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Post by CampbxllEra on Aug 28, 2020 22:42:45 GMT
Anyone saving Wigan is daft. How thoughtful
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hotpot
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Post by hotpot on Aug 29, 2020 0:35:12 GMT
Sell McLean, Ince and Butland as quickly as possible. They are not good enough.
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Post by CampbxllEra on Aug 29, 2020 0:38:40 GMT
Sell McLean, Ince and Butland as quickly as possible. They are not good enough. Iām not sure we own a McLean
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 29, 2020 6:46:35 GMT
Class act, yet again, from our player of the season. We're lucky to have him. All of us choose different things to support and fight for - that's part of being human. The great thing about McClean is that he is immensely loyal and supportive to those causes he believes in and happily puts his money where his mouth is. Anyone who judges McClean solely on his stance on wearing the poppy, really doesn't understand him and what makes him tick. Well done James.
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Post by jonso on Aug 29, 2020 9:41:59 GMT
Class act, yet again, from our player of the season. We're lucky to have him. All of us choose different things to support and fight for - that's part of being human. The great thing about McClean is that he is immensely loyal and supportive to those causes he believes in and happily puts his money where his mouth is. Anyone who judges McClean solely on his stance on wearing the poppy, really doesn't understand him and what makes him tick. Well done James. Good lad! Stays true to his values, I respect that ,If they are not illegal , even if I disagree with them.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 29, 2020 9:46:51 GMT
The public perception of James McClean is an absolute travesty.
Time and time again he's shown himself to be a really generous, thoughtful bloke.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 29, 2020 9:59:44 GMT
The public perception of James McClean is an absolute travesty. Time and time again he's shown himself to be a really generous, thoughtful bloke. Met him once when he was staying in a hotel just after signing for us. Absolute gent. The hotel staff I spoke to said the same. Generous, understated and genuine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 10:02:56 GMT
The public perception of James McClean is an absolute travesty. Time and time again he's shown himself to be a really generous, thoughtful bloke. Is it though, really? He has brought all the negative attention he gets on himself with his actions. He is obviously a decent bloke which makes all the bullshit that he brings with him even more baffling. Fair enough he has his beliefs but airing them the way that he does in this country is always going to upset and offend a good percentage of people, and no matter how much good work he does, people will struggle to see past all the negative stuff he does. I'm not sure why he does it, it is totally unnecessary and nobody can complain when he gets the flack he gets because it's all brought on by himself.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 29, 2020 12:12:47 GMT
The public perception of James McClean is an absolute travesty. Time and time again he's shown himself to be a really generous, thoughtful bloke. Is it though, really? He has brought all the negative attention he gets on himself with his actions. He is obviously a decent bloke which makes all the bullshit that he brings with him even more baffling. Fair enough he has his beliefs but airing them the way that he does in this country is always going to upset and offend a good percentage of people, and no matter how much good work he does, people will struggle to see past all the negative stuff he does. I'm not sure why he does it, it is totally unnecessary and nobody can complain when he gets the flack he gets because it's all brought on by himself. If you're referring to not wearing a poppy, it's difficult to see how he could do that in a way that's not going to draw attention. It is, after all, a very obvious, visible thing.
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Post by salfordstokie on Aug 29, 2020 12:50:11 GMT
Is it though, really? He has brought all the negative attention he gets on himself with his actions. He is obviously a decent bloke which makes all the bullshit that he brings with him even more baffling. Fair enough he has his beliefs but airing them the way that he does in this country is always going to upset and offend a good percentage of people, and no matter how much good work he does, people will struggle to see past all the negative stuff he does. I'm not sure why he does it, it is totally unnecessary and nobody can complain when he gets the flack he gets because it's all brought on by himself. If you're referring to not wearing a poppy, it's difficult to see how he could do that in a way that's not going to draw attention. It is, after all, a very obvious, visible thing. The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 29, 2020 12:51:45 GMT
If you're referring to not wearing a poppy, it's difficult to see how he could do that in a way that's not going to draw attention. It is, after all, a very obvious, visible thing. The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. Exactly. It reflects a lot worse on the people who abuse him for it than it does on him.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 29, 2020 12:57:05 GMT
He loves giving away his money does James. š¤ Hmmm, he does, does he!!! Wonder how he feels about having a NEW bestie!!! š
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Post by richardparker on Aug 29, 2020 13:02:43 GMT
The public perception of James McClean is an absolute travesty. Time and time again he's shown himself to be a really generous, thoughtful bloke. Is it though, really? He has brought all the negative attention he gets on himself with his actions. He is obviously a decent bloke which makes all the bullshit that he brings with him even more baffling. Fair enough he has his beliefs but airing them the way that he does in this country is always going to upset and offend a good percentage of people, and no matter how much good work he does, people will struggle to see past all the negative stuff he does. I'm not sure why he does it, it is totally unnecessary and nobody can complain when he gets the flack he gets because it's all brought on by himself. Absolutely nothing wrong with a man or woman with principles. The fact that people are offended/outraged by someone often says as much about them and their outlook as it does about the so-called offender.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Aug 29, 2020 13:09:44 GMT
Good egg is Jimmy.
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Post by neckender78 on Aug 29, 2020 13:23:12 GMT
If you're referring to not wearing a poppy, it's difficult to see how he could do that in a way that's not going to draw attention. It is, after all, a very obvious, visible thing. The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. It's not just about not wearing a poppy is it tho. And you are insulting many people claiming a lack of ignorance who do have an issue with his actions. Let's list just a few facts why many people might take issue with him. He has stated publicly that Martin McGuinness was his hero (who forget hiding behind a political wall was a terrorist godfather who sanctioned the murderers of hundreds of british civilians). He claims himself a proud fenian (the original brotherhood became the IRA) He posted a social media post of himself wearing our clubs shirt whilst quoting a convicted IRA terrorist. Purposely walked from the tunnel to the dug out during remembrance minutes silence v Boro. Why would he do that but to bring attention? Called a section of our support, uneducated caveman. The balaclava incident, while I'm sure he did it in jest he knew exactly what he was doing and that it would upset many British people. Am sure MON was delighted with that during a pandemic lockdown. I accept his background and the stance he takes with the poppy. Puzzling as to why he chose to play his trade in a nation he detests but that's his choice. He is marmite, anyone who wishes to fully support him that's fine but stop with the abuse "poppy police" "lack of intelligence etc" and accept people have issues with his stance and the above are reasons whether right or wrong that he brings abuse on himself. There are many Stoke supporters who will be thankful of the day he leaves our club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 13:27:52 GMT
If you're referring to not wearing a poppy, it's difficult to see how he could do that in a way that's not going to draw attention. It is, after all, a very obvious, visible thing. The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. If James McClean had said he didn't want to wear a poppy on and around Remembrance Day and that was the end of his stance, then I'm sure plenty of people would agree with what you're saying. Thing is, that isn't the whole story of the circus that has surrounded McClean is it? There are other examples of him basically disrespecting what is still a very emotive time of year for the people of the country he has chosen to work and live in. He cannot help himself when it comes to bringing negative attention to, not only him, but the various clubs he has played for and he or anyone else cannot cry about it when he gets the attention he gets. Does some of it go over the top? Definitely yes, but that comes with territory unfortunately when you do the things he has done, but to say he only gets abuse because of his beliefs or because he refuses to wear a poppy is wide of the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 13:36:10 GMT
Is it though, really? He has brought all the negative attention he gets on himself with his actions. He is obviously a decent bloke which makes all the bullshit that he brings with him even more baffling. Fair enough he has his beliefs but airing them the way that he does in this country is always going to upset and offend a good percentage of people, and no matter how much good work he does, people will struggle to see past all the negative stuff he does. I'm not sure why he does it, it is totally unnecessary and nobody can complain when he gets the flack he gets because it's all brought on by himself. Absolutely nothing wrong with a man or woman with principles. The fact that people are offended/outraged by someone often says as much about them and their outlook as it does about the so-called offender. I fail to see how any self respecting British person cannot be offended by an employee of their football club who fails to stand for a minutes silence to remember our fallen servicemen and women. Baffles me to the extreme.
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Post by salfordstokie on Aug 29, 2020 14:08:29 GMT
The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. It's not just about not wearing a poppy is it tho. And you are insulting many people claiming a lack of ignorance who do have an issue with his actions. Let's list just a few facts why many people might take issue with him. He has stated publicly that Martin McGuinness was his hero (who forget hiding behind a political wall was a terrorist godfather who sanctioned the murderers of hundreds of british civilians). He claims himself a proud fenian (the original brotherhood became the IRA) He posted a social media post of himself wearing our clubs shirt whilst quoting a convicted IRA terrorist. Purposely walked from the tunnel to the dug out during remembrance minutes silence v Boro. Why would he do that but to bring attention? Called a section of our support, uneducated caveman. The balaclava incident, while I'm sure he did it in jest he knew exactly what he was doing and that it would upset many British people. Am sure MON was delighted with that during a pandemic lockdown. I accept his background and the stance he takes with the poppy. Puzzling as to why he chose to play his trade in a nation he detests but that's his choice. He is marmite, anyone who wishes to fully support him that's fine but stop with the abuse "poppy police" "lack of intelligence etc" and accept people have issues with his stance and the above are reasons whether right or wrong that he brings abuse on himself. There are many Stoke supporters who will be thankful of the day he leaves our club. I think a lot of people fail to understand James McCleans background and the history of his home town of Derry. It is quite understandable that a man who still has family there would not be supportive of anything associated with the British army. Yes, he is a proud Irish Republican, but that doesnt mean he shouldnt be allowed to forge a career in England - that belief is an example of the lack of intelligence some people hold. And to judge a man for taking a prinicipled stand, rather than his performances as a player and the decency of his character is hard to understand.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 29, 2020 14:20:21 GMT
The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. It's not just about not wearing a poppy is it tho. And you are insulting many people claiming a lack of ignorance who do have an issue with his actions. Let's list just a few facts why many people might take issue with him. He has stated publicly that Martin McGuinness was his hero (who forget hiding behind a political wall was a terrorist godfather who sanctioned the murderers of hundreds of british civilians). He claims himself a proud fenian (the original brotherhood became the IRA) He posted a social media post of himself wearing our clubs shirt whilst quoting a convicted IRA terrorist. Purposely walked from the tunnel to the dug out during remembrance minutes silence v Boro. Why would he do that but to bring attention? Called a section of our support, uneducated caveman. The balaclava incident, while I'm sure he did it in jest he knew exactly what he was doing and that it would upset many British people. Am sure MON was delighted with that during a pandemic lockdown. I accept his background and the stance he takes with the poppy. Puzzling as to why he chose to play his trade in a nation he detests but that's his choice. He is marmite, anyone who wishes to fully support him that's fine but stop with the abuse "poppy police" "lack of intelligence etc" and accept people have issues with his stance and the above are reasons whether right or wrong that he brings abuse on himself. There are many Stoke supporters who will be thankful of the day he leaves our club. The fact he gets vilified for not wearing a poppy only serves to highlight the ignorance and lack of intelligence many people in this country hold. He is clearly a very genuine and principled man and we need more footballers like him. If James McClean had said he didn't want to wear a poppy on and around Remembrance Day and that was the end of his stance, then I'm sure plenty of people would agree with what you're saying. Thing is, that isn't the whole story of the circus that has surrounded McClean is it? There are other examples of him basically disrespecting what is still a very emotive time of year for the people of the country he has chosen to work and live in. He cannot help himself when it comes to bringing negative attention to, not only him, but the various clubs he has played for and he or anyone else cannot cry about it when he gets the attention he gets. Does some of it go over the top? Definitely yes, but that comes with territory unfortunately when you do the things he has done, but to say he only gets abuse because of his beliefs or because he refuses to wear a poppy is wide of the mark. I don't even have any issue with those things, any of it- but the fact that he keeps doing all this trolling whilst whining and moaning about the abuse he gets (poor James McClean, the FA don't protect me) etc is just baffling. He wants to have his cake and eat it too; be the proud self-proclaimed "fenian" with the inflammatory words and actions but then complain when he gets abuse for it. He's a mardarse at best, a hypocrite at worst, and repeatedly thanks his employers for supporting him by repeating all the shite time and time again... And I don't know why more people don't recognise this! I accept him for what he is. A steady, average footballer who shone last season because of how shit everyone else was by comparison. He's never been worth the bollocks he brings with him, we could have got better for less, and although there are more areas we need to prioritise over replacing him, should the opportunity arise in which we can upgrade him, we should take it.
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