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Post by anchorman on Jul 6, 2020 17:25:58 GMT
I work with a load of Leeds fans who are absolutely sound it has to be said, all regulars and all knowledge about the game. I for one am looking forward to seeing Bielsa in the Premier League and Leeds getting promoted, and hope they win 4 games and draw against us to do so.... I'm another Yorkshire Stokie and I just can't stand the dillusional arrogant cunts. I've hated them since the Revie era. Horrible team, horrible fans and I would love to see them fuck it up again. I actually fancy us to get something Thursday . C'mon STOKE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 17:33:13 GMT
I work with a load of Leeds fans who are absolutely sound it has to be said, all regulars and all knowledge about the game. I for one am looking forward to seeing Bielsa in the Premier League and Leeds getting promoted, and hope they win 4 games and draw against us to do so.... I'm another Yorkshire Stokie and I just can't stand the dillusional arrogant cunts. I've hated them since the Revie era. Horrible team, horrible fans and I would love to see them fuck it up again. I actually fancy us to get something Thursday . C'mon STOKE!!! I wouldn't say they have a horrible team now! I would say they have a beautiful team on their day and they fully deserve to be promoted (and to be relegated straight after). It's a totally different area to the one in the Revie days. But it's almost all down to Bielsa. Apart from his employer there's nothing about him that resembles Revie.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 6, 2020 17:46:28 GMT
I’m viewing this one as an exercise in goal difference damage limitation. I’d be astonished if we got any kind of positive result up there. The worlds most boring nil nil will be juuuuust fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 18:32:22 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them
After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jul 6, 2020 18:53:37 GMT
I hope we rip out their souls this week, but in all honesty I hope they get promoted. The bottom half of the PL is a bunch of shite, there needs to be an infusion of some bigger clubs.
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Post by Numismatist on Jul 6, 2020 19:39:45 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video..
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 6, 2020 19:47:20 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division. It is probably difficult for anyone who didn't live through it to understand the Leeds hatred. Looking back today, the game was far more violent than today with kicking, ott tackles, and fist fights. All teams had their hard men who could hand it out, but Leeds had a whole team of hard men, that, despite being very talented, felt they had to physically intimidate the opposition. It was the Revie way and if, like Jimmy Greenhoff, you were not prepared to do it you were moved out of the club. Today , cheating is a normal part of the game: faking bad tackles, leaving a trailing foot to create an opponent fouling, faking injuries, stealing yards at free kicks and throw ins, winding up opponents, etc. In the 60s it was not so bad, and it was something foreigners did. But Leeds adopted it as an art form and they made doublely sure of winning by cheating tactics, apart from their undoubted skill. Revie used to ensure individual opponents were targeted, even snubbing managers to wind them up. He used every trick he could think of to get any sort of advantage. It's said "cheats never prosper". Leeds clearly did prosper, but then they were very talented. Having said that they did not win as much as they should have and often lost out being runners up or losing finalists far many more times than they actually won, despite their total dominance of weaker teams.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 6, 2020 19:55:31 GMT
As my best 2 friends are Leeds fans - winning this one would make up for an entire season of constant piss-taking. We would be almost safe from the drop and Leeds, if Brentford win, would be on the brink of dropping out of the auto promotion zone and choking again. Sadly, it would be one of the happiest days I will have had for a long while as a Stoke supporter That said they are a high pressing, slick moving little passing side - just about everything we can't cope with - and we were lucky to only lose 3-0 at the Brit Defeat plunges us back into the shite while getting them one step closer to promotion and will make my life unbearable, losing while getting spanked just doesn't bear thinking about How often do Stoke come up trumps when you need them to? The answer is never, but come on Stoke do eeet for me - just for once and I will forgive you 50 years of misery Living and working in dirty-Leeds-filthy-Leeds, I'm surrounded by the delusional, arrogant tawts. Oh how glorious even a draw would be. Defeat would, however, not be the worst thing in the world. I think we have enough about us under MON to avoid the drop regardless of the result at Bellend Road. And if it helps Leeds to get promotion, all well and good.
Wait ... what ... I want them to be promoted? Yes ! For one it gets the horrible club out of (what will still hopefully be) our division. For two, the tears of joy of their horrible fans will soon turn to tears of despair when they're hammered 4-0 every week in the Premier League and are relegated again, not to return for at least another 17 years.
Yes, but if we can win one more game this season - please let it be this one. Part of me wants them out of this division also - while we are shite and they are red hot. Strange that my friends happen to be Leeds supporters as well before I met them I had a deep hate for that club. I have a horrible feeling they will do alright in the prem and to be fair they are a big club with brilliant support and they have probably suffered enough
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:09:06 GMT
Living and working in dirty-Leeds-filthy-Leeds, I'm surrounded by the delusional, arrogant tawts. Oh how glorious even a draw would be. Defeat would, however, not be the worst thing in the world. I think we have enough about us under MON to avoid the drop regardless of the result at Bellend Road. And if it helps Leeds to get promotion, all well and good.
Wait ... what ... I want them to be promoted? Yes ! For one it gets the horrible club out of (what will still hopefully be) our division. For two, the tears of joy of their horrible fans will soon turn to tears of despair when they're hammered 4-0 every week in the Premier League and are relegated again, not to return for at least another 17 years.
Yes, but if we can win one more game this season - please let it be this one. Part of me wants them out of this division also - while we are shite and they are red hot. Strange that my friends happen to be Leeds supporters as well before I met them I had a deep hate for that club. I have a horrible feeling they will do alright in the prem and to be fair they are a big club with brilliant support and they have probably suffered enough I thought Villa would have a half decent return to the Prem and survive but not looking good there. They have a hell of a lot of work to do if the go up as do West Brom. Personally happy to see them out of our division as opens it up more
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Post by stokefanone on Jul 6, 2020 20:29:58 GMT
We can win........................
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 6, 2020 21:02:52 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division. If you’d been there for the 70s stuff you’d understand more perhaps. Amazon not got the rooster there yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 21:09:05 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division. If you’d been there for the 70s stuff you’d understand more perhaps. Amazon not got the rooster there yet? I think was out and they may have chucked the box over the fence into a puddle like they normally do .
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Post by thequietman on Jul 7, 2020 7:40:00 GMT
Living and working in dirty-Leeds-filthy-Leeds, I'm surrounded by the delusional, arrogant tawts. Oh how glorious even a draw would be. Defeat would, however, not be the worst thing in the world. I think we have enough about us under MON to avoid the drop regardless of the result at Bellend Road. And if it helps Leeds to get promotion, all well and good.
Wait ... what ... I want them to be promoted? Yes ! For one it gets the horrible club out of (what will still hopefully be) our division. For two, the tears of joy of their horrible fans will soon turn to tears of despair when they're hammered 4-0 every week in the Premier League and are relegated again, not to return for at least another 17 years.
Yes, but if we can win one more game this season - please let it be this one. Part of me wants them out of this division also - while we are shite and they are red hot. Strange that my friends happen to be Leeds supporters as well before I met them I had a deep hate for that club. I have a horrible feeling they will do alright in the prem and to be fair they are a big club with brilliant support and they have probably suffered enough They've suffered enough? Dirty Leeds? A thousand years in hell wouldn't be enough suffering for them.
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Post by anchorman on Jul 7, 2020 7:53:47 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division. It is probably difficult for anyone who didn't live through it to understand the Leeds hatred. Looking back today, the game was far more violent than today with kicking, ott tackles, and fist fights. All teams had their hard men who could hand it out, but Leeds had a whole team of hard men, that, despite being very talented, felt they had to physically intimidate the opposition. It was the Revie way and if, like Jimmy Greenhoff, you were not prepared to do it you were moved out of the club. Today , cheating is a normal part of the game: faking bad tackles, leaving a trailing foot to create an opponent fouling, faking injuries, stealing yards at free kicks and throw ins, winding up opponents, etc. In the 60s it was not so bad, and it was something foreigners did. But Leeds adopted it as an art form and they made doublely sure of winning by cheating tactics, apart from their undoubted skill. Revie used to ensure individual opponents were targeted, even snubbing managers to wind them up. He used every trick he could think of to get any sort of advantage. It's said "cheats never prosper". Leeds clearly did prosper, but then they were very talented. Having said that they did not win as much as they should have and often lost out being runners up or losing finalists far many more times than they actually won, despite their total dominance of weaker teams. You're absolutely spot on re Revie targetting certain players, of which one was Sir Jimmy Greenhoff. They were a vile team, however we enjoyed some great results against them, particularly 1974 at The Victoria Ground, Leeds going for the unbeaten record & 2-0 up in 14 mins, only for the Mighty Potters to win 3-2 through that unforgettable diving header from Denis Smith. At our last match before Lockdown v Hull, I was talking to Micky Bernard who told us about one match v Leeds at The Vic. We'd stuffed them and apparently Bremner, Hunteretc were telling the Stoke lads what they were going to do to them at Leeds, effing & jeffing, whilst walking up the tunnel, Alan Bloor (silent assasin) was in front of Denis & Micky, walked level with Bremner (who was still chatting) and without saying a word elbowed him in the face. Billy big bollocks was out cold.Denis & Micky had to step over him! Now that's an image!
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 7, 2020 8:14:55 GMT
It is probably difficult for anyone who didn't live through it to understand the Leeds hatred. Looking back today, the game was far more violent than today with kicking, ott tackles, and fist fights. All teams had their hard men who could hand it out, but Leeds had a whole team of hard men, that, despite being very talented, felt they had to physically intimidate the opposition. It was the Revie way and if, like Jimmy Greenhoff, you were not prepared to do it you were moved out of the club. Today , cheating is a normal part of the game: faking bad tackles, leaving a trailing foot to create an opponent fouling, faking injuries, stealing yards at free kicks and throw ins, winding up opponents, etc. In the 60s it was not so bad, and it was something foreigners did. But Leeds adopted it as an art form and they made doublely sure of winning by cheating tactics, apart from their undoubted skill. Revie used to ensure individual opponents were targeted, even snubbing managers to wind them up. He used every trick he could think of to get any sort of advantage. It's said "cheats never prosper". Leeds clearly did prosper, but then they were very talented. Having said that they did not win as much as they should have and often lost out being runners up or losing finalists far many more times than they actually won, despite their total dominance of weaker teams. You're absolutely spot on re Revie targetting certain players, of which one was Sir Jimmy Greenhoff. They were a vile team, however we enjoyed some great results against them, particularly 1974 at The Victoria Ground, Leeds going for the unbeaten record & 2-0 up in 14 mins, only for the Mighty Potters to win 3-2 through that unforgettable diving header from Denis Smith. At our last match before Lockdown v Hull, I was talking to Micky Bernard who told us about one match v Leeds at The Vic. We'd stuffed them and apparently Bremner, Hunteretc were telling the Stoke lads what they were going to do to them at Leeds, effing & jeffing, whilst walking up the tunnel, Alan Bloor (silent assasin) was in front of Denis & Micky, walked level with Bremner (who was still chatting) and without saying a word elbowed him in the face. Billy big bollocks was out cold.Denis & Micky had to step over him! Now that's an image! The Bremner Frany Leigh skirmish has to be seen to be believed and shows those who are unaware of the history what it was like. I use the word skirmish in jest. I have never seen or ever will again seen a out and out fight like that on a football pitch, or anywhere else. Was there not one with Keegan as well ?
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 7, 2020 8:32:50 GMT
You're absolutely spot on re Revie targetting certain players, of which one was Sir Jimmy Greenhoff. They were a vile team, however we enjoyed some great results against them, particularly 1974 at The Victoria Ground, Leeds going for the unbeaten record & 2-0 up in 14 mins, only for the Mighty Potters to win 3-2 through that unforgettable diving header from Denis Smith. At our last match before Lockdown v Hull, I was talking to Micky Bernard who told us about one match v Leeds at The Vic. We'd stuffed them and apparently Bremner, Hunteretc were telling the Stoke lads what they were going to do to them at Leeds, effing & jeffing, whilst walking up the tunnel, Alan Bloor (silent assasin) was in front of Denis & Micky, walked level with Bremner (who was still chatting) and without saying a word elbowed him in the face. Billy big bollocks was out cold.Denis & Micky had to step over him! Now that's an image! The Bremner Frany Leigh skirmish has to be seen to be believed and shows those who are unaware of the history what it was like. I use the word skirmish in jest. I have never seen or ever will again seen a out and out fight like that on a football pitch, or anywhere else. Was there not one with Keegan as well ? It was Hunter v Franny Lee Leeds brought the worse out of other teams too!!!...see McCreadie's tackle on Bremner here
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 7, 2020 8:45:01 GMT
The Bremner Frany Leigh skirmish has to be seen to be believed and shows those who are unaware of the history what it was like. I use the word skirmish in jest. I have never seen or ever will again seen a out and out fight like that on a football pitch, or anywhere else. Was there not one with Keegan as well ? It was Hunter v Franny Lee Leeds brought the worse out of other teams too!!!...see McCreadie's tackle on Bremner here Thank you I stand corrected. It spilled over into junior football as well. Sunday morning local football in those days was tough.
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Post by Northy on Jul 7, 2020 8:45:15 GMT
Never understood all the Leeds hatred but missed all the 70s stuff. Huge club and if they go up or not I really won't care either way.A win v us will put them on the brink of promotion but I guess the teams below them winning earlier in the week will put pressure on them After the last 2 weeks am no way making any predictions in this nut job of a division. It is probably difficult for anyone who didn't live through it to understand the Leeds hatred. Looking back today, the game was far more violent than today with kicking, ott tackles, and fist fights. All teams had their hard men who could hand it out, but Leeds had a whole team of hard men, that, despite being very talented, felt they had to physically intimidate the opposition. It was the Revie way and if, like Jimmy Greenhoff, you were not prepared to do it you were moved out of the club. Today , cheating is a normal part of the game: faking bad tackles, leaving a trailing foot to create an opponent fouling, faking injuries, stealing yards at free kicks and throw ins, winding up opponents, etc. In the 60s it was not so bad, and it was something foreigners did. But Leeds adopted it as an art form and they made doublely sure of winning by cheating tactics, apart from their undoubted skill. Revie used to ensure individual opponents were targeted, even snubbing managers to wind them up. He used every trick he could think of to get any sort of advantage. It's said "cheats never prosper". Leeds clearly did prosper, but then they were very talented. Having said that they did not win as much as they should have and often lost out being runners up or losing finalists far many more times than they actually won, despite their total dominance of weaker teams. Some of these so called hard men were cowards, nasty tackles from behind was always a cowards tackle
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 7, 2020 8:52:47 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video.. That video reminds me of Lee Chapman, who scored 38 goals for us in 103 (+4 subs) appearances. His best period was at Sheff Wed where he scored 79 times in 183 ( + 4 subs) appearances, and his most prolific 80 goals in 172 games at Leeds, where he moved to halfway through their promotion season. In his autobiography " More That A Match" he said he left Stoke because he thought the club lacked ambition. Afterwards he regretted leaving and wished he had stayed longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 8:57:28 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video.. Good spot, I was at that game and remember absolutely nothing about it other than us wearing black shorts.....
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 7, 2020 9:00:09 GMT
The Bremner Frany Leigh skirmish has to be seen to be believed and shows those who are unaware of the history what it was like. I use the word skirmish in jest. I have never seen or ever will again seen a out and out fight like that on a football pitch, or anywhere else. Was there not one with Keegan as well ? It was Hunter v Franny Lee Leeds brought the worse out of other teams too!!!...see McCreadie's tackle on Bremner here On a Leeds player in the 70s,thats classed as a good tackle.even more so if it was on Bremner.
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Post by jnb14 on Jul 7, 2020 9:36:56 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video.. I was there for that- we were in the corner to the left of Bertie when he missed the pen. I could swear that in that match Leigh Palin had an outstanding game and we had enough chances to have won? Clearly from the video, that wasn't the case. It must have been that season as Palin disappeared and we went down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 10:01:50 GMT
Yes, but if we can win one more game this season - please let it be this one. Part of me wants them out of this division also - while we are shite and they are red hot. Strange that my friends happen to be Leeds supporters as well before I met them I had a deep hate for that club. I have a horrible feeling they will do alright in the prem and to be fair they are a big club with brilliant support and they have probably suffered enough They've suffered enough? Dirty Leeds? A thousand years in hell wouldn't be enough suffering for them. Just watch the karma spill back to Stoke one day...
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 7, 2020 10:04:29 GMT
It was Hunter v Franny Lee Leeds brought the worse out of other teams too!!!...see McCreadie's tackle on Bremner here Thank you I stand corrected. It spilled over into junior football as well. Sunday morning local football in those days was tough. It was a different game altogether, bookings and sending offs were rare in those days. Leeds knew how to foul all over the pitch. Allan Clarke was a nasty player, Giles was great at crunching into ankles after the ball had gone. Both very gifted players as well. Teams that beat them had to use their equivalent hatchet men. Storey at Arsenal, Harris at Chelsea, Smith at Liverpool, we had Bloor, Smithy and Pej who had a fair share of crunching tackles in their lockers. Sunday morning football was pretty much the same. It was a way of winning and negating the more skilful opponents. Totally different game, you could argue we've gone to other extreme now. I love watching those 70s games, but it was bloody tough for skilled players. They had to learn how to skip over the tackles of assassins. Watch the Sunderland v Leeds cup Final. Some x rated tackles from the Sunderland boys in that one. Don't think there were any bookings either. I do remember Bloor and Pej got booked in the first 20 mins of the Cup Final v Chelsea though, but that was unheard of in those days. These days they would have been sent off before half time.
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Post by greenstokie on Jul 7, 2020 10:33:58 GMT
Beat or draw with Leeds and if results go in out favour, we would likely be safe with another win after the Brum game.
Then again, practical MON could go up to Leeds looking to keep our GD better than the rest and settle for a low scoring defeat, which right now is worth another point.
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Post by thequietman on Jul 7, 2020 10:38:59 GMT
They've suffered enough? Dirty Leeds? A thousand years in hell wouldn't be enough suffering for them. Just watch the karma spill back to Stoke one day... What, little old cleaner-than-clean Stoke? Everyone's second club ? **** How could anyone wish ill of us ?
**** at least we were for many in the mid-70's Hudson era. Brian Moore regularly described us as the most attractive team in English football and I'm reasonably certain he wasn't referring to Pej's boyish good looks.
Just found this & there's some descriptions on here that made me laugh out loud. A mix of hard men and beasts from the black lagoon. Ray Parlour's description is genius
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2020 11:37:32 GMT
I don't know why, but I really don't fancy us to lose this.
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Post by Numismatist on Jul 7, 2020 11:43:19 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video.. I was there for that- we were in the corner to the left of Bertie when he missed the pen. I could swear that in that match Leigh Palin had an outstanding game and we had enough chances to have won? Clearly from the video, that wasn't the case. It must have been that season as Palin disappeared and we went down. Yorkshire TV coverage so slanted in their favour. We had chances in the first half as I recall but when Bertie missed that pen’ early in the second half they were all over us for the rest of the game.
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Post by Numismatist on Jul 7, 2020 11:46:41 GMT
Played Leeds 30 years ago in similar circumstances, they were top of the Championship, we were bottom. Only a teen and remember saying in the Lowfields wouldn’t be too bad losing as long as we didn’t get hammered. Fellow Potter overheard and gave me plenty of stick. Hostile enough in there as it was.. If only Bertie had converted that pen early in the second half. Just found the video.. That video reminds me of Lee Chapman, who scored 38 goals for us in 103 (+4 subs) appearances. His best period was at Sheff Wed where he scored 79 times in 183 ( + 4 subs) appearances, and his most prolific 80 goals in 172 games at Leeds, where he moved to halfway through their promotion season. In his autobiography " More That A Match" he said he left Stoke because he thought the club lacked ambition. Afterwards he regretted leaving and wished he had stayed longer. I was mascot for a game at home to Leicester in 1980. Lee Chapman scored the only goal in a 1-0 win. Only seven years old but he was great with me, as were the rest of the players, especially Alan Dodd.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 7, 2020 11:52:58 GMT
I was there for that- we were in the corner to the left of Bertie when he missed the pen. I could swear that in that match Leigh Palin had an outstanding game and we had enough chances to have won? Clearly from the video, that wasn't the case. It must have been that season as Palin disappeared and we went down. Yorkshire TV coverage so slanted in their favour. We had chances in the first half as I recall but when Bertie missed that pen’ early in the second half they were all over us for the rest of the game. regional tv was always partisan. Hugh Jones for ATV used to love Stoke, especially Greenhoff, Hudson and Big John Ritchie as he used to always affectionately call him.
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