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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 30, 2020 21:07:59 GMT
From having Allen, NDaiye and Etebo we’re now relying on Thompson and Cousins who are out of there depth and Clucas and Ince who are passengers totally devoid of any effort.
We’re totally lacking the 2 main ingredients of a CM player in the modern game physicality and someone who can pass.
There is no answer with the current crop of players because they just aren’t good enough. The awful transfer business is catching up with us as the players who had quality had to be loaned out and we’re left with div 1 players.
We’re that bad that I think we could do worse than play Collins in CM.
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Post by musik on Jun 30, 2020 21:09:29 GMT
Clucas and McClean can have decent games, but someone's missing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:10:42 GMT
We were doing fine before the break......
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jun 30, 2020 21:19:30 GMT
I think the problem is more that we are shit at the back, crap in midfield and shite up front.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 30, 2020 21:21:07 GMT
I think the problem is more that we are shit at the back, crap in midfield and shite up front. You're subconscious forgets the goalkeeper, ironic really. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2020 21:23:13 GMT
Every goal came from the left.
We’ve needed a better midfield for years but tonight every issue stemmed from the left.
Ultimately though the 3 things that we all know about cost. The left back, the idiot in goal and a weak as piss midfield.
But tonight is more about that left hand side and the clown in nets imo.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 30, 2020 21:24:28 GMT
Every goal came from the left. We’ve needed a better midfield for years but tonight every issue stemmed from the left. Ultimately though the 3 things that we all know about cost. The left back, the idiot in goal and a weak as piss midfield. But tonight is more about that left hand side and the clown in nets imo. "what left back problem" |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jun 30, 2020 21:28:18 GMT
I think the problem is more that we are shit at the back, crap in midfield and shite up front. You're subconscious forgets the goalkeeper, ironic really. Thanks for that.... Oh and a piss poor clown between the sticks. |
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Post by seanpearse on Jun 30, 2020 21:35:56 GMT
View from the outside no emotional attachment
I said last year young hungry players not journey men average premier players looking for a last pay dayave gave.
That's what you needed Gary rowett was the d sayto start of your problem he loves a old has been also he was tacticaly inept
I believe your club has bigger issues than managers I think your players have gave up
I've looked at your remaining fixtures i believe you are down
I first came on here to warn you about rowett ball and boring football etc I was astonished to see posts sayingwad you would p1ss this league I tried to say how competitive it was but some knew better told me how rich your club was
Well now you will be the richest club in div 1 and you may well stay there for a while also
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2020 21:37:04 GMT
Every goal came from the left. We’ve needed a better midfield for years but tonight every issue stemmed from the left. Ultimately though the 3 things that we all know about cost. The left back, the idiot in goal and a weak as piss midfield. But tonight is more about that left hand side and the clown in nets imo. "what left back problem" Thinking about it, every goal we’ve conceded since the resumption has come from the left. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 30, 2020 21:46:43 GMT
The midfield is piss weak, but any decent side is built from the back. When you are giving 2 or 3 goals a game away. It doesn't matter who's up front. Our fullbacks are continually targeted by every team we play. It's so obvious what every team is coached to do against us. We fall for the same tactics talk every game. They are both so easy to get round the back of it's laughable.
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Post by march4 on Jun 30, 2020 21:54:13 GMT
We have to remember our goalkeeper threw the first two goals into the back of his own net.
I doubt you would see that on a Sunday morning in Longton Park.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Jun 30, 2020 21:54:58 GMT
View from the outside no emotional attachment I said last year young hungry players not journey men average premier players looking for a last pay dayave gave. That's what you needed Gary rowett was the d sayto start of your problem he loves a old has been also he was tacticaly inept I believe your club has bigger issues than managers I think your players have gave up I've looked at your remaining fixtures i believe you are down I first came on here to warn you about rowett ball and boring football etc I was astonished to see posts sayingwad you would p1ss this league I tried to say how competitive it was but some knew better told me how rich your club was Well now you will be the richest club in div 1 and you may well stay there for a while also Many thanks |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 30, 2020 22:01:28 GMT
Allen was the main root of a lot of problems if you asked a few on here before...I guess not.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 30, 2020 22:40:33 GMT
Allen was the main root of a lot of problems if you asked a few on here before...I guess not. I wish people would stop this Allen shite. He's better than the two wank midfielders who are there now who shouldn't be there, but he's also not that great... Just better then that shit and he actually tries meaning that we have a chance in a game rather than no fucking chance with the two Jordans. Both are utter shite, their selection is in O'Niell. I have no idea why we have a mass exodus of Cam's and are left with this absolute shite |
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Post by skip on Jul 1, 2020 0:23:11 GMT
Our midfield is one big sopping tissue more like.
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Post by femark on Jul 1, 2020 8:00:18 GMT
We've got no-one like Morsy who can get on the ball and dictate the play. But similarly our movement is that poor that there's never anyone available to pass too.
How many times we passed across the back four and got in a mess in the full back position is unbelievable.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 1, 2020 8:05:23 GMT
This is going to end up very much like the Lambert and Shaqiri situation but this time round its MON who only has confidence in Allen and he's not available.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:10:38 GMT
Sam Morsy is a very good League 1 player and an average Championship player.
We made him look like Iniesta last night.
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Post by mcw on Jul 1, 2020 8:16:21 GMT
Midfield is where the game is won or lost as whoever gets the upper hand can then dictate the play. We were just chasing shadows yesterday and powder puff as well, players just shadowing players and being brushed aside as they turned and then exposed the lack of pace in the back four. This is seriously worrying as I can't see any combination in midfield which is competitive enough in this league and I'm afraid the die is cast for relegation. Doesn't matter what you think about Ince/Vokes/Campbell/Powell as they are currently living off scraps and will not be able to exert any kind of impact on the game as long as we continue to lose out so easily in midfield.
I can't see where the next goal is coming from, the players are scared to do anything other than an easy pass or pass the buck to another team mate and we look completely goosed at the back as well. League 1 here we come and with this lot I think there is the potential for us to continue sinking as the lower down the leagues you go the more important battling and competitive nature matter which this team has none of. Sad sad times, almost surreal!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:36:50 GMT
Don’t get me started on that midfield. Thompson and cousins!! Just please do me a favour, there are Sunday league players better than them. As for Maclean and Ince.... I’ll leave it there.
Clucas is lost without joe Allen
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 1, 2020 8:43:37 GMT
All our opponents are aware that we have a massive problem and weakness at Left Back.
To compound the problem our early season solution was to play MacClean there. And did we pay for it.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 1, 2020 8:45:14 GMT
A mate told me he saw a stat last night saying Ince had 4 touches of the ball before he came off? Can that possibly be true?
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 1, 2020 9:07:43 GMT
We kept Cousins and let Woods, N'Diaye and Etebo go.
At LB we let Pieters go for peanuts and replaced him with Stephen Ward.
How not to run a football club.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 1, 2020 9:28:57 GMT
We were doing fine before the break...... We did fine in about half a dozen games in the last 3 seasons!!!! |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 9:53:33 GMT
We were doing fine before the break...... We did fine in about half a dozen games in the last 3 seasons!!!! Exactly, and it was MON that got it together, in the last three games he's gone backwards. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 9:57:16 GMT
Imagine being a midfielder in this set up, you look up wanting to move forward and all you've got in front of you is Vokes surrounded by the entire oppo back four and a wall of midfielders between them, zero options.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 1, 2020 10:00:48 GMT
Forget the fact he's a Vale cast off. That Morsy guy has an uncanny knack of looking like Xavi or Iniesta when he plays against us.
Runs the show, pinging passes around for fun and getting in tackles.
Just why is this because he's obviously a decentish player if there is such a word but nowhere near as good as we make him look.
Guaranteed if he joined us he'd turn to cack
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Post by mcw on Jul 1, 2020 10:09:33 GMT
Imagine being a midfielder in this set up, you look up wanting to move forward and all you've got in front of you is Vokes surrounded by the entire oppo back four and a wall of midfielders between them, zero options. How is it that other teams appear to have so much time and space on the ball and so easy on the ball against us- we don't press or make it difficult to play through us. Consequently the opposition is up the pitch on the offensive and pushing our midfield/defense back meaning limited options for the man on the ball when he has it. We don't appear to have the mental fortitude or desire to impress ourselves on the opposition and are totally reactive and not on the front foot. It could be the formation to a certain degree, but ultimately these are highly paid footballers who have dedicated their lives to the game so you would think they would be able to assess the game flow and then adjust accordingly by communicating among themselves to plug gaps/move into space to receive passes etc. We seem totally devoid of that and like rabbits in headlights, cue long hoofs from the back to no-one and the ball keeps coming back and back and back... |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 10:23:30 GMT
Imagine being a midfielder in this set up, you look up wanting to move forward and all you've got in front of you is Vokes surrounded by the entire oppo back four and a wall of midfielders between them, zero options. How is it that other teams appear to have so much time and space on the ball and so easy on the ball against us- we don't press or make it difficult to play through us. Consequently the opposition is up the pitch on the offensive and pushing our midfield/defense back meaning limited options for the man on the ball when he has it. We don't appear to have the mental fortitude or desire to impress ourselves on the opposition and are totally reactive and not on the front foot. It could be the formation to a certain degree, but ultimately these are highly paid footballers who have dedicated their lives to the game so you would think they would be able to assess the game flow and then adjust accordingly by communicating among themselves to plug gaps/move into space to receive passes etc. We seem totally devoid of that and like rabbits in headlights, cue long hoofs from the back to no-one and the ball keeps coming back and back and back... When all they have to defend against is Vokes or Campbell up top with zero surport its easy push up against, take a few more risks as they know that even if they lose the ball all thats going to happen is a long ball up field and even if they loose that header there's no one there to help them, way to easy to defend against, Campbell makes it slightly better as there's a chance he can run down the sides/in behind but again with playing 4-5-1 there's no one close enough for him to be able to do anything. The hoofs are 100% down to the formation, there's no one between the front man and the midfield, its why 4-2-3-1 was working well for us, there was a link up man who could win a second ball and bring people into play etc, the last three games we haven't had that, no one to link it no one to get on to any headers the lone striker may win. Yes they are highly paid footballers but in the wrong system it doesn't matter, if you aren't setting them up in a way that suits them they'll do nothing. |
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