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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 2, 2020 13:15:09 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 2, 2020 13:16:52 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 2, 2020 13:22:21 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. The reality is that the 3 years under him will be the best Stoke years many of us will experience in our Stoke City lifetime. Just something to consider. All managers make mistakes though. Good interview that.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jul 2, 2020 13:57:59 GMT
I do think he would have got the points to keep us up but he still needed to be sacked at the end of that dreadful season relegation or not.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 2, 2020 14:18:53 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. Have you forgotten just how toxic the situation was at the time?
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Post by juiceandbits on Jul 2, 2020 14:25:40 GMT
He was able to bring in a calibre of player we'd never seen before - consistently.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 2, 2020 14:41:08 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. Have you forgotten just how toxic the situation was at the time? Not as toxic as it is now
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2020 14:46:07 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. Hughes masterminded our 3 9th places, and he masterminded our demise and relegation. He took Pulis's squad, brought in FBs, brought in creative players, and got the team playing a more expansive game, encouraging N'Zonzi to venture forward. But he neglected defending, lost good players who weren't replaced, was lax about discipline, and approved a series of wretched signings. During his last 2 months tenure, we played terribly, regularly conceded 3 or more goals, only beating two teams who were even worse than us. There is absolutely no evidence that he could have turned thing round. Lambert did arrest the GA rate, but we were incapable of scoring, something that started under Hughes., when Arni left.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 2, 2020 15:00:16 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. Hughes masterminded our 3 9th places, and he masterminded our demise and relegation. He took Pulis's squad, brought in FBs, brought in creative players, and got the team playing a more expansive game, encouraging N'Zonzi to venture forward. But he neglected defending, lost good players who weren't replaced, was lax about discipline, and approved a series of wretched signings. During his last 2 months tenure, we played terribly, regularly conceded 3 or more goals, only beating two teams who were even worse than us. There is absolutely no evidence that he could have turned thing round. Lambert did arrest the GA rate, but we were incapable of scoring, something that started under Hughes., when Arni left. Spot on, the fact that he left us in a mess should not be allowed to erase the success and wonderful football that came before he lost the plot and the board failed to act quickly enough.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 2, 2020 15:00:43 GMT
Have you forgotten just how toxic the situation was at the time? Not as toxic as it is now We're not discussing now, we're discussing then. Near the end of his tenure, people were calling for his head--the club needed to do something to feed the lions. I liked Hughes, but keeping him was not the answer in that environment.
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Post by Jimm on Jul 2, 2020 15:04:30 GMT
We could of been something :( If we'd of kept Nzonzi and Arnie and made the right transfers, it could of been a special ride :( quite depressing to think back
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:14:55 GMT
He's exactly right and I think he gets far too little credit for the first three years and I also think he would have kept us in the Premiership that season. The reality is that the 3 years under him will be the best Stoke years many of us will experience in our Stoke City lifetime. Just something to consider. All managers make mistakes though. Good interview that. Bumped into him about 6 months ago and he was almost apologetic when I said who I supported until I said to him what I'd give for some of those games again and top 10 in the Prem. He seemed really pleased and a real top bloke. Best football I ever saw, taking Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool etc apart
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:19:44 GMT
Raising the bar?
By the end of his time here, he couldn't raise a stiff.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 2, 2020 15:32:10 GMT
Years 1 to 3 - raising the bar Year 4 - wanted twatting with an iron bar.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 2, 2020 22:08:14 GMT
We could of been something If we'd of kept Nzonzi and Arnie and made the right transfers, it could of been a special ride quite depressing to think back Nzonzi was a class player who we never replaced and it might be a while before we get another player with his quality.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 22:17:42 GMT
It appears that our demise is all about Nzonzi and Arnie in my book. Two key players never replaced, Arnie was disappointing as Hughes gave him his best chance, which he took and then put two fingers up at Hughes and Stoke because he was an ambitious but greedy twat. Nzonzi left as a natural career progression - fair play to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:35:32 GMT
It appears that our demise is all about Nzonzi and Arnie in my book. Two key players never replaced, Arnie was disappointing as Hughes gave him his best chance, which he took and then put two fingers up at Hughes and Stoke because he was an ambitious but greedy twat. Nzonzi left as a natural career progression - fair play to him. Easier said than done though Let's not forget we almost landed Timo Werner at one stage from Stuttgart
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 3, 2020 7:57:23 GMT
It appears that our demise is all about Nzonzi and Arnie in my book. Two key players never replaced, Arnie was disappointing as Hughes gave him his best chance, which he took and then put two fingers up at Hughes and Stoke because he was an ambitious but greedy twat. Nzonzi left as a natural career progression - fair play to him. I would say it was largely about losing our best players and not replacing with equivalent, or better. But there were many other areas of neglect and poor choice, during Hughes latter years. I mentioned above he neglected defending, never found another Huth and allowed Pulis' players to age and not bring in competition for the LFB role. Apart from Shaq and Allen, his later signings were terrible, and indiscipline was rife apparently in the dressing room.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 3, 2020 16:07:52 GMT
IT surprises me the amount of shit he gets, like people are just airbrushing away those first three seasons. We will probably never have moments like that again, beating Liverpool 6-1, playing Man city off the park ffs!
It may have all gone Pete tong but will never forget that period, early 14 to early 16.
If the board had replaced him at the end of 16/17, he would rightly be regarded as one of our greatest managers
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 3, 2020 16:09:23 GMT
The reality is that the 3 years under him will be the best Stoke years many of us will experience in our Stoke City lifetime. Just something to consider. All managers make mistakes though. Good interview that. Bumped into him about 6 months ago and he was almost apologetic when I said who I supported until I said to him what I'd give for some of those games again and top 10 in the Prem. He seemed really pleased and a real top bloke. Best football I ever saw, taking Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool etc apart Good story that mate, get the impression from his interviews he still likes us as a club
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Post by sd22 on Jul 3, 2020 16:40:44 GMT
IT surprises me the amount of shit he gets, like people are just airbrushing away those first three seasons. We will probably never have moments like that again, beating Liverpool 6-1, playing Man city off the park ffs! It may have all gone Pete tong but will never forget that period, early 14 to early 16. If the board had replaced him at the end of 16/17, he would rightly be regarded as one of our greatest managers I gave him no end of stick, completely neglecting the past 3 seasons. Thinking back on it now, giving the shrewd signings he made during his time (although some dreadful ones!) I believe that with the January window he could’ve kept us up. I don’t believe the problem falls at Hughes doorstep!
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Post by march4 on Jul 3, 2020 16:48:15 GMT
Three 9th places compared to plodding along between 11th and 15th every season with good cup runs.
I prefer the latter because we would still be in the top division and could well have won some silverware by now.
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Post by bobdebilde on Jul 3, 2020 17:16:13 GMT
we needed a decent goalscorer, central midfielder and centre half, we got beraheno, wimmer and imbuila three shocking signings for most of our transfer budget.If these signings had worked I think he'd still be here now but he must take the blame as we have been told the manager had the final say on transfers.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2020 18:09:25 GMT
As long as you don't let him put together his own team you'll be fine.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 3, 2020 18:42:28 GMT
He was able to bring in a calibre of player we'd never seen before - consistently. Is that a joke? Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Jesse, Boney. Not sure if Ndaiye was his signing. Yes he did bring in good players as well but the signing of imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for an eye watering £50m contributed massively to our demise imo.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 3, 2020 19:14:56 GMT
He was able to bring in a calibre of player we'd never seen before - consistently. Is that a joke? Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Jesse, Boney. Not sure if Ndaiye was his signing. Yes he did bring in good players as well but the signing of imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for an eye watering £50m contributed massively to our demise imo. Ndaiye joined after he was sacked, I would imagine he was on his way in as were Bauer and Stafylidis. Some others you may want to consider who joined on his watch were; Guidetti, Van Ginkel, Joselu, Sobhi, Teixeira, Sidwell, Fletcher, Choupo Moting. There was circa 30 players who joined us during his watch. The questions for me are (1) how many players added value to the club’s long term progress/stability, (2) how many realised a profit for the club on leaving and (3) how many went on to play at the same or a higher level
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 19:29:39 GMT
He was able to bring in a calibre of player we'd never seen before - consistently. Is that a joke? Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Jesse, Boney. Not sure if Ndaiye was his signing. Yes he did bring in good players as well but the signing of imbula, Berahino and Wimmer for an eye watering £50m contributed massively to our demise imo. He would have been crucified by so many on here if Bony didn't sign. Personally saw nothing about him after he went to Man City. Thought Imbula was a steal for about...8 days after we signed him. Looked a player for a brief moment in time
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 3, 2020 19:59:04 GMT
I don't get what went wrong. In that interview, Hughes mentions the steel of the Pulis side and says all teams need that. Yet why didn't he replace that steel?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 20:11:06 GMT
Nzonzi left as a natural career progression - fair play to him. You seem to have forgotten how Nzonzi went about doing it. Every season at the end of it he/his agent father would ask for a transfer, so there was always an air of instability around him. The last year he was POTY and said in his acceptance that this year he was looking for stability, he had just had a kid, and he knew he owed everything to the club, and blah blah blah. One or two weeks later Sevilla made a bid and off he went.
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Post by lordb on Jul 3, 2020 21:21:08 GMT
Nzonzi left as a natural career progression - fair play to him. You seem to have forgotten how Nzonzi went about doing it. Every season at the end of it he/his agent father would ask for a transfer, so there was always an air of instability around him. The last year he was POTY and said in his acceptance that this year he was looking for stability, he had just had a kid, and he knew he owed everything to the club, and blah blah blah. One or two weeks later Sevilla made a bid and off he went. ... for less money than we offered him.
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