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Post by chigstoke on Jul 2, 2020 12:24:57 GMT
Interesting comment about Hughes
It can’t be denied he played a big part though? Something certainly hadn’t been right for a long time. More reference to the shite attitude of some of our players?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 2, 2020 12:25:56 GMT
Charlie, you would have kept us up if you hadn't fucked that penalty up.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 2, 2020 12:29:51 GMT
Whos he on about?
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Post by rorystowel on Jul 2, 2020 12:29:59 GMT
Interesting comment It can’t be denied he played a big part though? Something certainly hadn’t been right for a long time. More reference to the white attitude of some of our players? Who’s he on about, Paul Lambert? |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 2, 2020 12:30:39 GMT
Surely not fucking Hughes.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 2, 2020 12:32:51 GMT
Surely not fucking Hughes. Yes mate |
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 2, 2020 12:34:03 GMT
Interesting comment It can’t be denied he played a big part though? Something certainly hadn’t been right for a long time. More reference to the white attitude of some of our players? Who’s he on about, Paul Lambert? Hughes, I’ve edited the OP so it’s now mentions him. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 2, 2020 12:37:50 GMT
Charlie, you would have kept us up if you hadn't fucked that penalty up. Might make a good story but a relegation does not come down to 1 penalty....its over 38 games. After the last 3 games I'm not going to a criticise a player who could actually pass a football to a teammate successfully. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2020 12:54:04 GMT
Charlie, you would have kept us up if you hadn't fucked that penalty up. Might make a good story but a relegation does not come down to 1 penalty....its over 38 games. After the last 3 games I'm not going to a criticise a player who could actually pass a football to a teammate successfully. You’re right, that’s why I hold him equally culpable for pissing about and giving the ball away on the halfway line against Newcastle who scored the winner off it, the penalty and then getting sent off against Everton. For a man who featured so little that year, he didn’t half have a terribly bad impact. But he wasn’t alone in that regard. |
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 2, 2020 13:04:46 GMT
You getting sent off and then shanking a penalty whilst your follow up was speedy as me nan, didnt really help the cause though Charles
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 2, 2020 13:04:54 GMT
Sick of hearing it myself, when are they ever going to put it to bed ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2020 13:05:11 GMT
Pure conjecture but not a hope in hell in my opinion,he’d totally lost the plot
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:12:20 GMT
It's been done to death. Did Hughes totally lose the plot? Yes.
Would he have got the 4 extra points needed to stay up compared to Lambert? In hindsight I think possibly.
But I'm bored of speculating.......
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 2, 2020 13:28:44 GMT
Who knows !! I thought Hughes reached his sell by date the end of season before but the sorry series of events since then just seems to show something rotten in the club , seemed MON had stopped the decline but last three games as bad as anything .
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Post by 16quidachuck on Jul 2, 2020 13:38:18 GMT
i agree. i think he would have done.
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2020 13:43:51 GMT
He also said Mark Hughes' best quality is his man management and setting up a team with an identity.
That's funny because his last 2 seasons showed the complete opposite. He deserved to get sacked.
Having said that, I do actually think we would have survived under Hughes. In the end we were 3 points from survival, with his Southampton team finishing above us.
We would've ground out wins vs Brighton and Palace at the very least.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 2, 2020 13:44:52 GMT
I’d like to know what that’s based on other than a hunch. Every statistic was pointing to us going down. We were shit and getting worse. There was no evidence that we were capable of getting out of the downward spiral, and that performance at Coventry (Charlie included) was criminal.
If by some miracle we’d have survived that season, we’d have only gone the year after anyway. We’d have sacked Hughes in the summer, appointed Lambert or Phil Brown, and been even more wank. Just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 2, 2020 13:45:45 GMT
Sick of hearing it myself, when are they ever going to put it to bed ? I blame Pulis 🏳 (Cue another polarising debate over spilt milk we can do fuck all about) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:49:10 GMT
Lol. Check out the Twitter feed. Loads of parched references.
I'm picking up a few Stokies in a bad mood. Charlie is going to get pelters here.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 2, 2020 14:15:25 GMT
You getting sent off and then shanking a penalty whilst your follow up was speedy as me nan, didnt really help the cause though Charles Speedy or not he was fouled as he was going to put the ball into an empty net. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 2, 2020 14:22:45 GMT
Might make a good story but a relegation does not come down to 1 penalty....its over 38 games. After the last 3 games I'm not going to a criticise a player who could actually pass a football to a teammate successfully. You’re right, that’s why I hold him equally culpable for pissing about and giving the ball away on the halfway line against Newcastle who scored the winner off it, the penalty and then getting sent off against Everton. For a man who featured so little that year, he didn’t half have a terribly bad impact. But he wasn’t alone in that regard. Wonder if you hold diouf as culpable for missing numerous sitters or Shawcross for defying the laws of physics in missing vs crystal Palace? Have you actually watched that Newcastle goal again? The ball was lost ten yards into the Newcastle half. To totally blame him for that goal is clutching. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 2, 2020 14:28:28 GMT
You’re right, that’s why I hold him equally culpable for pissing about and giving the ball away on the halfway line against Newcastle who scored the winner off it, the penalty and then getting sent off against Everton. For a man who featured so little that year, he didn’t half have a terribly bad impact. But he wasn’t alone in that regard. Wonder if you hold diouf as culpable for missing numerous sitters or Shawcross for defying the laws of physics in missing vs crystal Palace? Have you actually watched that Newcastle goal again? The ball was lost ten yards into the Newcastle half. To totally blame him for that goal is clutching. “He wasn’t alone in that regard” Was pretty clear I thought. He was crap, along with the rest of them. But unlike the others he often runs his mouth about the whole saga and tries to crap on the one of the few players who actually achieved anything in that squad. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 2, 2020 16:03:38 GMT
He'll probably turn into the modern day version of David Icke if he carries on like this. What next he thinks there's a man on the moon who could have played left wing? Twerp.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 2, 2020 16:07:48 GMT
He also said Mark Hughes' best quality is his man management and setting up a team with an identity. That's funny because his last 2 seasons showed the complete opposite. He deserved to get sacked. Having said that, I do actually think we would have survived under Hughes. In the end we were 3 points from survival, with his Southampton team finishing above us. We would've ground out wins vs Brighton and Palace at the very least. I can only assume you never went to Coventry in the FA cup. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 2, 2020 16:18:01 GMT
I still think Diouf missing open goal v Burnley was worse than Adam penalty miss
Butland howler at Leicester when we were coasting to a win
however Hughes insane wingbacks with Eric & Mame as the wingbacks (+ Wimmer) was the ultimate killer for me.
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2020 16:45:40 GMT
He also said Mark Hughes' best quality is his man management and setting up a team with an identity. That's funny because his last 2 seasons showed the complete opposite. He deserved to get sacked. Having said that, I do actually think we would have survived under Hughes. In the end we were 3 points from survival, with his Southampton team finishing above us. We would've ground out wins vs Brighton and Palace at the very least. I can only assume you never went to Coventry in the FA cup. I went to Coventry. We were awful. We were also awful vs Wolves the season before. Both sackable results. I’m not saying we were wrong to sack him. I’m just saying we were better placed to stay up with Hughes in charge than the person that replaced him. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 2, 2020 17:27:47 GMT
Charlie, you would have kept us up if you hadn't fucked that penalty up. Might make a good story but a relegation does not come down to 1 penalty....its over 38 games. After the last 3 games I'm not going to a criticise a player who could actually pass a football to a teammate successfully. I do actually agree. I loved Charlie Adam despite his crap last Prem season. I'm just in a foul mood about Stoke and could do without ex players doing an "I told you so" routine. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 2, 2020 17:38:12 GMT
In that final season under Hughes we were sinking fast and we should have sacked him sooner really.
We would have been relegated if Hughes had stayed - it's just revisionism to suggest otherwise.
The problem was that we replaced him with Paul Lambert ...
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 2, 2020 17:38:54 GMT
I could take that coming from anybody but Charlie.
The bloke whose personal performances were absolutely shocking.
Between getting sent off and missing penalties, as much blame falls at his feet as Hughes' for me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
Charlie, you would have kept us up if you hadn't fucked that penalty up. Or cut down on the pies a little. |
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