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Post by baystokie on Jul 4, 2020 20:38:51 GMT
Daft cunt. You don't deserve a manager as good as MON. Fuck me you can tell the pubs are open What a thoroughly useless post that was, didn't address a single one of my points. What sort of manager would I deserve exactly? I was dead against NJ and GR. I wanted one of Bruce or Warnock. Jury is out on MON regardless of how daft you think it is, he's got more than one horror show decision in him, you've said as such above. He's not above criticism and today doesn't fix that. If I remember correctly, Bruce and Warnock have had more than the odd 'horror' show over the years they have been in the game - you just recall them more vividly if they were in charge of YOUR team at the time! Most managers below Prem level are prone to mistakes because of the calibre of players in their teams - these players' form and performances are likely to fluctuate more widely than those of their classier Prem counterparts. This is why MON can be a villain one week and a hero the next - I suspect even he wonder at time what sort of performance will ensue after his team takes the field. Glad I never had a job where 30,000 others (who had NEVER done the job) thought they could do the job better AND had the means pf broadcasting their opinions. Maybe others on here are similarly glad??
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Post by EccyStokie on Jul 4, 2020 20:46:16 GMT
To be honest I think anyone calling for O’Neil out would be recaptured very quickly and is safely ignored. Also I don’t really remember seeing that mentioned.
Out cry for the lack of effort from the players is a totally different thing and was fully justified based on the last 3 performances (yes they were shite against reading aswell).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 20:48:01 GMT
Fuck me you can tell the pubs are open What a thoroughly useless post that was, didn't address a single one of my points. What sort of manager would I deserve exactly? I was dead against NJ and GR. I wanted one of Bruce or Warnock. Jury is out on MON regardless of how daft you think it is, he's got more than one horror show decision in him, you've said as such above. He's not above criticism and today doesn't fix that. If I remember correctly, Bruce and Warnock have had more than the odd 'horror' show over the years they have been in the game - you just recall them more vividly if they were in charge of YOUR team at the time! Most managers below Prem level are prone to mistakes because of the calibre of players in their teams - these players' form and performances are likely to fluctuate more widely than those of their classier Prem counterparts. This is why MON can be a villain one week and a hero the next - I suspect even he wonder at time what sort of performance will ensue after his team takes the field. Glad I never had a job where 30,000 others (who had NEVER done the job) thought they could do the job better AND had the means pf broadcasting their opinions. Maybe others on here are similarly glad?? Is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 12:55:00 GMT
Fuck me you can tell the pubs are open What a thoroughly useless post that was, didn't address a single one of my points. What sort of manager would I deserve exactly? I was dead against NJ and GR. I wanted one of Bruce or Warnock. Jury is out on MON regardless of how daft you think it is, he's got more than one horror show decision in him, you've said as such above. He's not above criticism and today doesn't fix that. We went from dead and buried to play-off form. I'd love to know what your expectations and standards are. Maybe Pep will turn up tomorrow, bring Messi and Ronaldo, get us promoted and you might be happy. Maybe. I notice you've carefully omitted losing two must-win games back to back in your balanced assessment, The team selections for both were bafflingly bad and the consequences of those losses have dragged us right back in the muck... MON is better than GR and NJ but not immune from criticism at all.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 5, 2020 13:01:33 GMT
He's not immune to criticism, but to replace yet another manager is pretty brainless right now. He's doing Ok with the tools provided.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 5, 2020 13:45:17 GMT
He's not immune to criticism, but to replace yet another manager is pretty brainless right now. He's doing Ok with the tools provided. No one has said we need to sack mon and get another manager some are just questioning his selections and line ups. Don’t know where this has come from
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Post by markby on Jul 5, 2020 16:19:59 GMT
We went from dead and buried to play-off form. I'd love to know what your expectations and standards are. Maybe Pep will turn up tomorrow, bring Messi and Ronaldo, get us promoted and you might be happy. Maybe. I notice you've carefully omitted losing two must-win games back to back in your balanced assessment, The team selections for both were bafflingly bad and the consequences of those losses have dragged us right back in the muck... MON is better than GR and NJ but not immune from criticism at all. Two games.
How many times previously this season have you questioned his selections, yet he proved you wrong with the results? I'd guess rather more than twice.
Anyhow, when Michael was appointed, it will have been with one single objective: to avoid relegation (obviously).
Meaning it is unfair/unrealistic to judge him before Stoke are either mathematically safe, or mathematically doomed, which will possibly be the last game of the season.
Thereafter, it will only be when he has had a proper pre-season and (ideally) been allowed to assemble a squad of his own choosing, that he can be judged by the same criteria as other managers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:05:17 GMT
I notice you've carefully omitted losing two must-win games back to back in your balanced assessment, The team selections for both were bafflingly bad and the consequences of those losses have dragged us right back in the muck... MON is better than GR and NJ but not immune from criticism at all. Two games. How many times previously this season have you questioned his selections, yet he proved you wrong with the results? I'd guess rather more than twice. Anyhow, when Michael was appointed, it will have been with one single objective: to avoid relegation (obviously). Meaning it is unfair/unrealistic to judge him before Stoke are either mathematically safe, or mathematically doomed, which will possibly be the last game of the season. Thereafter, it will only be when he has had a proper pre-season and (ideally) been allowed to assemble a squad of his own choosing, that he can be judged by the same criteria as other managers.
Fuck me how many accounts do you have... I've been deeply sceptical of loads of his games - have a look at my posts (or dont) Fair prise where it's merit and fair criticism where it's due. Agree a pre-season signings etc will have a huge impact on his success at stoke. But it doesnt change his bonkers outlook in quite a few games we've had up to this point.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2020 18:07:41 GMT
He's not immune to criticism, but to replace yet another manager is pretty brainless right now. He's doing Ok with the tools provided. He’s got some tools in that squad alright😏
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Post by markby on Jul 5, 2020 23:41:48 GMT
Two games. How many times previously this season have you questioned his selections, yet he proved you wrong with the results? I'd guess rather more than twice. Anyhow, when Michael was appointed, it will have been with one single objective: to avoid relegation (obviously). Meaning it is unfair/unrealistic to judge him before Stoke are either mathematically safe, or mathematically doomed, which will possibly be the last game of the season. Thereafter, it will only be when he has had a proper pre-season and (ideally) been allowed to assemble a squad of his own choosing, that he can be judged by the same criteria as other managers.
Fuck me how many accounts do you have... Eh? Just the one account, actually.I've been deeply sceptical of loads of his games - have a look at my posts (or dont) Fair prise where it's merit and fair criticism where it's due. No manager has ever come into a struggling side and immediately turned things round every game, every time. Remember, two steps forward, one step back still represents progress overall, so it's unreasonable to lambast him for the odd bad result entirely out of context.Agree a pre-season signings etc will have a huge impact on his success at stoke. But it doesnt change his bonkers outlook in quite a few games we've had up to this point. Aye, right, in the midst of what is a genuine and sustained, if gradual upturn in fortunes for the club, every now and then he suddenly becomes "bonkers" for a bit.
Having followed his career closely for 8 years, I can tell you that that simply isn't him; on the contrary, one of his strengths is ability to "treat those two Imposters, Triumph and Disaster, just the same."
And I know when it's your own club, you live every victory and die every defeat, but you shouldn't lose perspective, which if I may say so, is what you seem to be doing.
Keep The Faith!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 0:23:56 GMT
I take it this Jury that is still out on MON is is missing 11 people then
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 9, 2020 17:33:39 GMT
The absolute state of some of you lot on this board. Hang your heads in shame. We had 8 points from 14 games when MON came in. We needed a miracle to even have a sniff of staying up. The form since he arrived has been play off form, with a squad that looked fucking awful before he arrived. We had never scored 3 goals in a game in about 100 years before he arrived, then we start scoring 3, 4 and 5 goals for fun after. We had a couple of shit performances after lockdown (and lets be honest, they were absolutely fucking woeful) and then some start actually questioning the manager (after the walking on water he'd done in the months previous) and even talk of protests?! Jesus wept. The manager isn't beyond criticism, and he deserves a bit of stick for some of his team selections and tactics from the past couple of games, but some of the hyperbole and utter arse gravy spouted on this board in the aftermath was way above and beyond anything warranted. You wouldn't know a good thing if it smacked you in the face. You okay hun?
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 9, 2020 17:34:13 GMT
Fuck it, I'm in, where are we meeting
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 9, 2020 17:45:36 GMT
Only shallow supporters would be wanting MON out
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 9, 2020 17:50:19 GMT
Anyone who wants MON out is either joking or completely mental.
He's worked wonders to get the odd performance from these wankers.
He needs the backing to bring in half a team this summer
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 9, 2020 17:51:04 GMT
We would have been dead and buried long ago of we had kept Jones. At least MON has given us some hope. Sadly the most diabolical squad ive ever witnessed in my time as a fan, has proceeded to take a wage without any consistent output. Its a shame we couldnt use furlough to fuck most of em off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:56:16 GMT
We would have been dead and buried long ago of we had kept Jones. At least MON has given us some hope. Sadly the most diabolical squad ive ever witnessed in my time as a fan, has proceeded to take a wage without any consistent output. Its a shame we couldnt use furlough to fuck most of em off. This is the point. NJ and GR being human dog shit might make MON look better by comparison but 'better' is not good enough. You can follow him for as many years as you like, he isn't good enough to make this squad good enough to survive.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 9, 2020 17:56:22 GMT
I dont think he's any good.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 9, 2020 17:58:20 GMT
It's the players who need fucking off: three successive managers have failed to get a tune out of them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:04:56 GMT
The absolute state of some of you lot on this board. Hang your heads in shame. We had 8 points from 14 games when MON came in. We needed a miracle to even have a sniff of staying up. The form since he arrived has been play off form, with a squad that looked fucking awful before he arrived. We had never scored 3 goals in a game in about 100 years before he arrived, then we start scoring 3, 4 and 5 goals for fun after. We had a couple of shit performances after lockdown (and lets be honest, they were absolutely fucking woeful) and then some start actually questioning the manager (after the walking on water he'd done in the months previous) and even talk of protests?! Jesus wept. The manager isn't beyond criticism, and he deserves a bit of stick for some of his team selections and tactics from the past couple of games, but some of the hyperbole and utter arse gravy spouted on this board in the aftermath was way above and beyond anything warranted. You wouldn't know a good thing if it smacked you in the face. You okay hun? Fine. And you?
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Post by minnierover on Jul 9, 2020 18:05:14 GMT
He is what he is, steady eddie british manager but not very inspiring. If we stay up then it should be thanks but no thanks. Leeds and Albion have big name continental managers who are scholars of the game. Their teams play lovely football and they’re 1st and 2nd for a reason. Then there’s Thomas Frank at Brentford, again lovely football and in 3rd spot. Show some ambition, go and pay for a top manager and get back in the prem in style.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 9, 2020 18:05:53 GMT
Anyone who wants MON out is either joking or completely mental. He's worked wonders to get the odd performance from these wankers. He needs the backing to bring in half a team this summer Heard that before
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Post by werrington on Jul 9, 2020 18:07:05 GMT
Anybody who wants O’Neill out needs sectioning but he’s not immune from criticism
His tactics at times are utterly inane and mind boggling....that second half had it all in a nutshell
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:07:15 GMT
We'd be dead and buried without MON.
Fact.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 9, 2020 18:08:38 GMT
We'd be dead and buried without MON. Fact. Spot on It’s the players
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 9, 2020 18:10:35 GMT
Anybody who wants O’Neill out needs sectioning but he’s not immune from criticism His tactics at times are utterly inane and mind boggling....that second half had it all in a nutshell True However, there's times when the players on the pitch can't do the basics, can't track a runner, get done by a simple give and go, can't keep possession. He's nothing to work with
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 9, 2020 18:10:41 GMT
We would have been dead and buried long ago of we had kept Jones. At least MON has given us some hope. Sadly the most diabolical squad ive ever witnessed in my time as a fan, has proceeded to take a wage without any consistent output. Its a shame we couldnt use furlough to fuck most of em off. This is the point. NJ and GR being human dog shit might make MON look better by comparison but 'better' is not good enough. You can follow him for as many years as you like, he isn't good enough to make this squad good enough to survive. Can there be such a thing as human dog shit?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 18:12:51 GMT
This is the point. NJ and GR being human dog shit might make MON look better by comparison but 'better' is not good enough. You can follow him for as many years as you like, he isn't good enough to make this squad good enough to survive. Can there be such a thing as human dog shit? Thought long and hard about just how fucking bad those managers were, and all i could think was theyre about as bad as a person eating dogshit and shitting that shit out.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 9, 2020 18:13:29 GMT
Has there ever been a more unlikeable bunch in our history?
This is a common question we seem to be saying every season for the last 3 or 4
Surprised we still have a fan base
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 18:14:31 GMT
Anybody who wants O’Neill out needs sectioning but he’s not immune from criticism His tactics at times are utterly inane and mind boggling....that second half had it all in a nutshell True However, there's times when the players on the pitch can't do the basics, can't track a runner, get done by a simple give and go, can't keep possession. He's nothing to work with I’m not calling for his head but he’ll never get us promoted.
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