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Post by chigstoke on Jul 22, 2020 12:32:01 GMT
”Wigan Athletic are proud to announce Norman Smurthwaite as the clubs new owner.”
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jul 22, 2020 12:33:57 GMT
We clearly have a legislative minefield here with allegations of dodgy accounting and financial jiggery pokery. The people I feel sorry for are the Wigan fans who have been shafted. Wigan is an example of when a local businessman builds up a club and, after a passage of time, sells out to dodgy owners who clearly don't care a fig about Wigan and their loyal fans. Lessons to be learned here?
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 22, 2020 12:34:30 GMT
”Wigan Athletic are proud to announce Norman Smurthwaite as the clubs new owner.” or somebody off the Hong Kong Casino forum.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 22, 2020 12:38:46 GMT
Wigan would still be in the drink without it.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 22, 2020 12:56:20 GMT
Administrative bloat is an iron law of the modern organization, be it sports or wherever. Each club will now have to hire a bunch of investigators to ferret out the misdemeanors of all the other clubs in the division and a bunch of lawyers to defend themselves against all the investigators. Sounds like fun. Who needs actual football?
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 22, 2020 12:56:47 GMT
Fully agree, but what’s that got to do with Wigan going into administration?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 22, 2020 13:02:25 GMT
Heard Simon Stone (the BEEB) saying Wigan's defence vs. administration is actually force majeure (that old chestnut, an act of god).
This is on the basis that if the EFL passed the new owner(s) as 'fit and proper' before they went into admin., then how could the club know they weren't fit and proper and would pull the plug a week or so later?
Which, on the face of it seems justified but actually, is equally as limp as the other argument being bandied about (covid 19).
The covid one doesn't hold water as it was 'sold' during the pandemic (i.e. any new owner knew what was cracking off) and, to me at least, the force majeure one doesn't cover it because it seems to split the club between the physical, English bit (who clearly didn't know admittedly) and the HK bit who did.
Whereas (I'd have thought) there can be no distinct and separate 'bits', but only one - the legal entity that is the whole club.
And, of course, that doesn't exclude the possibility that there may be some Company's House jiggery pokery going on that might actually split the 'physical' club and, say, a holding co in HK, idk.
Whatever, two things are glaringly obvious: the EFL are just not fot for purpose currently and, as ever, it'll only be the lawyers that will be getting rich quick over this one (& the Sheff. Wed / Derby cases too).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 14:15:41 GMT
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 24, 2020 14:20:03 GMT
What a shit show.
Not the luck they need right now obviously but equally, the very last thing they need is ano rogue owner if bidder 1 was up to no good.
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Post by Northy on Jul 31, 2020 18:06:05 GMT
Wasn't today their appeal hearing date ?
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 31, 2020 18:46:59 GMT
Why did Barnsley celebrate staying up?
Surely they knew Wigan would appeal. You would have thought they'd save anything until it's absolutely crystal
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Post by werrington on Jul 31, 2020 18:48:50 GMT
Why did Barnsley celebrate staying up? Surely they knew Wigan would appeal. You would have thought they'd save anything until it's absolutely crystal Wigan can appeal all they want Administration means a 12 points deduction whatever the circumstances
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 31, 2020 18:53:09 GMT
Why did Barnsley celebrate staying up? Surely they knew Wigan would appeal. You would have thought they'd save anything until it's absolutely crystal Wigan can appeal all they want Administration means a 12 points deduction whatever the circumstances Whilst I have been of this opinion from the off, why the hell do they have the option of an appeal if it's so set in stone as we and everyone else seems to think so? An appeal means in reality that it could get overturned yes, or what's the point?
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 31, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
Do we know what are the grounds for appeal? I can only think of force majeur, but then other clubs have not gone into administration due to the pandemic.
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Post by werrington on Jul 31, 2020 19:07:49 GMT
Wigan can appeal all they want Administration means a 12 points deduction whatever the circumstances Whilst I have been of this opinion from the off, why the hell do they have the option of an appeal if it's so set in stone as we and everyone else seems to think so? An appeal means in reality that it could get overturned yes, or what's the point? There are no grounds for an appeal success no matter the circumstances ...ask Luton Town It’s black and white.....go into administration and it’s a minimum 12 points deduction
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 31, 2020 19:09:41 GMT
Whilst I have been of this opinion from the off, why the hell do they have the option of an appeal if it's so set in stone as we and everyone else seems to think so? An appeal means in reality that it could get overturned yes, or what's the point? There are no grounds for an appeal success no matter the circumstances ...ask Luton Town It’s black and white.....go into administration and it’s a minimum 12 points deduction That's my point mate there should not be an option of an appeal, as an appeal suggests you could/can win it.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 31, 2020 20:00:01 GMT
Whilst I have been of this opinion from the off, why the hell do they have the option of an appeal if it's so set in stone as we and everyone else seems to think so? An appeal means in reality that it could get overturned yes, or what's the point? There are no grounds for an appeal success no matter the circumstances ...ask Luton Town It’s black and white.....go into administration and it’s a minimum 12 points deduction Not sure this is 100% correct Werrington. (Although I’m open to correction) Administration is an “insolvency event”, like Receivership, Blackpool had theirs overturned on appeal.
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 31, 2020 22:11:39 GMT
I'm just glad we're not the ones in Barnsley's position - it must be crap having to wait for all this to play out.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 31, 2020 23:03:18 GMT
I'm just glad we're not the ones in Barnsley's position - it must be crap having to wait for all this to play out. I would imagine if the wigan deduction is overturned Barnsley will appeal the Sheff weds delay untill next season This could go on for months
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 31, 2020 23:51:00 GMT
It's beyond a joke.
Gave up on football in 2011 for a number of reasons and it is a game that pushes me further and further away each passing year.
Absolute clowns running football and football clubs - and corrupt as feck - they should have VAR for the antics that go on behind closed doors.
Cheating on and off the pitch is becoming more and more of an accepted part of the game.
Awful, awful game and appalling role models at every level, but this is another level of absolute ineptness by the idiots supposedly in charge of the game - is there any common sense left anywhere in football
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 0:18:35 GMT
It's beyond a joke. Gave up on football in 2011 for a number of reasons and it is a game that pushes me further and further away each passing year. Absolute clowns running football and football clubs - and corrupt as feck - they should have VAR for the antics that go on behind closed doors. Cheating on and off the pitch is becoming more and more of an accepted part of the game. Awful, awful game and appalling role models at every level, but this is another level of absolute ineptness by the idiots supposedly in charge of the game - is there any common sense left anywhere in football If you’ve given up on football, why are you on here? Also yes, there’s some dicks in football, there’s also some decent ones like Rashford who have been pretty important for smaller scale and national charities
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Post by werrington on Aug 1, 2020 5:51:20 GMT
It's beyond a joke. Gave up on football in 2011 for a number of reasons and it is a game that pushes me further and further away each passing year. Absolute clowns running football and football clubs - and corrupt as feck - they should have VAR for the antics that go on behind closed doors. Cheating on and off the pitch is becoming more and more of an accepted part of the game. Awful, awful game and appalling role models at every level, but this is another level of absolute ineptness by the idiots supposedly in charge of the game - is there any common sense left anywhere in football Your threads don’t look like you gave up on football in 2011
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 6:41:42 GMT
I'm just glad we're not the ones in Barnsley's position - it must be crap having to wait for all this to play out. I would imagine if the wigan deduction is overturned Barnsley will appeal the Sheff weds delay untill next season This could go on for months It can’t go on for months, the season starts in 6 weeks.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 1, 2020 6:51:05 GMT
I would imagine if the wigan deduction is overturned Barnsley will appeal the Sheff weds delay untill next season This could go on for months It can’t go on for months, the season starts in 6 weeks..... Court cases don't necessarily follow other timetables When your talking losses of millions then It can drag and drag
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Post by chad on Aug 1, 2020 7:08:22 GMT
It can’t go on for months, the season starts in 6 weeks..... Court cases don't necessarily follow other timetables When your talking losses of millions then It can drag and drag It can’t in this case though can it ? If the appeal dragged on for two months and they won it , but had started the new season in the “wrong” division how could you put that right. Nightmare
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 1, 2020 7:36:04 GMT
Court cases don't necessarily follow other timetables When your talking losses of millions then It can drag and drag It can’t in this case though can it ? If the appeal dragged on for two months and they won it , but had started the new season in the “wrong” division how could you put that right. Nightmare Exactly a nightmare all it will take is one of the relegated teams to resort to court action and the chaos begins
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 1, 2020 7:48:04 GMT
It's beyond a joke. Gave up on football in 2011 for a number of reasons and it is a game that pushes me further and further away each passing year. Absolute clowns running football and football clubs - and corrupt as feck - t hey should have VAR for the antics that go on behind closed doors.
Cheating on and off the pitch is becoming more and more of an accepted part of the game. Awful, awful game and appalling role models at every level, but this is another level of absolute ineptness by the idiots supposedly in charge of the game - is there any common sense left anywhere in football We have VAR for the football, but still manage to get the VAR decision "wrong". I am left screaming at my TV "How can they decide that?!" Meanwhile the game has been held up for minutes, which is often to the advantage of the "wrong side".
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Post by upthefud on Aug 1, 2020 8:45:28 GMT
Why did Barnsley celebrate staying up? Surely they knew Wigan would appeal. You would have thought they'd save anything until it's absolutely crystal 1 - because they hit a mad patch of form and scored a dramatic winner to secure survival 2 - playing to the whistle, surely not celebrating would have looked extremely weird? Wigan have entered administration and have been hit with a penalty that there’s no getting out of. Their relegation is clear as day as sad as it is
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 1, 2020 10:46:22 GMT
It's beyond a joke. Gave up on football in 2011 for a number of reasons and it is a game that pushes me further and further away each passing year. Absolute clowns running football and football clubs - and corrupt as feck - they should have VAR for the antics that go on behind closed doors. Cheating on and off the pitch is becoming more and more of an accepted part of the game. Awful, awful game and appalling role models at every level, but this is another level of absolute ineptness by the idiots supposedly in charge of the game - is there any common sense left anywhere in football If you’ve given up on football, why are you on here? Also yes, there’s some dicks in football, there’s also some decent ones like Rashford who have been pretty important for smaller scale and national charities I gave up my season ticket in 2011 and TV packages. I record Quest and flick through the games and come on here for the gossip and updates - Not quite gave up on SCFC - they are a ball n chain around my neck that I will never totally be able to get rid of I am enjoying Rugby at the moment and was spending Saturday afternoons watching my local team before lockdown. Proper gentlemen's game that, played by real men as opposed to football that is played by overpaid mollycoddled snowflakes who get upset if they have to trot around for 90 minutes more than once a week and think it is beneath themselves to play for Stoke - I mean why would you bother paying money to support those kind of characters and supporting a game that encourages cheating - do you think it is game with good morals and role models?
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 1, 2020 19:49:50 GMT
Cant help but think that Paul cooks departure is due to him knowing their appeal is unsuccessful
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