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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 15:35:40 GMT
Again how? He's played most of the games of a season where we have been wank and he's been shite for 80% of them. He was diabolical until about late Jan. The POTS has only really played to a 6/7 out of 10 standard. Allen is it at about a 4. We've been wank. Most of the players have been wank including Allen. If we go down, he will have more than played his fair share in that. So since O’Neill came in in November Joe Allen has been wank🤔As I said clueless
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 15:52:37 GMT
Again how? He's played most of the games of a season where we have been wank and he's been shite for 80% of them. He was diabolical until about late Jan. The POTS has only really played to a 6/7 out of 10 standard. Allen is it at about a 4. We've been wank. Most of the players have been wank including Allen. If we go down, he will have more than played his fair share in that. So since O’Neill came in in November Joe Allen has been wank🤔As I said clueless He has been for about half of the games under MON. That's just a fact. As I said even Clucas, the clear POTS has been missing in about two thirds of the games this season. Lets not make out Allen hasn't been shite for most of the season and isn't a big part of why we'd go down if it happens.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 16:16:43 GMT
So since O’Neill came in in November Joe Allen has been wank🤔As I said clueless He has been for about half of the games under MON. That's just a fact. As I said even Clucas, the clear POTS has been missing in about two thirds of the games this season. Lets not make out Allen hasn't been shite for most of the season and isn't a big part of why we'd go down if it happens. Have a read oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/294134/joe-allen
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 16:22:50 GMT
He has been for about half of the games under MON. That's just a fact. As I said even Clucas, the clear POTS has been missing in about two thirds of the games this season. Lets not make out Allen hasn't been shite for most of the season and isn't a big part of why we'd go down if it happens. Have a read oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/294134/joe-allen Really? Our record since signing Allen has been appalling and that is no coincidence. Saturday has happened numerous times with Joe Allen in the side. He's been a truly awful signing for us, one of the worst in these last 10 years.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 16:25:32 GMT
Really? Our record since signing Allen has been appalling and that is no coincidence. Saturday has happened numerous times with Joe Allen in the side. He's been a truly awful signing for us, one of the worst in these last 10 years. You know I’m talking about since the manager came in🤔You seem to be in the minority
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 29, 2020 16:38:39 GMT
It's interesting that Allen is still blamed for unblancing the side and for contrinuting disproportionately to poor team performances even when he is out with a long term injury. I guess its consistency of a sort.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 29, 2020 19:52:09 GMT
It's not though is it? We've had 4/5 games like Saturday under MON and Allen has been in the side. Every issue on Saturday again came from an absolutely shite team selection from the manager setting the players up to fail. It was a ridiculous selection. Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution Sorry mate but that a stupid statement. If we go down it’s because mainly we have been shit all season not just because we have missed Allen for 10 games and don’t care how you want to look at it he has had as many bad games as good ones
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 19:58:44 GMT
Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution Sorry mate but that a stupid statement. If we go down it’s because mainly we have been shit all season not just because we have missed Allen for 10 games and don’t care how you want to look at it he has had as many bad games as good ones In your opinion
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 29, 2020 20:00:17 GMT
Sorry mate but that a stupid statement. If we go down it’s because mainly we have been shit all season not just because we have missed Allen for 10 games and don’t care how you want to look at it he has had as many bad games as good ones In your opinion In a few peoples opinion. More than you think
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Post by datguy on Jun 29, 2020 21:57:47 GMT
Reading and Boro would've occurred the exact same way had he been in the team or not.
Would I rather him in the team? Aye.
Are we missing him? Too early to tell.
There's no point rewriting history when I'm sure even he would admit he's been as poor as anyone this season. As a few have rightly mentioned on here he's been present in the exact same performances under Jones and MO'N.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jun 30, 2020 4:56:49 GMT
Joe Allen has and always will give his all. He also will cover teamates who get into.trouble other players just cant be bothered. Joe is a the driving force in our midfield and when he isnt.there it doesnt work. We need him. We are missing him massively
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 30, 2020 5:47:10 GMT
Reading and Boro would've occurred the exact same way had he been in the team or not. Would I rather him in the team? Aye. Are we missing him? Too early to tell. There's no point rewriting history when I'm sure even he would admit he's been as poor as anyone this season. As a few have rightly mentioned on here he's been present in the exact same performances under Jones and MO'N. 100% disagree I said at the time that challenge could cos us dear and I think you’ll see why Ove the next seven games he’s actually the only midfield engine room player we have above division 2 standard ( Thomson could not get in Blackpool’s team as a automatic ) and clucas isn’t an engine room .
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Post by soulsurvivor on Jun 30, 2020 5:57:33 GMT
I am no footballing pundit, I watch my team through good and bad but no one can tell me that we did not miss Joe Allen on Saturday He would have chased some of those second balls, covered some of the gaps and even if only rarely offered some form of link up to bring Campbell into the game. He may not be Pirlo but you cannot doubt he is head and shoulders above many we have. We are a poorer team without him and that is some achievment
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 30, 2020 6:19:45 GMT
I am no footballing pundit, I watch my team through good and bad but no one can tell me that we did not miss Joe Allen on Saturday He would have chased some of those second balls, covered some of the gaps and even if only rarely offered some form of link up to bring Campbell into the game. He may not be Pirlo but you cannot doubt he is head and shoulders above many we have. We are a poorer team without him and that is some achievment Allen may well be our best MF (God help us) at this moment in time but to believe his presence would change our performances is just foolhardy. I read where he is much improved under MON, well guess what throughout his time here our Joe has put in, here and there, an improved performance, sometimes 2 or 3 games on the run. Under Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones his improved performances are on par with his efforts under MON. The bloke is a pretender and fools gullible supporter's and as long as people keep falling for it the more it will continue.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 30, 2020 8:01:59 GMT
Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution Sorry mate but that a stupid statement. If we go down it’s because mainly we have been shit all season not just because we have missed Allen for 10 games and don’t care how you want to look at it he has had as many bad games as good ones I agree. We have been crap all season and all last season too. Our midfield being one of the main reasons. Yes, we are worse without him. The difference between crap and really crap. That is mainly due to the club not having any alternatives available. We were worse without McClean too and we are worse without Ince imho and I wouldn't dream of praising either of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 12:08:12 GMT
You could see the difference when he went off v Hull. Missed him massively last two games
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Post by femark on Jun 30, 2020 12:24:08 GMT
I don't think everything can be blamed on losing Allen. The team has been poor from front to back and the main issue as usual is poor defending and not taking chances.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 30, 2020 21:12:55 GMT
It gets clearer game by game
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 30, 2020 21:16:03 GMT
I apologise for everything bad I ever said about him (and there was a lot).
Please come back Joe.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 30, 2020 21:16:52 GMT
I hate them all actually
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:11 GMT
Really? Our record since signing Allen has been appalling and that is no coincidence. Saturday has happened numerous times with Joe Allen in the side. He's been a truly awful signing for us, one of the worst in these last 10 years. Our record since Allen arrived isn’t at all good. Not all of that his fault. I get you don’t rate him, but to say he is one of our worst signings is pure rubbish - we can all name a great many worse. Anyone can see w3 are missing him at the moment, even if he isn’t a long term answer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 1, 2020 1:01:48 GMT
Really? Our record since signing Allen has been appalling and that is no coincidence. Saturday has happened numerous times with Joe Allen in the side. He's been a truly awful signing for us, one of the worst in these last 10 years. Our record since Allen arrived isn’t at all good. Not all of that his fault. I get you don’t rate him, but to say he is one of our worst signings is pure rubbish - we can all name a great many worse. Anyone can see w3 are missing him at the moment, even if he isn’t a long term answer. We aren’t. This shit has happened with him in the side. Like Butland he’s one of the main issues and needs fucking off sharpish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:01:26 GMT
Don't think it's any coincidence that without him we look lost at sea.
Chronically under-rated on here for some time.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 1, 2020 19:05:47 GMT
Its only been 3 hours since the last Joe Allen thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:06:20 GMT
Don't think it's any coincidence that without him we look lost at sea. Chronically under-rated on here for some time. Chronically under-performing for much of his time here. But undropable according to the terms of his contract.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 1, 2020 19:34:48 GMT
Don't think it's any coincidence that without him we look lost at sea. Chronically under-rated on here for some time. Spot on mate but Bayern will be along soon to tell you how wrong you are🙄
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 19:44:12 GMT
We won games without him when he was banned and dropped this season. Surely we can win 3 games from 9 without him?
We are, however, missing his energy if nothing else.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 1, 2020 19:45:42 GMT
We won games without him when he was banned and dropped this season. Surely we can win 3 games from 9 without him? We are, however, missing his energy if nothing else. Agree. I don't buy into the "Joe Allen is the savior" agenda. He's been utterly woeful for significant periods during our demise.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Jul 1, 2020 20:07:47 GMT
We won games without him when he was banned and dropped this season. Surely we can win 3 games from 9 without him? We are, however, missing his energy if nothing else. This gave me hope until I looked into the results after he was sent off against Bristol City Didn’t win any. Lost to Forest, drew against Brentford which is decent to be fair but also got knocked out of the cup by Crawley Looking at the stats I don’t think we have won games without him (lost plenty with him though)
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Post by zerps on Jul 1, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
He’s wank or he wouldn’t be playing for us and about to be relegated from the championship 👀😂
Welsh Xavi......
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