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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 1, 2020 17:27:56 GMT
On numerous occasions attacks down our right side ended with players in acres of space because we weren’t tracking. McClean unusually and Clucas were the worst offenders. Vokes worked hard as did Cousins but no-one bust a gut to go and support Vokes, Smith was the first full back to go past his winger. There was a total Lack of energy in the press compared to Wigan. Overall we didn’t run enough when we had the ball or press hard enough when we didnt. Wigan had 62% possession compared to 44% against Blackburn I don’t think it is unusual re McClean. It’s something that has been a feature of his game because he reacts to situation and doesn’t anticipate them. His tracking back is woeful. That team he put out isn’t going to press. Why start Vokes if you want a press? We were trying to press it was just we never had enough energy to sustain it.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 1, 2020 17:32:30 GMT
There is no reason for Collins to be at right back. Smith was fine vs Boro, play him. Clucas isn’t a number 10. He’s best running from deep. It totally takes him out of the game. If I was one of them I’d throw it back and tell him to pick a balanced side that is actually set up to win. Where did Clucas play as a no10? He played on the left side of a midfield 3 as I saw the game unfold. It was as basic a 4-3-3 system as you are likely to get last night. I don't know on Smith. I thought he was fine v Boro as well but maybe physically, he's not up to 2 games in 4 days. Those are the things we don't know but for a manager praised for the way in which is simplified things for the players pre-lockdown to now fall into the trap of complicating things unnecessarily, it seems a trifle odd don't you think? I'm pretty sure that there will be a team meeting today and hopefully no punches are pulled from players and manager alike. We are fast running out of time and we have to get a reaction and a result on Saturday. We didn’t have a 10, we had two 8s, right and left of Thomson. Clucas is at his best in a 2 with a right sided partner.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 17:53:45 GMT
Where did Clucas play as a no10? He played on the left side of a midfield 3 as I saw the game unfold. It was as basic a 4-3-3 system as you are likely to get last night. I don't know on Smith. I thought he was fine v Boro as well but maybe physically, he's not up to 2 games in 4 days. Those are the things we don't know but for a manager praised for the way in which is simplified things for the players pre-lockdown to now fall into the trap of complicating things unnecessarily, it seems a trifle odd don't you think? I'm pretty sure that there will be a team meeting today and hopefully no punches are pulled from players and manager alike. We are fast running out of time and we have to get a reaction and a result on Saturday. We didn’t have a 10, we had two 8s, right and left of Thomson. Clucas is at his best in a 2 with a right sided partner. Clucas is shit wherever he plays. Stop making excuses for him. He played left side of centre midfield last night. It should be easier in a 3 than a 2 as there is less ground to cover. He looks crap because he is crap.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 18:20:57 GMT
I notice Tyrese seems to escape criticism but watch Derby. Their forward Sibley is just 18 and shows the enthusiasm and tenacity, taking players on running at speed frightening the life out of defenders. That's what we should be seeing from Tyrese. I think our trouble is we've forgotten what enthusiastic players look like. Perhaps enthusiasm should be the word to use instead of effort. Again the only player who ever looks like he's enjoying himself is Allen.
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Post by march4 on Jul 1, 2020 18:41:23 GMT
After last night’s no show by the players, I think it would be a good gesture if they paid the fees we have all paid out for the stream.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 1, 2020 18:55:37 GMT
I think for Saturday he has to play the team & formation he did at Huddersfield. That was the most balanced I have seen for a while.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 1, 2020 18:58:31 GMT
I think for Saturday he has to play the team & formation he did at Huddersfield. That was the most balanced I have seen for a while. He needs to watch the dvd as looking at his nose last night a few Jameson's have gone down the hatch 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 18:58:34 GMT
But what I don't get is how this same group had produced play-off form from November until lockdown. The same unbalanced group full of average players "and things in the dressing room I don't like" had form only bettered by 3 or 4 teams over 20 games plus. Only difference is Joe Allen. All I'm saying
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 1, 2020 20:30:21 GMT
I’m struggling to get on board with the lack of effort stuff. There was or two that didn’t but overall I didn’t see a team not trying. Butland Ince And maybe Clucas being the ones who I think you can level it at. Every bugger else tried didn’t they? It was just a classic case of a cobbled together side with 3/4 players who shouldn’t have been starting or were out of position (Clucas’ issue imo). I was saying this when Jones was here, but most responses I got were in disagreement, so I didn't bother saying anything this time. Maybe you think the players weren't putting in effort under Jones though. I just thought it was a massive confidence issue.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 23:15:38 GMT
I don't know if anybody else did this but on Tuesday night while I watched the match stream I had Sky Sports news on instead of the commentary. I can't remember who the summariser was at Leeds but coming up to half time he said Luton had defended brilliantly, they were well drilled and everyone in the team was doing their job. That didn't sound like the Stoke defence or team under Nathan Jones. Often shambolic and disorganised were the words used to describe our defending. My question is if Stoke players are putting in the effort how come Luton players seem to understand what Nathan Jones wants but not Stoke players? I can't imagine that they are significantly more intelligent. To me this is evidence that Stoke players don't put in the effort or application on the training ground. Effort comes in lots of guises not just appearing to try hard in a match.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2020 7:47:21 GMT
But what I don't get is how this same group had produced play-off form from November until lockdown. The same unbalanced group full of average players "and things in the dressing room I don't like" had form only bettered by 3 or 4 teams over 20 games plus. Only difference is Joe Allen. All I'm saying No its not.
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