think we might have 2 Champo standard full backs. Oh yes you did and I’ll find it when I’ve got more time,you’re a walking contradiction |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:20:32 GMT
If you are referencing Edwards’ hooking at half time against Reading then it was 100% the correct thing to do. The lad performed so poorly (and the fans were slaughtering him) that it was almost humane for the manager to take him off. No it wasn’t. The sub changed nothing. The fans. Haha the fans have shown their knowledge about football pretty consistently and it’s piss poor. The team had zero movement and the manager and fans blamed the young right back. It was pathetic . So to summarise, you’re more knowledge than the majority of other Stoke fans and the manager who has dragged us from the abyss and given us a chance of staying up. Edwards is better than Smith, and Allen has remained wank and had absolutely no bearing on our improvement. I’m not sure which is sticking out more, your arrogance or your bias? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:20:53 GMT
And he was still mainly pretty wank. Like most of the players even Clucas the clear POTS. But when they are played in a 4231 and in their position they usually do ok. Why fuck around with that! And that’s what he’s done. Powell on the left wing today? Just wank. So Clucas reminded wank, Allen remained wank, yet we started do win games. I have no idea who you think was responsible for the upturn in fortunes then I’ll be honest...... A formation that suited the team. I’ve said as much. For the season I’d mark Clucas at a 6, a few at a 5 and the rest lower out of 10. That is the level I think they’ve all been playing at. What impressed me with MON is that he was finding a collective. He was moulding them into a unit so it didn’t matter if Allen was running around doing fuck all or Clucas went missing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:22:19 GMT
No it wasn’t. The sub changed nothing. The fans. Haha the fans have shown their knowledge about football pretty consistently and it’s piss poor. The team had zero movement and the manager and fans blamed the young right back. It was pathetic . It really, really was the right thing to do. And yes, rightly or wrongly, the fans giving him shit was putting the lad on edge and making him even worse. It wasn’t as the outcome of the game showed. The second half was as bad as the first and nothing changed. Yeah giving him shit for his team mates not moving. It was really pathetic and showed everyone up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:22:36 GMT
So Clucas reminded wank, Allen remained wank, yet we started do win games. I have no idea who you think was responsible for the upturn in fortunes then I’ll be honest...... A formation that suited the team. I’ve said as much. For the season I’d mark Clucas at a 6, a few at a 5 and the rest lower out of 10. That is the level I think they’ve all been playing at. What impressed me with MON is that he was finding a collective. He was moulding them into a unit so it didn’t matter if Allen was running around doing fuck all or Clucas went missing. He moulded them into a unit even though Allen did fuck all and Clucas went missing. The man’s a magician, imagine what he can do with 11 players on the pitch next season..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:23:04 GMT
No I didn’t. He’s been wank this season. But actually I think we might have 2 Champo standard full backs. Oh yes you did and I’ll find it when I’ve got more time,you’re a walking contradiction You can be wank and a better performer and tbh in lockdown he’s been one of the better performers! |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 9, 2020 21:23:47 GMT
Which turned out to be one of the worst subs by a Stoke manager ever really. It was awful. It didn’t make a jot of difference. Both were poor and we lose the game heavily either way. Exactly. Only difference was Leeds took their chances second half. Our centre backs were dire all game, Collins was invisible as the man went past him for the first goal, Batth was shocking all game and Chester the same. Despite this, 5-4-1 almost got us to 0-0 at half time. It’s not the manager, he is dealing with a squad that lacks defenders. Shawcross is the only one of 10 plus two on loan deserving to start. If pushed, Bruno alongside him. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 9, 2020 21:23:50 GMT
MON Nothing or no one else has been a bigger issue than the manager and his decisions. I know he got the damn illness but that can’t have made him forget the basics? Four points from fifteen speaks for itself. No clean sheets speaks for itself. Failing to score in 60 percent of the games speaks for itself. Losing six goals on the goal difference speaks for itself. All of the above against four teams in the bottom half the table out of five played speaks for itself. Its been an absolute disaster since resumption. Totally horrendous and he has to take a lions share of the blame. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
A formation that suited the team. I’ve said as much. For the season I’d mark Clucas at a 6, a few at a 5 and the rest lower out of 10. That is the level I think they’ve all been playing at. What impressed me with MON is that he was finding a collective. He was moulding them into a unit so it didn’t matter if Allen was running around doing fuck all or Clucas went missing. He moulded them into a unit even though Allen did fuck all and Clucas went missing. The man’s a magician, imagine what he can do with 11 players on the pitch next season..... You don’t think Clucas has gone missing for at least 60% of the season? And that’s being generous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:24:35 GMT
It really, really was the right thing to do. And yes, rightly or wrongly, the fans giving him shit was putting the lad on edge and making him even worse. It wasn’t as the outcome of the game showed. The second half was as bad as the first and nothing changed. Yeah giving him shit for his team mates not moving. It was really pathetic and showed everyone up. Again that’s not true. If Edwards had stayed on he may have stuck one in the top comer of his own net and we may have lost 0-1. So it’s pure supposition...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:25:37 GMT
MON Nothing or no one else has been a bigger issue than the manager and his decisions. I know he got the damn illness but that can’t have made him forget the basics? Four points from fifteen speaks for itself. No clean sheets speaks for itself. Failing to score in 60 percent of the games speaks for itself. Losing six goals on the goal difference speaks for itself. All of the above against four teams in the bottom half the table out of five played speaks for itself. Its been an absolute disaster since resumption. Totally horrendous and he has to take a lions share of the blame. l We kept a clean sheet against Barnsley..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:25:38 GMT
It wasn’t as the outcome of the game showed. The second half was as bad as the first and nothing changed. Yeah giving him shit for his team mates not moving. It was really pathetic and showed everyone up. Again that’s not true. If Edwards had stayed on he may have stuck one in the top comer of his own net and we may have lost 0-1. So it’s pure supposition...... No one was going to score in that game if they were still playing now. |
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Post by datguy on Jul 9, 2020 21:26:11 GMT
MO'N has let himself down with his treatment of Collins and Sorensen recently.
Hooking Lasse on 40 minutes vs Boro was wrong, unfair and humiliating for the fella. He'd done nothing wrong and to add salt to the wounds the fella that came on was the complete wrong sub.
Putting Collins on the right vs Reading and Wigan and hauling him off on 45 today was equally as wrong. These two are players that we'd be lucky to hold on to.
I do actually think though today would've been a much more positive result had Tommy Smith not made one of the most braindead tackles you'll ever see. We might have lost anyway but there's no way we collapse the way we did. And up until that point, considering the position we're in and the position Leeds are in, I think MO'N got it spot on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 9, 2020 21:28:02 GMT
Four points from fifteen speaks for itself. No clean sheets speaks for itself. Failing to score in 60 percent of the games speaks for itself. Losing six goals on the goal difference speaks for itself. All of the above against four teams in the bottom half the table out of five played speaks for itself. Its been an absolute disaster since resumption. Totally horrendous and he has to take a lions share of the blame. l We kept a clean sheet against Barnsley..... Yes of course. I think the others are right though. The average position of the teams we have played is the biggest concern to me. We are well and truly in the shit and the manager has been a pretty much a disaster area since resumption in my eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:28:46 GMT
Again that’s not true. If Edwards had stayed on he may have stuck one in the top comer of his own net and we may have lost 0-1. So it’s pure supposition...... No one was going to score in that game if they were still playing now. You don’t know that. You can say it, but it doesn’t make it true..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:29:21 GMT
l We kept a clean sheet against Barnsley..... Yes of course. I think the others are right though. The average position of the teams we have played is the biggest concern to me. We are well and truly in the shit and the manager has been a pretty much a disaster area since resumption in my eyes. The team selections have been something else. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 9, 2020 21:29:56 GMT
The results, the stats and my own eyes tell me otherwise..... Games like tonight, for me show how badly we’ve missed Joe I’m not a fan at all of joe Allen but I must go back on what I have said in the past. With that midfield that was on the pitch today we have missed him n like I say I’m not a fan |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 9, 2020 21:31:09 GMT
It's pretty sad that people are wading into MON at any opportunity. It's not surprising the people who are doing it, either on here or twitter.
Facts are that he has done a pretty steady job in turning us around and giving us a sniff of survival. Losing Allen is a disaster for him and the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:31:20 GMT
l We kept a clean sheet against Barnsley..... Yes of course. I think the others are right though. The average position of the teams we have played is the biggest concern to me. We are well and truly in the shit and the manager has been a pretty much a disaster area since resumption in my eyes. No Allen, lost 10 days on the training pitch due to Coronavirus, missed loads of chances to get back in the game against Middlesbrough. It’s not black and white. Yes it’s not been his finest couple of weeks, but with this squad I’m prepared to cut him some slack...... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:32:51 GMT
It's pretty sad that people are wading into MON at any opportunity. It's not surprising the people who are doing it, either on here or twitter. Facts are that he has done a pretty steady job in turning us around and giving us a sniff of survival. Losing Allen is a disaster for him and the team. I like the bloke but he’s been awful since the resumption and has barely made a correct decision. That cannot be ignored. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 9, 2020 21:33:19 GMT
He can't do anything with that lot.
If he can find another performance like barnsley and we get another win, he'll have performed a miracle and we will probably survive.
We need 8 new players though
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:34:43 GMT
Yes of course. I think the others are right though. The average position of the teams we have played is the biggest concern to me. We are well and truly in the shit and the manager has been a pretty much a disaster area since resumption in my eyes. No Allen, lost 10 days on the training pitch due to Coronavirus, missed loads of chances to get back in the game against Middlesbrough. It’s not black and white. Yes it’s not been his finest couple of weeks, but with this squad I’m prepared to cut him some slack...... Allen isn’t an issue. Our team miss loads of chances. If you play McClean expect him to miss easy chances. Why have sympathy there? He’s massively fucked this up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:35:19 GMT
He can't do anything with that lot. If he can find another performance like barnsley and we get another win, he'll have performed a miracle and we will probably survive. We need 8 new players though He’s showed he can though. This simply isn’t true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:37:02 GMT
No Allen, lost 10 days on the training pitch due to Coronavirus, missed loads of chances to get back in the game against Middlesbrough. It’s not black and white. Yes it’s not been his finest couple of weeks, but with this squad I’m prepared to cut him some slack...... Allen isn’t an issue. Our team miss loads of chances. If you play McClean expect him to miss easy chances. Why have sympathy there? He’s massively fucked this up. You constantly saying “Allen isn’t an issue” doesn’t mean anything. So now you’re blaming him for playing McClean as well, who’s playing on the left of those 4-2-3-1 then? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 9, 2020 21:37:03 GMT
It's pretty sad that people are wading into MON at any opportunity. It's not surprising the people who are doing it, either on here or twitter. Facts are that he has done a pretty steady job in turning us around and giving us a sniff of survival. Losing Allen is a disaster for him and the team. I like the bloke but he’s been awful since the resumption and has barely made a correct decision. That cannot be ignored. I like him. I don't necessarily think he should go if we go down but fuck me what an utter mess its been since restart. A disaster really. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:38:04 GMT
Allen isn’t an issue. Our team miss loads of chances. If you play McClean expect him to miss easy chances. Why have sympathy there? He’s massively fucked this up. You constantly saying “Allen isn’t an issue” doesn’t mean anything. So now you’re blaming him for playing McClean as well, who’s playing on the left of those 4-2-3-1 then? I’d play Ngoy but there we go. He’d have buried at least one of those chances. Not signing a winger in January was daft. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 9, 2020 21:39:07 GMT
It's pretty sad that people are wading into MON at any opportunity. It's not surprising the people who are doing it, either on here or twitter. Facts are that he has done a pretty steady job in turning us around and giving us a sniff of survival. Losing Allen is a disaster for him and the team. I like the bloke but he’s been awful since the resumption and has barely made a correct decision. That cannot be ignored. The Manager.. He's been awful since lockdown? Or the players have been awful, come back unfit unprepared and frankly don't give a fuck?? I blame the players all day all week all month long! Their attitude stinks, it stunk before lockdown and it stinks now! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:39:50 GMT
I like the bloke but he’s been awful since the resumption and has barely made a correct decision. That cannot be ignored. I like him. I don't necessarily think he should go if we go down but fuck me what an utter mess its been since restart. A disaster really. I definitely don’t think he should go. We’re a shit show. But since the resumption I think the biggest reason for being a shit show has been the decisions made by the manager. Seeing his teams you know what’s going to happen because he’s doing stuff we know doesn’t work. I’ve found it genuinely perplexing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:40:51 GMT
I like the bloke but he’s been awful since the resumption and has barely made a correct decision. That cannot be ignored. The Manager.. He's been awful since lockdown? Or the players have been awful, come back unfit unprepared and frankly don't give a fuck?? I blame the players all day all week all month long! Their attitude stinks, it stunk before lockdown and it stinks now! He’s set them up to fail with his starting lineups. Anyone expecting anything from the set up is mad. |
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Post by datguy on Jul 9, 2020 21:42:23 GMT
Did we sign Thompson to be cover on the wing?
His first few appearances were out wide. But then recently he's been played as the sitting central player.
I'm not really sure what the point of Thompson is. Not in a derogatory way - but why did we sign him?
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