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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 28, 2020 18:11:12 GMT
As we see Millwall improve, Luton take 4 points from 6, even Reading improving under former coach Mark Bowen, has Stoke's on field problems really been the fault of the managers.
Under Rowett we watched some of the most mind numbing football I've ever seen but his record before Stoke was a good one. His record at Stoke wasn't brilliant but it was steady, 29 games W9 D12 L8, just 8 lost in 29 games. Should we have stuck with him?
Nathan Jones, no way he should have stayed but why was he so poor with us and then pick up where he left off at Luton. My only thought is that he was very poor in the transfer market and he has to manage the players he's given at Luton.
Our present manager's stats are far better than the others mentioned but that can quickly change. To find a manager with a better win rate, 41%, than O'Neill you have you have to go back to Guðjón Þórðarson 50%.
For three seasons our team hasn't had the motivation or work rate that we saw in nearly every game for over 12 seasons. Take away McLean and Allen and there is no spirit in the team.
Is our poor form down to poor management, is there something going on behind the scenes, is it our fault as supporters or a mixture?
I find it so difficult to see so many players not giving a 100% for the team, where is the pride?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 18:49:18 GMT
JC and scholes have created an atmosphere of failure at the club
And they have backed that up in writing with ridiculous contacts that reward failure
Lambert, Rowett and NJ have all talked of unprofessional behaviour from the squad . They have all basically said that if you ask of many of the players , what ought to be the bare minimum for a professional , they look at you as if you are mad .
It may well be that JC and scholes have bullet proof positions at the club , but the longer this situation continues the worst it will get .
Fair play to the blameless MoN for the best attempt yet at putting a sticking plaster over all this nonsense
Good luck to him
If he keeps this lot up , he is championship manager of the season , in my book
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2020 19:03:50 GMT
Who else chose the players, it wasn't Scoles thats for sure, he may have sorted the contracts etc but he doesn't suddenly pull names out of a hat and start signing them, just because JC and Scholes aren't liked by some/many doesn't mean it can all be lumped on them and any resposability taken from the managers.
The main people at fault are Hughes and Rowett imo, both spent their budgets pretty poorly and over spent on crap whcih is why we're lumbered with the squad we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 19:04:57 GMT
Rowett talked himself out of the job. He'd done well before he came here, and he's done well since.
He had some kind of compulsion to go toe-to-toe with a fanbase who were very frustrated with what had gone before him. Like you said his record was OK, maybe too many draws, but again, given what's happened since, we'd have been better off sticking with him.
His handling of fan feedback/opinion was poor, it cost him his job, and I'm sure he'll have learned from it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2020 19:05:17 GMT
JC and scholes have created an atmosphere of failure at the club And they have backed that up in writing with ridiculous contacts that reward failure Lambert, Rowett and NJ have all talked of unprofessional behaviour from the squad . They have all basically said that if you ask of many of the players , what ought to be the bare minimum for professional , they look at you as if you are mad . It may well be that JC and scholes have bullet proof positions at the club , but the longer this situation continues the worst it will get . Fair play to the blameless MoN for the best attempt yet at putting a sticking plaster over all this nonsense Good luck to him If he keeps this lot up , he is championship manager of the season , in my book Blamesless did you see the set ups in the last two games, very little of this is his fault but to say he's blameless is a stretch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 19:17:00 GMT
Who else chose the players, it wasn't Scoles thats for sure, he may have sorted the contracts etc but he doesn't suddenly pull names out of a hat and start signing them, just because JC and Scholes aren't liked by some/many doesn't mean it can all be lumped on them and any resposability taken from the managers. The main people at fault are Hughes and Rowett imo, both spent their budgets pretty poorly and over spent on crap whcih is why we're lumbered with the squad we have. Scholes and pulis , had an altercation ( a row if you prefer ) over what sort of players , Stoke city should be signing Scholes won ,pulis lost and it was good bye TP In the benefit of hindsight , for what that his worth , it turns out that love him or loathe him ( and he certainly divided opinion ) even TP has more idea , of the type of player Stoke city need than Scholes .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2020 19:18:37 GMT
Interesting that this row hasn't been mentioned before and zero proof of it has been put forward.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 28, 2020 19:37:18 GMT
Who else chose the players, it wasn't Scoles thats for sure, he may have sorted the contracts etc but he doesn't suddenly pull names out of a hat and start signing them, just because JC and Scholes aren't liked by some/many doesn't mean it can all be lumped on them and any resposability taken from the managers. The main people at fault are Hughes and Rowett imo, both spent their budgets pretty poorly and over spent on crap whcih is why we're lumbered with the squad we have. Scholes and pulis , had an altercation ( a row if you prefer ) over what sort of players , Stoke city should be signing Scholes won ,pulis lost and it was good bye TP In the benefit of hindsight , for what that his worth , it turns out that love him or loathe him ( and he certainly divided opinion ) even TP has more idea , of the type of player Stoke city need than Scholes . Not sure where the Scholes vs TP story comes from but I said at the time that it was a mistake parting with Pulis.
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Post by march4 on Jun 28, 2020 19:40:06 GMT
Scholes and pulis , had an altercation ( a row if you prefer ) over what sort of players , Stoke city should be signing Scholes won ,pulis lost and it was good bye TP In the benefit of hindsight , for what that his worth , it turns out that love him or loathe him ( and he certainly divided opinion ) even TP has more idea , of the type of player Stoke city need than Scholes . Not sure where the Scholes vs TP story comes from but I said at the time that it was a mistake parting with Pulis. The decline started the second he left.
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Post by theteacher on Jun 28, 2020 19:40:18 GMT
Rowett talked himself out of the job. He'd done well before he came here, and he's done well since. He had some kind of compulsion to go toe-to-toe with a fanbase who were very frustrated with what had gone before him. Like you said his record was OK, maybe too many draws, but again, given what's happened since, we'd have been better off sticking with him. His handling of fan feedback/opinion was poor, it cost him his job, and I'm sure he'll have learned from it. 100% right but this is where the leadership of the Club has to take responsibility IMO. The Owners/Board of Directors recruit the Manager(s) and provide the structure for them to work within. This includes the budget and personnel to support the Manager(s). Where we have recruited a Manager who is “stepping up” a level then support and guidance should also be a part of their responsibility. As you say Rowett went toe-to-toe with the fanbase and that should never have happened. The Board of Directors or more likely the CEO should have been putting an arm around the Manager and provided guidance and leadership to avoid such a tie-to-toe exchange. The leadership could or should have been showing public support of the Manager - through regular dialogue with the fanbase. We cannot take away from the fact that successive managers have under performed expectations. Is this because expectations have been higher than they should have been? And if so the Leadership of the Club should or could have managed this much better, rather that setting goals for promotion within...... whatever? Or because the recruitment of a Manager has been done on the cheap and at that stage in their career’s, where Stoke has not been the right environment for them and the Club to progress in the direction. This would or could have been much different if we had recruited a “fixer” after the squad and issue left behind by Leslie Mark Hughes. We didn’t and we recruited Manager who were “on the up” and the job was to big for them when the level of expectation was set far to high by the Leadership. This ensuring that the expectations of the fanbase matched what we were being fed by the Leadership.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 28, 2020 19:45:34 GMT
What's all the fuss about?
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Post by greystokie on Jun 28, 2020 19:48:58 GMT
For me it's largely down to the managers. You have to go a long way back before you come to a player where you could say "Yes, that was a good signing who has improved the team". We've bought too many players who either weren't committed to playing for Stoke or are simply not good enough to play at the level or in the position required. These errors are, in the main, down to the managers. In addition we have been lacking players in key positions for far too long. I don't know all the ins and outs of why we have failed to sign any half decent full backs for so long but the managers must be culpable to some extent. With the current crop of players ( who remain at the Bet365 Stadium) I don't see lack of commitment so much as lack of ability.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 28, 2020 20:15:26 GMT
Not sure where the Scholes vs TP story comes from but I said at the time that it was a mistake parting with Pulis. The decline started the second he left. Wouldn’t quite say that because we had a couple of decent season under Hughes. But TP knew what type of players fitted in at Stoke and his ability to bring in strays and get them playing was sound. Yes there were a couple of that didn’t work but he certainly got them playing for the club and fans. I think that his leaving was down to fan pressure after a particularly binary season and people wanted to push on to the next level after the cup runs and Europa venture. It’s all water under the bridge now and just hope that MON can pull a rabbit out of the hat. If he can’t then I believe he is the man to bring us back.
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Post by questionable on Jun 28, 2020 20:22:26 GMT
If you’re going to point fingers look no further than the bloke who used to work for Bet 365, you know the bloke that JC takes advice from.
God what an absolute tool JC is, he’s well and truly set us back years, perhaps generations.
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Post by andycooke96 on Jun 28, 2020 20:28:00 GMT
Not sure where the Scholes vs TP story comes from but I said at the time that it was a mistake parting with Pulis. The decline started the second he left. No it didn't, I was and still am a massive Pulis fan, but we improved after he left. Albeit he'd laid a lot of the foundations that allowed Hughes to build a good team. The moment it went downhill was the end of the 2016 season where it was becoming clear that Hughes had probs reached his ceiling, seem to remember us losing 4 games in a row 4-0 or something like that. At this point the board should have made the decision to get rid and bring in someone fresh, instead complacency and woeful spending has crippled us. Although I firmly believe O'Neil, given time and whatever division we are in next season, can bring some of the good times back although changes upstairs are needed also.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 28, 2020 20:37:25 GMT
Interesting that this row hasn't been mentioned before and zero proof of it has been put forward. An alleged difference of opinion on the way forward is not new news at all as for proof or otherwise it would certainly not be wise to share anything on a public forum given the confidentiality agreements inevitably entered into by all parties and the propensity of one if not both parties to utilise the legal profession , even if a person was in possession off such facts.
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Post by redwhite on Jun 28, 2020 20:50:39 GMT
Absolutely it’s the fault of the managers we’ve chosen.
Rowett was a horrendous mistake and summed up our owners’ lack of ambition and inability to sell what should have been an exciting project. Instead of coming down and selling ourselves as a club who had been in the Premier League for 10 years and wanted to get back up (and viewing the Championship for what it was - a league full of teams and players considerably shitter than the worst of what we’d faced the season before), in appointing Rowett we accepted Championship football and this weird notion that we should be thankful for a steady mid-table season.
We accepted a bloke who was going to get our team playing like underdogs against fucking Rotherham. A bloke who constantly talked about the championship being a “tough league” and filled the team with one dimensional work horses and stripped it of the tiny amount of creativity that remained. That season was a complete failure, regardless of the fact we’ve been even worse since. The idea that we should have kept him on is ludicrous, he should never have been anywhere near the owners’ thoughts in the first place. An unambitious dinosaur of a manager.
Jones was a complete clown and it was clearly too big a step up for him. He never even attempted to build a team to play the sort of football he was apparently known for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 21:07:34 GMT
Absolutely it’s the fault of the managers we’ve chosen. Rowett was a horrendous mistake and summed up our owners’ lack of ambition and inability to sell what should have been an exciting project. Instead of coming down and selling ourselves as a club who had been in the Premier League for 10 years and wanted to get back up (and viewing the Championship for what it was - a league full of teams and players considerably shitter than the worst of what we’d faced the season before), in appointing Rowett we accepted Championship football and this weird notion that we should be thankful for a steady mid-table season. We accepted a bloke who was going to get our team playing like underdogs against fucking Rotherham. A bloke who constantly talked about the championship being a “tough league” and filled the team with one dimensional work horses and stripped it of the tiny amount of creativity that remained. That season was a complete failure, regardless of the fact we’ve been even worse since. The idea that we should have kept him on is ludicrous, he should never have been anywhere near the owners’ thoughts in the first place. An unambitious dinosaur of a manager. Jones was a complete clown and it was clearly too big a step up for him. He never even attempted to build a team to play the sort of football he was apparently known for. Who recruited rowett , who recruited Jones Who issued a mission statement about the mighty Stoke getting rid of losers like arnautovic to bring in winners like Jesse # ambition. Why is it, if Southampton sign a sought after player like van dijk from Celtic, they don't have to insert daft clauses in his contract allowing him to go to Liverpool for 12 million but if Stoke sign shaquiri they do, who is responsible for this stuff ? Let's face it in the world of football scholes and JC are amateurs. If there positions are bullet proof , and they may well be , this is only going to end one way .
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Post by redwhite on Jun 28, 2020 21:27:58 GMT
Absolutely it’s the fault of the managers we’ve chosen. Rowett was a horrendous mistake and summed up our owners’ lack of ambition and inability to sell what should have been an exciting project. Instead of coming down and selling ourselves as a club who had been in the Premier League for 10 years and wanted to get back up (and viewing the Championship for what it was - a league full of teams and players considerably shitter than the worst of what we’d faced the season before), in appointing Rowett we accepted Championship football and this weird notion that we should be thankful for a steady mid-table season. We accepted a bloke who was going to get our team playing like underdogs against fucking Rotherham. A bloke who constantly talked about the championship being a “tough league” and filled the team with one dimensional work horses and stripped it of the tiny amount of creativity that remained. That season was a complete failure, regardless of the fact we’ve been even worse since. The idea that we should have kept him on is ludicrous, he should never have been anywhere near the owners’ thoughts in the first place. An unambitious dinosaur of a manager. Jones was a complete clown and it was clearly too big a step up for him. He never even attempted to build a team to play the sort of football he was apparently known for. Who recruited rowett , who recruited Jones Who issued a mission statement about the mighty Stoke getting rid of losers like arnautovic to bring in winners like Jesse # ambition. Why is it, if Southampton sign a sought after player like van dijk from Celtic, they don't have to insert daft clauses in his contract allowing him to go to Liverpool for 12 million but if Stoke sign shaquiri they do, who is responsible for this stuff ? Let's face it in the world of football scholes and JC are amateurs. If there positions are bullet proof , and they may well be , this is only going to end one way . I agree with you and that’s my point really. It said a lot about the owners’ ambitions that when we came down they went on the hunt for a bog-standard British manager with “Championship experience”. The fact they’re absolutely terrified of hiring, god forbid, a foreigner to manage our team speaks volumes.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jun 28, 2020 21:30:57 GMT
I think in the 12 years since we were promoted in 2008 there was only one season where we scored more goals than we conceded, and that was under Hughes.
Ten outfield players and they usually play a single (often isolated) striker. It's a recipe for negative, defensive, low-scoring football. And for most of the time, that's what we get.
Bad signings and inept players just make the situation worse - which is why we're facing the prospect of two relegations in just a few years.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2020 21:38:29 GMT
Who else chose the players, it wasn't Scoles thats for sure, he may have sorted the contracts etc but he doesn't suddenly pull names out of a hat and start signing them, just because JC and Scholes aren't liked by some/many doesn't mean it can all be lumped on them and any resposability taken from the managers. The main people at fault are Hughes and Rowett imo, both spent their budgets pretty poorly and over spent on crap whcih is why we're lumbered with the squad we have. Scholes and pulis , had an altercation ( a row if you prefer ) over what sort of players , Stoke city should be signing Scholes won ,pulis lost and it was good bye TP In the benefit of hindsight , for what that his worth , it turns out that love him or loathe him ( and he certainly divided opinion ) even TP has more idea , of the type of player Stoke city need than Scholes . TP has more of an idea of the type of player HE needs, not Stoke City. He brought players for the now with no resale value. Our issues around recruitment started with him and have never been addressed to this day. This points to an arrogant know nothing ownership who think that money can get you out of any situation.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2020 21:42:00 GMT
Not sure where the Scholes vs TP story comes from but I said at the time that it was a mistake parting with Pulis. The decline started the second he left. 94607999 seconds out mate. Close, but no cigar.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jun 28, 2020 21:45:53 GMT
Scholes and pulis , had an altercation ( a row if you prefer ) over what sort of players , Stoke city should be signing Scholes won ,pulis lost and it was good bye TP In the benefit of hindsight , for what that his worth , it turns out that love him or loathe him ( and he certainly divided opinion ) even TP has more idea , of the type of player Stoke city need than Scholes . TP has more of an idea of the type of player HE needs, not Stoke City. He brought players for the now with no resale value. Our issues around recruitment started with him and have never been addressed to this day. This points to an arrogant know nothing ownership who think that money can get you out of any situation. Pulis's net spend was very modest, and had Ryan and Butland ever been sold for the sums they were touted for a few years ago his account would've been in the black. It was Hughes & co who wrecked the club's finances.
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 28, 2020 21:48:26 GMT
Absolutely it’s the fault of the managers we’ve chosen. Rowett was a horrendous mistake and summed up our owners’ lack of ambition and inability to sell what should have been an exciting project. Instead of coming down and selling ourselves as a club who had been in the Premier League for 10 years and wanted to get back up (and viewing the Championship for what it was - a league full of teams and players considerably shitter than the worst of what we’d faced the season before), in appointing Rowett we accepted Championship football and this weird notion that we should be thankful for a steady mid-table season. We accepted a bloke who was going to get our team playing like underdogs against fucking Rotherham. A bloke who constantly talked about the championship being a “tough league” and filled the team with one dimensional work horses and stripped it of the tiny amount of creativity that remained. That season was a complete failure, regardless of the fact we’ve been even worse since. The idea that we should have kept him on is ludicrous, he should never have been anywhere near the owners’ thoughts in the first place. An unambitious dinosaur of a manager. Jones was a complete clown and it was clearly too big a step up for him. He never even attempted to build a team to play the sort of football he was apparently known for. Who recruited rowett , who recruited Jones Who issued a mission statement about the mighty Stoke getting rid of losers like arnautovic to bring in winners like Jesse # ambition. Why is it, if Southampton sign a sought after player like van dijk from Celtic, they don't have to insert daft clauses in his contract allowing him to go to Liverpool for 12 million but if Stoke sign shaquiri they do, who is responsible for this stuff ? Let's face it in the world of football scholes and JC are amateurs. If there positions are bullet proof , and they may well be , this is only going to end one way . To be fair when Southampton bought van Dijk his reputation was nowhere near as high as Shaqiri's when he signed for us.It's been said many times before that if the clause(s) were not inserted then there was no way he would have signed. On the subject of appointing the managers,I thought that at the time Rowett and Jones were good choices.Rowett had a decent record and Jones was always going to be given a chance at a bigger club due to his work at Luton.The main issue I have with the board was that the managers,especially Jones should have been reeled in when bringing every Tom,Dick and Harry to the club. Whatever happens we have got to stick with MON.If we do go down then we should take a massive financial hit and get rid of the vast majority of the squad and rebuild with players who give a shit.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 28, 2020 21:59:53 GMT
Interesting that this row hasn't been mentioned before and zero proof of it has been put forward. Has been mentioned many times, many many times. Maybe you just haven't read it since it's 7 years odd ago?
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2020 22:01:11 GMT
TP has more of an idea of the type of player HE needs, not Stoke City. He brought players for the now with no resale value. Our issues around recruitment started with him and have never been addressed to this day. This points to an arrogant know nothing ownership who think that money can get you out of any situation. Pulis's net spend was very modest, and had Ryan and Butland ever been sold for the sums they were touted for a few years ago his account would've been in the black. It was Hughes & co who wrecked the club's finances. Was it? Like I said, our recruitment has been disastrous for over a decade.
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Post by malisastokie on Jun 28, 2020 22:45:18 GMT
Our current manager is good, I agree the tinkering in the last 2 weeks have not helped.
Jack frightens the living daylights out of me because a howler is just around the corner.
I sit down and try to think of how to stiffen up our central defence ...can't see an option other than Ryan but he can't get to half time.
Who can we play at left back....got no idea.
If we want to play direct who can we play on the right wing to get crosses in the box.... Got no idea.
MON can only tinker at best with formation and hope he has their motivation high.
MON has got an imbalanced squad to play an improved tune and all we can hope for is we survive to fix the problem .
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 28, 2020 23:21:27 GMT
It's interesting that our last 5 managers, going back as far as Hughes have basically all said the same thing - they spend all week preparing the team for a match, telling them how the opposition will play, how to counter them, what to do to hurt them etc, send them out feeling they couldn't have been better prepared only to watch the players tear up the game plan and do their own thing. How many stupid free kicks did we give away yesterday against a team whose new manager will have spent all week practising set plays? Do you think nobody warned Powell that they would be out to wind him up so keep cool and walk away from the situations? Or not to give the ball away cheaply in situations where they can break quickly? Do you honestly think they don't practise getting into the box quickly to support Campbell or centre halves covering when a full back is beaten?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 29, 2020 1:05:51 GMT
Managers are all the same in one way. They want to sign their own players and impart their own style. Whatever that style may be. In the case of Rowett it’s functional, but basic football. With Jones its ostensibly high pressing, high intensity fullback overload. With O’Neill and his NI side, it’s an organised defence with a forward press only and most of the team holding shape.
The trouble is, if you have a virtually unlimited budget like Rowett did in 2018, all you want to do is go out and spend it. Which he did on players at their “peak” who didn’t really fit the style he usually played with but were “names” and fringe PL sorts. They came with little development capacity and virtually no chance of resale for more than we bought them for. When Rowett went, we lurched from that style to Jones’. Which is a total 180 and requires completely different personnel. The problem is, because of the bloated contracts the board insist on giving to players there was no chance of a fresh start for Jones. He would have to adapt to whatever Rowett had left and shock horror he couldn’t do it.
With our instant return to the PL gone, the spectre of FFP arrives and the board tighten the belts a bit, but still can’t shift dead weight. So Jones has to scramble for what little he can to try and fit his style. Whatever happened with our left back signing is one of the great unresolved mysteries for me. Jones was a disaster, and when we lurch from his style to O’Neills we have the same thing all over again. Bloated squad, not fit for MONs approach and just a real collection of demoralised, unmotivated and apathetic players which then translates on the pitch.
The big problem for me in all this is that the board trust our managers implicitly until it’s too late and they’ve loaded even more shit into the squad that we can’t move on. There is no overarching direction from the board, no long term strategy and no continuity in our transfers or managerial appointments. Scholes described this as “a bit more manager focused than most clubs”. I would simply call it archaic and fatally flawed because you’re relying on a manager being infallible.
Is it the fault of the managers? Yes in the case of Rowett, he just spunked money everywhere on players that didn’t fit. In the case of Jones, yes because he insisted on applying an idiosyncratic style that didn’t fit what he had and couldn’t replace. But the lack of overall direction from above them has eaten away at us for years. They wouldn’t sack Hughes because they trusted him. They gave Rowett money like he had never had before and just let him loose and they then brought Jones here despite the fact the squad was totally wrong for him.
It’s a perfect storm, but this is happening with too many players and too many managers for it to just be “bad luck”. The only constant from Hughes to O’Neill is the outdated way we are run. Until that changes in some way, I don’t expect the trend to buck. I fully believe they care about the club, but part of caring is knowing when you are not up to something. There would be no shame in bringing someone in between themselves and the manager like so many, successful clubs now have. If managers are making poor signings, then you simply cannot let them run free as we have done. You need a coherent strategy. The whole left back situation is the biggest example of that, tet our CEO didn’t even know what there was one.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 29, 2020 7:27:52 GMT
Absolutely it’s the fault of the managers we’ve chosen. Rowett was a horrendous mistake and summed up our owners’ lack of ambition and inability to sell what should have been an exciting project. Instead of coming down and selling ourselves as a club who had been in the Premier League for 10 years and wanted to get back up (and viewing the Championship for what it was - a league full of teams and players considerably shitter than the worst of what we’d faced the season before), in appointing Rowett we accepted Championship football and this weird notion that we should be thankful for a steady mid-table season. We accepted a bloke who was going to get our team playing like underdogs against fucking Rotherham. A bloke who constantly talked about the championship being a “tough league” and filled the team with one dimensional work horses and stripped it of the tiny amount of creativity that remained. That season was a complete failure, regardless of the fact we’ve been even worse since. The idea that we should have kept him on is ludicrous, he should never have been anywhere near the owners’ thoughts in the first place. An unambitious dinosaur of a manager. Jones was a complete clown and it was clearly too big a step up for him. He never even attempted to build a team to play the sort of football he was apparently known for. W the Rowett points are spot on , especially given it follows£ the quite unbelievable and catastrophic appointment of lambert and his Sunday league backroom team .
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