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Post by neddy on Jul 2, 2020 12:23:00 GMT
Ridiculous thread look at Whelan and Wigan for goodness sake!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 2, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
I think we should take pride in the fact we have local owners that are passionate about the club. Rather than millionaire from abroad that knows jack shit about the club.
Coates isn’t the problem.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 2, 2020 12:45:01 GMT
I think we should take pride in the fact we have local owners that are passionate about the club. Rather than millionaire from abroad that knows jack shit about the club. Coates isn’t the problem. Unfortunately Coates is very much part of the problem. Do I want him to sell as the thread suggests... No Do I want him to learn from his / the clubs obvious failings... Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 12:48:11 GMT
I’m not saying people shouldn’t be critical and pissed off at the ownership. They’ve fucked up so badly over the last 3 or 4 years. The recession of my own hairline over the past few seasons has been greatly advanced by the amount of times I’ve pulled my own hair out watching stoke, Homer Simpson style.
However, this (potential) relegation to league 1 makes me angry but I’m not frightened, and that’s solely because I have faith that the ownership, however retarded, will not let this club come to serious harm. Put crudely, they’ve got too much money and genuine emotional investment for that to happen even if it means breaking FFP with a bail out. This isn’t an existential crisis like 1998.
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Post by musik on Jul 2, 2020 12:51:54 GMT
So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. Yeah, pick me. I was offered to go to one of our first division top clubs in little Sweden both as a 15 year old and as a 17 year old. I was always selected in the starting line up (as a center forward) both in all the school teams and the military team at 21. My father was a manager and my brother have been at all levels. I can bring him as well. I have a golden coin beside me here, it's 10 SEK (£1). Will it be enough? Don't forget my (our) service/s. 👍
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Post by Veritas on Jul 2, 2020 13:00:18 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. What a load of twaddle
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Post by werrington on Jul 2, 2020 13:02:41 GMT
I think we should take pride in the fact we have local owners that are passionate about the club. Rather than millionaire from abroad that knows jack shit about the club. Coates isn’t the problem. Unfortunately Coates is very much part of the problem. Do I want him to sell as the thread suggests... No Do I want him to learn from his / the clubs obvious failings... Yes Oh he’s not totally blameless mate given his dithering over Hughes but it was madness to call for him to sell up before coronavirus but to ask for it now is utterly beyond reason given the current financial state of the world
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 2, 2020 13:12:59 GMT
Apart from the top 6 and Everton football these days goes in cycles. The year we got promoted to the Premiership, Leicester were relegated to the third tier yet now are the biggest threat to the top clubs. Leeds spent several years down there as have Sheffield Utd. A new owner won't guarantee anything but keeping Peter Coates guarantees that the club will exist for however long he is there.
You do realise that if Wigan don't find a buyer soon (and who would spend money buying a football club that relies on gate receipts for income at the moment?) they will not be in existence next season? Who do you think will buy Stoke, a club seemingly heading for the third tier which may not kick off its season til 2021? If anyone digs deeper than recent history the club has serious problems and is only running because of the money the Coates family provide. Do you think Bet 365 will continue their sponsorship or that the interest free loan will still be there if Coates goes?
Those people advocating that Coates sells up are like the Bournemouth fans saying that Eddie Howe should go cos he's not good enough to manage a Premiership club. Only 20 clubs can play in the Premiership and we are not one of the top 20 clubs in the country. Our rightful place is probably somewhere in the lower half of the Championship but Villa, Sunderland and Leeds should definitely be Premiership clubs. Forest and Derby have better claims than us and Coventry and Portsmouth could definitely claim to be our equals.
Our reputation has grown purely because of the Coates family who have built a club that is respected by football people as being good to work for. Please be realistic in what you wish for or expect from the Coates family. I am ashamed of the way fans talk about them after all they've done both during this crisis and the Premiership years. The OP talks about 'mediocre' years in the Premiership which, even though I take issue with that description, is better than I ever thought I'd experience. For a club with the gates we get we have had a great ten years which unfortunately have recently turned sour.
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Post by femark on Jul 2, 2020 13:16:20 GMT
If Coates sold the club, it'd be the final nail in the coffin
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 2, 2020 13:21:20 GMT
Here we have some of the wealthiest people in Britain running the football club as supporters of the club, albeit somewhat misguidedly at times, not just keeping us solvent when other clubs are going out of business but also spending a fortune, and we should seriously want them to sell up?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 2, 2020 13:22:55 GMT
Unfortunately Coates is very much part of the problem. Do I want him to sell as the thread suggests... No Do I want him to learn from his / the clubs obvious failings... Yes Oh he’s not totally blameless mate given his dithering over Hughes but it was madness to call for him to sell up before coronavirus but to ask for it now is utterly beyond reason given the current financial state of the world Spot on. The post corona virus football world (like much of the rest of the economy) is going to be populated by predators who (like the spivs during and immediately after WW2) will be looking to buy low, make a fast buck (possibly by assest stripping?) and move on to the next project. I feel sorry for any club who find themselves in need of a new owner at present. For every deal which works and which leaves a club in a good position, there will be many more that fail. The fact that we have owners who simply don't need to sell (because we are such a tiny percentage of their total business) is the biggest positive I can take from our current position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:25:48 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. I agree with everything with one exception. He is not a self-made millionaire. That’s a myth that is constantly repeated. He owned a few high-Street betting shops and catering business. He loaned a Denise money to start BET365 because she saw a great business opportunity. She paid daddy back and gave him some pocket money to buy Stoke so he would have something to do and keep out of the way. As one myth dies, another is created instantly...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 2, 2020 13:59:17 GMT
He doesn't need to sell, just replace his Son & Scholes with people who know about football.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 2, 2020 14:01:02 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. I agree with everything with one exception. He is not a self-made millionaire. That’s a myth that is constantly repeated. He owned a few high-Street betting shops and catering business. He loaned a Denise money to start BET365 because she saw a great business opportunity. She paid daddy back and gave him some pocket money to buy Stoke so he would have something to do and keep out of the way. Absolute rubbish. While his multi, multi millions have come in recent years from Denise's bet365, he was a millionaire in his own right before that. Not in the same league as he and his family are in right now and as you say the brains behind the bet365 idea was Denise, but still very much a successful millionaire and Denise wouldn't have had the success she's had without the money her father was able to give her to start up her idea. And that money was made off his own back with very humble beginnings. He was a successful businessman in his own era with ideas and business models that were right for the era in which he operated. And Denise became a successful businesswoman in her own era by taking on the platform laid down by her father and creating a successful business for the online era.
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Post by future100 on Jul 2, 2020 14:19:59 GMT
I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365. I think you are slightly overstating the status of Stoke City FC
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Post by thevoid on Jul 2, 2020 14:25:11 GMT
If Coates sold the club, it'd be the final nail in the coffin Why would it? It all depends on who may buy it at the time, so it's a bit of a daft statement really. They are running the club into the ground (again).
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 2, 2020 14:31:57 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. So you want to switch from a local born Stoke supporter to a Chinese unknown ? I despair of some opinions voiced on here,utter shite post.
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Post by march4 on Jul 2, 2020 14:54:37 GMT
If the Coates family leave the club it will be gone within the year.
Had Peter Coates not brought the club off the Icelanders we would not have been near the Prem and could well have spent a spell in the 4th Division by now.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 2, 2020 14:57:39 GMT
If the Coates family leave the club it will be gone within the year. Had Peter Coates not brought the club off the Icelanders we would not have been near the Prem and could well have spent a spell in the 4th Division by now. So true but an inconvenient truth for the ignorant and short of memory.
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 2, 2020 14:59:28 GMT
Crazy horse sh×t
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jul 2, 2020 14:59:37 GMT
The most idiotic thread I have read on here in a long time which is going some. Congratulations.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 2, 2020 15:04:21 GMT
I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365. Bet365 were a bigger company than Stoke City before we got promoted. If you believe Bet365 need Stoke City PLC in any capacity at all you are deluded. Stoke City PLCs survival depends on Bet365 at this point.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 2, 2020 15:12:03 GMT
John and Tony need to stop thinking they’re football men, take a step back and look after the financial side only.
They then need to employ a technical director who knows exactly what the club needs and how to achieve. They need to lay down a certain philosophy that coincides with the manager’s playing style and we go from there.
The biggest issue Is they’re still trying to run the club like it was in 2008, in 2020. It’s archaic.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jul 2, 2020 15:14:20 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. To paraphrase Captain Blackadder, "that's bollocks," a diatribe littered with factual, opinionated inaccuracies and bullshit.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 2, 2020 15:16:02 GMT
Our rightful place is probably somewhere in the lower half of the Championship but Villa, Sunderland and Leeds should definitely be Premiership clubs. Forest and Derby have better claims than us and Coventry and Portsmouth could definitely claim to be our equals. Our 'rightful place' (If there's such a thing in football) is in the top-flight. Number of years in the top-flight. Villa 106 (Puts them 2nd in the all-time table behind Everton) Sunderland 86 (8th) Derby 65 (15th) Stoke 62 (17th) Forest 56 (23rd) Leeds 50 (25th) Coventry 34 (28th) Portsmouth 33 (29th)
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Post by femark on Jul 2, 2020 15:16:13 GMT
If Coates sold the club, it'd be the final nail in the coffin Why would it? It all depends on who may buy it at the time, so it's a bit of a daft statement really. They are running the club into the ground (again). You would need to find someone willing to buy a club with limited profit potential, who has more money than the Coates family and supports the club. Where are you going to find said person?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:20:25 GMT
Why would it? It all depends on who may buy it at the time, so it's a bit of a daft statement really. They are running the club into the ground (again). You would need to find someone willing to buy a club with limited profit potential, who has more money than the Coates family and supports the club. Where are you going to find said person? A pirate DVD salesman from Shanghai apparently
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 2, 2020 15:20:47 GMT
Our rightful place is probably somewhere in the lower half of the Championship but Villa, Sunderland and Leeds should definitely be Premiership clubs. Forest and Derby have better claims than us and Coventry and Portsmouth could definitely claim to be our equals. Our 'rightful place' (If there's such a thing in football) is in the top-flight. Number of years in the top-flight. Villa 106 (Puts them 2nd in the all-time table behind Everton) Sunderland 86 (8th) Derby 65 (15th) Stoke 62 (17th) Forest 56 (23rd) Leeds 50 (25th) Coventry 34 (28th) Portsmouth 33 (29th) Our rightful place is exactly where we are. A team could be formed now and in 10 years be in the PL their rightful place would be the PL. You earn your right to play at the big table and just because you've been there before makes no difference to playing there again.
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Post by femark on Jul 2, 2020 15:21:41 GMT
I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365. You've won the award for most idiotic comment on the Oatcake, ever. Do you actually believe this or are you just being an arse?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 2, 2020 15:29:53 GMT
I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365. You've won the award for most idiotic comment on the Oatcake, ever. Do you actually believe this or are you just being an arse? OK maybe not massively, but it certainly hasn't hindered, week in week out, bet 365 on the shirts, stadium name aired to millions around the world, premier league, Cup finals, Europe, not to necessarily watch Stoke, but the opposing team who have millions of worldwide fans.
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