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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2020 12:19:34 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 28, 2020 12:49:58 GMT
The one thing about Allen, think he's a good player or not, is he never went missing and if a team mate was in a bit of bother either looking for a pass or throw in or having lost their man defensively Allen was always there helping out. The rest of them just shrug their shoulders, put their heads down or flap their arms saying "not my problem".
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2020 13:09:26 GMT
The one thing about Allen, think he's a good player or not, is he never went missing and if a team mate was in a bit of bother either looking for a pass or throw in or having lost their man defensively Allen was always there helping out. The rest of them just shrug their shoulders, put their heads down or flap their arms saying "not my problem". Yes mate spot on
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 28, 2020 13:09:58 GMT
Whatever one thinks of Joe and his ability it’s seems pretty clear to me that this team badly misses him. As stated above he always looked to make himself available to receive the ball.
Look at the throw ins now, the tossers are only just short of turning their backs.
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Post by walton corner on Jun 28, 2020 13:19:50 GMT
Never been an issue with Allen’s work rate and attitude ....his first touch and creativity was and is for me at more times than not ...but we are Definitely missing that graft around the pitch and team That he offers ....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 28, 2020 13:23:00 GMT
Are we missing him at the moment? Yes, since MON has come in he’s been super. Probably along with Powell (prior to restart) the most influential. I’ve seen nothing but praise for him since January.
But let’s not pretend he wasn’t a virtual ever present in a team that played like yesterday week in, week out before MON got there and played poorly too. He’s even admitted as much himself. Woods and Allen at Preston were far worse than Thompson and Sorensen in the past two games.
It is possible to believe in both of those statements.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 13:38:56 GMT
Are we missing him at the moment? Yes, since MON has come in he’s been super. Probably along with Powell (prior to restart) the most influential. I’ve seen nothing but praise for him since January. But let’s not pretend he wasn’t a virtual ever present in a team that played like yesterday week in, week out before MON got there and played poorly too. He’s even admitted as much himself. Woods and Allen at Preston were far worse than Thompson and Sorensen in the past two games. It is possible to believe in both of those statements. It is because Allen has improved under O'Neill. He was starting to recover some form before his cruel injury.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 28, 2020 15:16:28 GMT
We are missing him at the moment yes.
BUT lets not re-write history. Hes part of the team that got relegated from the Prem and languishing at the bottom of the Championship.
Hes had about as many good games as awful games for us over his time here.
We do need him in the team if we could. I was never a hater, but much of the criticism was fair at the time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:19:31 GMT
The one thing about Allen, think he's a good player or not, is he never went missing and if a team mate was in a bit of bother either looking for a pass or throw in or having lost their man defensively Allen was always there helping out. The rest of them just shrug their shoulders, put their heads down or flap their arms saying "not my problem". You're right. He'd often make a bad situation worse by taking the ball off a better positioned teammate and pass it straight to the opposition, and we lost matches because of him. So don't bother with your Allen haters. In his case there is a good reason.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 28, 2020 17:58:44 GMT
What happens when all your Allen haters come forward....are you going to blow a raspberry or what? You don't need to be a a very good footballer to be better that what we are seeing at the moment, but don't let me spoil the fun! I think everybody universally agreed we would miss him, because of the sheer lack of alternatives, so it shouldn't come as a great shock.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jun 28, 2020 18:27:31 GMT
Joe Allen is an immense player at this level .He is also the one player who could of stayed in the Prem but decided to stay, out of loyalty, trying to return Stoke straight back up. If anything is wrong with his game it's that he tries to make up for everyone else's shortcomings and spreads himself too thin .It could be a long time before we see a player of his standard again .I just hope he gets to feel like he was appreciated before he leaves .I know he is well paid for this division but Stoke begged him to stay and take us back up ,and he tried .Any club outside the usual six would want Black Jo Allen .How long will it be before we sign another quality international
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jun 28, 2020 18:30:24 GMT
Joe Allen is an immense player at this level .He is also the one player who could of stayed in the Prem but decided to stay, out of loyalty, trying to return Stoke straight back up. If anything is wrong with his game it's that he tries to make up for everyone else's shortcomings and spreads himself too thin .It could be a long time before we see a player of his standard again .I just hope he gets to feel like he was appreciated before he leaves .I know he is well paid for this division but Stoke begged him to stay and take us back up ,and he tried .Any club outside the usual six would want Jo Allen .How long will it be before we sign another quality international
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2020 18:46:41 GMT
What happens when all your Allen haters come forward....are you going to blow a raspberry or what? You don't need to be a a very good footballer to be better that what we are seeing at the moment, but don't let me spoil the fun! I think everybody universally agreed we would miss him, because of the sheer lack of alternatives, so it shouldn't come as a great shock. I think you’re missing the point mate🤔We don’t function without him and this a bloke that gets slaughtered on here most weeks. Yes he’s had poor games but since O’Neill came in he’s been head and shoulders above other players in my opinion.I actually think his injury could lead to us going down sadly.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2020 19:08:50 GMT
Are you saying haters or those that don't rate him as much as others do?
Either way the last two games are not down to him not playing, MON has completely fucked it and gone back to a set up that we've known doesn't work for seasons.
He even tried it himself when he first got the job and realised it didn't work then, its moronic he's decided to go back to it.
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Post by onionman on Jun 28, 2020 19:41:24 GMT
Dave Brammer would have been an improvement on our central midfielders the past two games.
Finally the Brammer haters have been proved wrong.
Bryan Small would have been better than Bruno Martins Indi at left back.
I notice the Small haters are conspicuous by their absence too.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2020 19:43:58 GMT
Are you saying haters or those that don't rate him as much as others do? Either way the last two games are not down to him not playing, MON has completely fucked it and gone back to a set up that we've known doesn't work for seasons. He even tried it himself when he first got the job and realised it didn't work then, its moronic he's decided to go back to it. I’m on about the posters that slate him week in week out. Yes O’Neill has picked two totally strange teams in my opinion also but I personally think the loss of Allen is playing with his head and when he got injured on March 7th you could tell in O’Neill’s interview post match how bad he felt about it
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Post by redwhite on Jun 28, 2020 20:22:04 GMT
He was ever present and consistently one of our worst performing players throughout our decline and relegation from the premier league, right through our dreadful two years in the Championship. When he got injured we were 3 points off relegation into league one.
We’ve had two games without him and been dreadful. We’ve been just as dreadful in countless games with him in midfield. He is a massive part of why we are where we are and the fact that he would arguably be more useful than the 5th/6th choice centre mids who have been playing in his absence in no way disproves many fans’ opinions of him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2020 20:28:44 GMT
He was ever present and consistently one of our worst performing players throughout our decline and relegation from the premier league, right through our dreadful two years in the Championship. When he got injured we were 3 points off relegation into league one. We’ve had two games without him and been dreadful. We’ve been just as dreadful in countless games with him in midfield. He is a massive part of why we are where we are and the fact that he would arguably be more useful than the 5th/6th choice centre mids who have been playing in his absence in no way disproves many fans’ opinions of him. He’s been excellent since O’Neill came here
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 28, 2020 20:54:26 GMT
I don't think anyone hates Joe Allen.
When we bought him, we bought a good player, but one we didn't need, and whose inclusion threw the whole midfield out of whack. He was simply the wrong tool for the job. It meant our midfield was weakened which made the team worse and contributed to our decline.
Now, he is one of our better players. The setup of the midfield in its current form uses his contributions more effectively. He's a good player, he always was. But he also looks a lot better given how shit everyone else is.
Nobody can fault his attitude or professionalism or spirit, and yes we absolutely do miss his dogged determination and energy.
But nobody hates him or ever did.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2020 23:28:46 GMT
Are you saying haters or those that don't rate him as much as others do? Either way the last two games are not down to him not playing, MON has completely fucked it and gone back to a set up that we've known doesn't work for seasons. He even tried it himself when he first got the job and realised it didn't work then, its moronic he's decided to go back to it. I’m on about the posters that slate him week in week out. Yes O’Neill has picked two totally strange teams in my opinion also but I personally think the loss of Allen is playing with his head and when he got injured on March 7th you could tell in O’Neill’s interview post match how bad he felt about it It probably is but to completely stop doing what was working seems a bit much, its not a big surprise though it was clear as soon as he walked through the door he wanted to play 4-3-3 despite his waffle, hopefully he drops it again asap.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 29, 2020 2:28:39 GMT
I don't think anyone hates Joe Allen. When we bought him, we bought a good player, but one we didn't need, and whose inclusion threw the whole midfield out of whack. He was simply the wrong tool for the job. It meant our midfield was weakened which made the team worse and contributed to our decline. Now, he is one of our better players. The setup of the midfield in its current form uses his contributions more effectively. He's a good player, he always was. But he also looks a lot better given how shit everyone else is. Nobody can fault his attitude or professionalism or spirit, and yes we absolutely do miss his dogged determination and energy. But nobody hates him or ever did. I don't know about that, I'm man enough to admit I dislike him to a point it verges on hate. Never rated him as a footballer, with Stoke anyway, culminating in the 'CUPPING' of ears to the supporters making himself a target for negative responses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 14:51:37 GMT
We've played like we did on Saturday tens of times with Allen in the midfield.
We're on for relegation in a season where Allen has played the majority of games and been wank in 80% of them.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 14:57:52 GMT
We've played like we did on Saturday tens of times with Allen in the midfield. We're on for relegation in a season where Allen has played the majority of games and been wank in 80% of them. Right on cue chief hater arrives😄Since O’Nell arrived he’s been our best player
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 15:08:26 GMT
We've played like we did on Saturday tens of times with Allen in the midfield. We're on for relegation in a season where Allen has played the majority of games and been wank in 80% of them. Right on cue chief hater arrives😄Since O’Nell arrived he’s been our best player Rubbish. He's had as many bad games as good under MON and played in 4/5 like Saturday.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
Right on cue chief hater arrives😄Since O’Nell arrived he’s been our best player Rubbish. He's had as many bad games as good under MON and played in 4/5 like Saturday. Absolute bollocks
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 15:12:04 GMT
Rubbish. He's had as many bad games as good under MON and played in 4/5 like Saturday. Absolute bollocks It's not though is it? We've had 4/5 games like Saturday under MON and Allen has been in the side. Every issue on Saturday again came from an absolutely shite team selection from the manager setting the players up to fail. It was a ridiculous selection.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 15:16:57 GMT
It's not though is it? We've had 4/5 games like Saturday under MON and Allen has been in the side. Every issue on Saturday again came from an absolutely shite team selection from the manager setting the players up to fail. It was a ridiculous selection. Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 15:23:14 GMT
It's not though is it? We've had 4/5 games like Saturday under MON and Allen has been in the side. Every issue on Saturday again came from an absolutely shite team selection from the manager setting the players up to fail. It was a ridiculous selection. Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution We didn't because like I've said we've played like that with him in the side on numerous occassions. Indeed Thompson played like Allen defensively, being ghosted past like he wasn't there. We go down his performances for most of the season will play a big part. Absolutely useless and 4 years of down turn in his time is no coincidence.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2020 15:28:16 GMT
Ive already said on several occasions since the weekend that the O’Neill selections in the 2 games back have been very strange ones but when you miss a player with the energy of Allen to get around the pitch he’s struggling to match any of that with the choices available to him. I’m not wasting my time arguing with on this subject because wd all know what you think of him but for me if we go down his injury will be a major contribution We didn't because like I've said we've played like that with him in the side on numerous occassions. Indeed Thompson played like Allen defensively, being ghosted past like he wasn't there. We go down his performances for most of the season will play a big part. Absolutely useless and 4 years of down turn in his time is no coincidence. Clueless
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2020 15:33:58 GMT
We didn't because like I've said we've played like that with him in the side on numerous occassions. Indeed Thompson played like Allen defensively, being ghosted past like he wasn't there. We go down his performances for most of the season will play a big part. Absolutely useless and 4 years of down turn in his time is no coincidence. Clueless Again how? He's played most of the games of a season where we have been wank and he's been shite for 80% of them. He was diabolical until about late Jan. The POTS has only really played to a 6/7 out of 10 standard. Allen is it at about a 4. We've been wank. Most of the players have been wank including Allen. If we go down, he will have more than played his fair share in that.
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