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Post by stokeykez on Jul 9, 2020 22:07:18 GMT
With only Diouf, Federici and Ward out of contract this summer I'm not sure how that can happen - can't imagine we'll be overwhelmed with offers for the rest of our 'talent'. We're stuck with the useless feckers. Apparently Villa and Bournemouth are gagging to sign Butland. The fact he's probably the best paid player in the Champs is not of any consequence. He needs to go, his heart isnt in this fight, you can tell. Cannot understand why they've made him capt when he cant boss his box never mind the 10 useless fuckers playing in front of him
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Post by Davef on Jul 9, 2020 22:14:00 GMT
Just seen the boss's post match interview. He really does seem to be at the end of his tether with this group. He pretty much reminded them how shit they've been, consistently. He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse He has improved them. Or were you asleep for the first fourteen games of the season? We went 90-odd games without scoring more than two goals in a game. We've managed it seven times in the 37 games he's been in charge. He's given us a fighting chance of staying up having taken charge of a team who were winning just 0.57 points per game when he took over. Do the maths, that kind of form wouldn't get you to 30 points. Hasn't improved them my backside.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 9, 2020 22:27:48 GMT
With only Diouf, Federici and Ward out of contract this summer I'm not sure how that can happen - can't imagine we'll be overwhelmed with offers for the rest of our 'talent'. We're stuck with the useless feckers. Apparently Villa and Bournemouth are gagging to sign Butland. The fact he's probably the best paid player in the Champs is not of any consequence. Where is that from,?? Can't see any clubs wanting to sign butland,
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 9, 2020 22:31:51 GMT
Apparently Villa and Bournemouth are gagging to sign Butland. The fact he's probably the best paid player in the Champs is not of any consequence. Where is that from,?? Can't see any clubs wanting to sign butland, This board pal, in other words, nobody.
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Post by skip on Jul 9, 2020 22:48:25 GMT
OK. I'll call it. I don't think we'll go down but christ alrighty MoN has got to be given the backing to get rid, because the only four I'd keep will leave if we go down anyway.
This evening was an utter fucking shambles.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 9, 2020 23:03:26 GMT
Bloody hell
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 9, 2020 23:11:55 GMT
Just seen the boss's post match interview. He really does seem to be at the end of his tether with this group. He pretty much reminded them how shit they've been, consistently. He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse You are never gonna get the players you really want during the January transfer window. MON needs his own players and it will take time. Whoever scouted some of these fuckers and recommended signing them want sacking if they are still at the club. Our shit players do not complement our good ones at all. We just have too many below standard players not on the same wavelength and it's impossible for them to gel.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 10, 2020 5:30:38 GMT
Eh? If Wigan don't finish in the bottom three, then their deduction is applied this season, that's literally the top and bottom of it. Sorry my mistake!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 5:48:29 GMT
He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse He has improved them. Or were you asleep for the first fourteen games of the season? We went 90-odd games without scoring more than two goals in a game. We've managed it seven times in the 37 games he's been in charge. He's given us a fighting chance of staying up having taken charge of a team who were winning just 0.57 points per game when he took over. Do the maths, that kind of form wouldn't get you to 30 points. Hasn't improved them my backside. I didn’t say he hadn’t improved them rather he’s had plenty of time and a window so he can’t avoud responsibility for the abysmal Performances at Leeds and Wigan and clear regression since lockdown . i said at the time and since it’s so muc down to loss of Allen as we never get any semblance of midfield control , but he lever three better midfielders so on loan than Thomson ,Sorensen and cousins , it was a receipted for disaster and so it’s proved .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 5:59:06 GMT
He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse You are never gonna get the players you really want during the January transfer window. MON needs his own players and it will take time. Whoever scouted some of these fuckers and recommended signing them want sacking if they are still at the club. Our shit players do not complement our good ones at all. We just have too many below standard players not on the same wavelength and it's impossible for them to gel. He got three players who’ve contributed zero , where’s the evidence he will get any different bargain hunting in Scotland for sure feels like adding more of the Thomson’s than anything eise, said in his appointment and in January we’ve appointed a manager Whi has never ever managed a transfer window in England , whose experience if transfers is Brechin city and shamrock rovers and who has now had a complete catastrophe of a first window , . it was yet another high risk , I’ll thought through appointment in the circumstances of a £200m squad overhaul , but let’s be honest the two recruiters only had one objective anyone but Pulis whose I’m in lover of , but who would have rattled the place to pieces starting with returning Scholes to his rightful place as club “ gimp “ no way would be making those January signings under a Pulis , Warnock Etc , we needed warriors and we got spurs youth team players, Blackpool reserves and a centre back worse than those already here .
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 10, 2020 6:45:05 GMT
He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse He has improved them. Or were you asleep for the first fourteen games of the season? We went 90-odd games without scoring more than two goals in a game. We've managed it seven times in the 37 games he's been in charge. He's given us a fighting chance of staying up having taken charge of a team who were winning just 0.57 points per game when he took over. Do the maths, that kind of form wouldn't get you to 30 points. Hasn't improved them my backside. He seems to be getting as much out of them as anyone but even if we stay up he must wonder where he can go from here with this squad , at least if he wants to improve his reputation .
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2020 6:52:34 GMT
He has improved them. Or were you asleep for the first fourteen games of the season? We went 90-odd games without scoring more than two goals in a game. We've managed it seven times in the 37 games he's been in charge. He's given us a fighting chance of staying up having taken charge of a team who were winning just 0.57 points per game when he took over. Do the maths, that kind of form wouldn't get you to 30 points. Hasn't improved them my backside. I didn’t say he hadn’t improved them rather he’s had plenty of time and a window so he can’t avoud responsibility for the abysmal Performances at Leeds and Wigan and clear regression since lockdown . i said at the time and since it’s so muc down to loss of Allen as we never get any semblance of midfield control , but he lever three better midfielders so on loan than Thomson ,Sorensen and cousins , it was a receipted for disaster and so it’s proved . Two of the so called midfielders didn't want to be here And the third is not exactly pulling trees up at Millwall
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:00:54 GMT
after that crock of shit we really do deserve to go down, i did not expect anything against leeds all i was after was for us to at least keep the score down,and they just gave up on us yet again, these players have no pride at all they should give there money to the NHS some people who are worth there money, If we do that, then who deserves to stay up? Does Barnsley who we murdered five days ago deserve to stay up and us to go down? We were disgustingly bad, and exposed mercilessly, but, hey, when the 1st placed plays 20th at home, then 5-0 is a result that can be expected. We deserve to stay up, at this time of writing, because over the 42 games so far played, we're just a very little tiny bit less bad than Hull, Barnsley, and Luton. If that's any consolation...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:16:06 GMT
Apparently Villa and Bournemouth are gagging to sign Butland. The fact he's probably the best paid player in the Champs is not of any consequence. He needs to go, his heart isnt in this fight, you can tell. Cannot understand why they've made him capt when he cant boss his box never mind the 10 useless fuckers playing in front of him He's the longest serving player - when Shawcross and Diouf aren't playing - and he knows what the SCFC values are. He, apparently, makes good speeches before games, and he's able to handle PR business. Those are some of the requirements needed to wear the band. He fails in other respects, true, but who is a better choice? Most of the others are way too quiet or have their own personal problems. I mean, can you imagine Tom Ince wearing it? Batth was handed the captaincy almost as soon as he was signed - standing in for RS of course - but Jones stripped it off him when the current season started. I've never understood why; I mean I think he sucks in some respects as a footballer, but he's a very nice man, and I've noticed that when Butland gaffes, which is often, Batth is the only one who goes over to offer a bit of a consolation to him. Nick Powell could be the fulcrum of the team, but he's just too much of a renegade to be captain material. Who else is there? (as Mark Hughes used to say). As for Butland's gk qualities. His heart is still in it - or he couldn't make those speeches - but his "footballing brain" is gone.
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Post by neddy on Jul 10, 2020 7:20:40 GMT
Without Allen to hold it together no other player takes responsibility on the pitch to get a grip of the game and galvanise the team.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 10, 2020 7:45:57 GMT
after that crock of shit we really do deserve to go down, i did not expect anything against leeds all i was after was for us to at least keep the score down,and they just gave up on us yet again, these players have no pride at all they should give there money to the NHS some people who are worth there money, If we do that, then who deserves to stay up? Does Barnsley who we murdered five days ago deserve to stay up and us to go down? We were disgustingly bad, and exposed mercilessly, but, hey, when the 1st placed plays 20th at home, then 5-0 is a result that can be expected. We deserve to stay up, at this time of writing, because over the 42 games so far played, we're just a very little tiny bit less bad than Hull, Barnsley, and Luton. If that's any consolation... no its not mate 1st placed leeds played 24 placed luton at home and draw 1 each, it may have been a lucky point for luton but at least they battled for it, and not lay down and died,what these players of ours are doing, this squad is one of the best payed if not the best payed in this division,and they dont earn there wage, i can honestly say they are a disgrace to our club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:53:33 GMT
If we do that, then who deserves to stay up? Does Barnsley who we murdered five days ago deserve to stay up and us to go down? We were disgustingly bad, and exposed mercilessly, but, hey, when the 1st placed plays 20th at home, then 5-0 is a result that can be expected. We deserve to stay up, at this time of writing, because over the 42 games so far played, we're just a very little tiny bit less bad than Hull, Barnsley, and Luton. If that's any consolation... no its not mate 1st placed leeds played 24 placed luton at home and draw 1 each, it may have been a lucky point for luton but at least they battled for it, and not lay down and died,what these players of ours are doing, this squad is one of the best payed if not the best payed in this division,and they dont earn there wage, i can honestly say they are a disgrace to our club. You're right, of course, although we did actually battle very well for 44 minutes. But if they finish 21st, would you actually mind?
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 10, 2020 8:13:05 GMT
no its not mate 1st placed leeds played 24 placed luton at home and draw 1 each, it may have been a lucky point for luton but at least they battled for it, and not lay down and died,what these players of ours are doing, this squad is one of the best payed if not the best payed in this division,and they dont earn there wage, i can honestly say they are a disgrace to our club. You're right, of course, although we did actually battle very well for 44 minutes. But if they finish 21st, would you actually mind? yes i would take21st mate but do we have a team that will get that spot look at our up and comming fixtures,i do fear for us,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 8:22:44 GMT
You're right, of course, although we did actually battle very well for 44 minutes. But if they finish 21st, would you actually mind? yes i would take21st mate but do we have a team that will get that spot look at our up and comming fixtures,i do fear for us, We have a team that on their day can do the business. They did that a few days ago, yesterday they might have if they could stayed 0-0 at the break, but we didn't, and so we caved in. Our fighting spirit is pretty much non-existent. If we can't do it in the next four games, then beggars can't be choosers, and we have to hope the three below us also can't do it. Leeds probably underestimated Luton. They didn't with us, and there's a good reason why.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 10, 2020 8:23:04 GMT
Just seen the boss's post match interview. He really does seem to be at the end of his tether with this group. He pretty much reminded them how shit they've been, consistently. He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse He has had them a long time now true, but so did his predecessors. Can't blame anyone for the transfer window "disaster"; no half decent player would want to risk ruining his career by joining a club that was bottom at Christmas and 9 out of 10 clubs in the position have been relegated in the last 10 years. We seem to have a team of players who either never "had it", or if they did have "lost it", or can't be bothered.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 9:34:42 GMT
I didn’t say he hadn’t improved them rather he’s had plenty of time and a window so he can’t avoud responsibility for the abysmal Performances at Leeds and Wigan and clear regression since lockdown . i said at the time and since it’s so muc down to loss of Allen as we never get any semblance of midfield control , but he lever three better midfielders so on loan than Thomson ,Sorensen and cousins , it was a receipted for disaster and so it’s proved . Two of the so called midfielders didn't want to be here And the third is not exactly pulling trees up at Millwall Wid take any of them ahead of cousins and Thomson which is what O’Neil and Scholes condemned us too in January .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 9:37:38 GMT
He’s had. A Lot if games to improve them and a window which was a disaster and they are actually getting worse He has had them a long time now true, but so did his predecessors. Can't blame anyone for the transfer window "disaster"; no half decent player would want to risk ruining his career by joining a club that was bottom at Christmas and 9 out of 10 clubs in the position have been relegated in the last 10 years. We seem to have a team of players who either never "had it", or if they did have "lost it", or can't be bothered. The wages we pay players would come but loans was probably the answer Taggart , Overson , whitehead , Faye , crossley , hendry , delap , were the types we needed
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 10, 2020 10:53:04 GMT
The reality of the matter is that I cannot see Barnsley or Luton getting enough points to finish above Stoke no matter how bad we are between now and the end of this season! This means that all the worrying on this site is all about who will finish third from . The fact that Wigan Athletic will have twelve points deducted at the end of the season is a massive help but I hope they have that penalty but still escape. They really deserve that and it would hard won! This Sunday's game is absolutely massive! Stoke will go ahead of Birmingham if they can win. If there is a tea with a worse record than Stoke in recent times it is the Brummies. I personally can't see Birmingham getting many more points this season! If Stoke lose on Saturday they really deserve to be relegated but I think the odds are favourably in our favour that we will just about remain in the Championship as long aswedon't mess up our goal difference any further!
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Post by thequietman on Jul 10, 2020 11:38:07 GMT
We were beaten by a decent team, and they're no more than that. But in my view we were actually beaten by a genius manager.
That's no disservice to MON or our players, Bielsa changed that game on two key points. Everyone sees a match differently but this is my take on it:
The first 10 minutes was end-to-end and the game could have finished 8 goals apiece.
Bielsa had spotted our passing through Clucas & Powell but, rather than wait until half time to change anything like most managers would, he put Phillips to man-mark Powell & Klich to man-mark Clucas. It shut our passing down instantly. After that our only forays forward were long balls which they dealt with fairly easily. Leeds had all of the ball in midfield after that. All the same, they didn't show that much in attack bar the double clearance off the line & the idiotic penalty. So at half time Bielsa brought Hernandez on, gave him a free role, and he tore us apart.
I hadn't got the Bielsa love-in before. Ok, he took an everage, disjointed group of players and turned them into a team that play above their individual abilities. Fair enough.
But the way he changed this game, I get it now. Genius, and we didn't have an answer to it.
Fingers crossed that dirty Leeds don't f00k the rest of their season up as usual & we'll see the back of them into the Premiership for at least a season. Purely so that we don't have to face Bielsa again.
I'm really hoping we demolish Birmingham - and we certainly have the ability to do that. But I can't see us getting any points from the other 3 games to come. Squeaky bum time? Indeedy, but not just my posterior. My whole body needs dosing with WD40.
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Post by questionable on Jul 10, 2020 11:49:55 GMT
The biggest gripe for me is giving the players that we have can you honestly say that when they were at their previous clubs or you’ve seen them play can you say that you’d love them to be at Stoke, not a friggin chance.
It takes some doing putting this show together, totally pathetic.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 10, 2020 12:49:06 GMT
I really can't understand how senior pros can lose their heads in the way our players do at times! The first goal a crazy and unnecessary tackle, What do Chester do before the second, the third is the worst one where Indi let their player run on his inside and then 3, yes, 3!!!, players try to block the player with the ball and one step out for Cooper and he is totally free! Where is the understanding of the game! It was so obvious that I would have been ashamed if I've played! I'm 55 and almost one hundred kilos by the way! How we lose this game because of stupid decision making is beyond me! Overrun by a better team, yes, but we don't have to gift them easy goals anyway!
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 10, 2020 15:56:14 GMT
Just seen the boss's post match interview. He really does seem to be at the end of his tether with this group. He pretty much reminded them how shit they've been, consistently. He's very polite in the interview and I'll credit him for his restraint. However I'll help him out in his obvious hour of need. Butland - FUCKING SHIT Dive somehow, sometime. Smith - FUCKING SHIT, if someone is running away from goal don't foul him. Collins - FUCKING SHIT, 45 minutes is that the best you can do? Batth - FUCKING SHIT Martins Indi - How's your goolies? Anyway FUCKING SHIT Clucas - FUCKING SHIT Thompson - Sounds like a shit shoe shop - FUCKING SHIT Cousins - Great cartoon in the the former fanzine the Oatcake, however FUCKING SHIT Campbell - 0 goals, says it all FUCKING SHIT Gregory - FUCKING SHIT Powell - 0 goals, says it all FUCKING SHIT Sorenson - manager has just gave up here, anyway it's a team game -FUCKING SHIT McClean - Paddled about on the wing a bit - FUCKING SHIT Vokes - 0 goals - you know the drill - FUCKING SHIT Diouf - As you can't get a starting place you're obviously - FUCKING SHIT. There you go Michael, all done. Oh Chester....? You know the drill
NOT One Shot On Target.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Jul 15, 2020 18:00:31 GMT
Butland by a mile. sorry Cobhamstokie. Your blind loyalty is admirable. On a serious note do you genuinley think he’s doing a good job? RThat match yes.
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