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Post by bunnyscfc on Jun 27, 2020 19:52:52 GMT
deflection or not, it wasnt one that wrong footed him. He was totally flat footed. Hardly went in off the post. At least bloody attempt to save it.
Grant deserved to be number one and we should have cashed in.
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Post by boothenender on Jun 27, 2020 20:07:12 GMT
I have never ratted our Jack. His positioning and ball distribution is shocking. Today he was made Captain, FFS what does that say about our team ?. We are dog shit right down to the last man I really do despair at what our club has become. Disappointed is no where near the way I feel about them at this moment in time.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jun 27, 2020 20:07:39 GMT
No, decline he has always been overrated, shite
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 20:15:32 GMT
I defend him to the hilt. Think he did okay today apart from the second goal which absolutely killed us and cost us the game. I just don't know what he was doing. To not even dive or anticipate the shot is rank bad. It didn't even go right in the corner. I don't want to say this, but id drop him. Did it not take a deflection? No.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2020 20:19:12 GMT
Did it not take a deflection? No. Fair enough, looked like it had at the time.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 20:22:52 GMT
Fair enough, looked like it had at the time. Nah the defenders were yards off him when he hit it. It was about 5ft from Jack but he just stood flat footed and waved his arms like he always does. Caveat that's how I saw it I stand corrected if somebody can show me otherwise.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 20:31:41 GMT
Fair enough, looked like it had at the time. Nah the defenders were yards off him when he hit it. It was about 5ft from Jack but he just stood flat footed and waved his arms like he always does. Caveat that's how I saw it I stand corrected if somebody can show me otherwise. If he'd have just fallen over to his right the ball would have hit him.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 20:34:36 GMT
Nah the defenders were yards off him when he hit it. It was about 5ft from Jack but he just stood flat footed and waved his arms like he always does. Caveat that's how I saw it I stand corrected if somebody can show me otherwise. If he'd have just fallen over to his right the ball would have hit him. I agree and it was hardly a howitzer of a shot in the first place.
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Post by pushon on Jun 27, 2020 20:37:44 GMT
Fair enough, looked like it had at the time. Nah the defenders were yards off him when he hit it. It was about 5ft from Jack but he just stood flat footed and waved his arms like he always does. Caveat that's how I saw it I stand corrected if somebody can show me otherwise. Same with me, he simply stood flatfooted with his legs too far apart to dive either way and just watched the ball glide into the net.Their forward was well outside the penalty box and though the shot was well hit it was hardly a rocket. To make no attempt at all to make a save is, at the least, disappointing. I too, will revise my assessment if it's proved the ball was deflected. Although it didn't seem to be the case to me.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 20:41:13 GMT
Nah the defenders were yards off him when he hit it. It was about 5ft from Jack but he just stood flat footed and waved his arms like he always does. Caveat that's how I saw it I stand corrected if somebody can show me otherwise. Same with me, he simply stood flatfooted with his legs too far apart to dive either way and just watched the ball glide into the net.Their forward was well outside the penalty box and though the shot was well hit it was hardly a rocket. To make no attempt at all to make a save is, at the least, disappointing. I too, will revise my assessment if it's proved the ball was deflected. Although it didn't seem to be the case to me. It is bizarre he does stand about a lot most keepers at least make a token effort even if it's only for the cameras but his default position is stand still and watch, I genuinely wonder about his reaction speed 🤷♂️
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 20:41:25 GMT
If he'd have just fallen over to his right the ball would have hit him. I agree and it was hardly a howitzer of a shot in the first place. No it wasn't, the ball even bounced before going past Jack....
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Post by Marc01 on Jun 27, 2020 20:41:42 GMT
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 28, 2020 7:30:40 GMT
It doesn't seem long ago that we were arguing on this board whether we should let Butland go if we received an offer of £20m. What on earth has happened? The modern Jack frightens the life out of me whenever a cross is played into our box and is the most timid 6'5", 15 stone bloke I have ever seen in my life. He should be absolutely bossing that 18 yard box but is an absolute pussy. Surely we can't be blaming an injury sustained nearly 3 years ago? You may be able to if the injury has a mental aspect rather than just a physical healing. This is from yesterday's Guardian, made me think about what I've read on here about Butland. www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jun/27/joelinton-joe-hart-cold-hand-confidence
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Post by woodstein on Jun 28, 2020 8:29:18 GMT
I hope Jack watched the excellent performance of Norwich's Tim Krull today and realise that he needs to start diving for efforts, blocked or not. He's like the Subbuteo goalie that you just use for the goal kicks!
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Post by banx10 on Jun 28, 2020 8:50:50 GMT
He just can’t be bothered to put the effort in, because he knows those around him are rubbish. He also thinks why risk hurting myself & getting injured for this dumb club & crap team mates. Be well hard to find a club for him now. He could be a 2nd still at a big club, but they would want him really cheap, even as low as 2 mill.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2020 8:55:43 GMT
He just can’t be bothered to put the effort in, because he knows those around him are rubbish. He also thinks why risk hurting myself & getting injured for this dumb club & crap team mates. Be well hard to find a club for him now. He could be a 2nd still at a big club, but they would want him really cheap, even as low as 2 mill. I’d take 2m to get him off the books. It’s not just his current form but his body language is all wrong. He’s too used to losing and it shows.
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Post by greenhoff on Jun 28, 2020 9:13:50 GMT
Hes been incredibly poor for a long time. The amount of goals this season that are down to him is ridiculous. The second goal yesterday was eminently saveable. Hes actually one of the worst in the division.
Why Ferederici was dropped is mystifying. Hed done nothing wrong.
Butland needs to go. I'd actually give him away to free his wages. Who would actually pay a fee for him?
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2020 9:21:29 GMT
He just can’t be bothered to put the effort in, because he knows those around him are rubbish. He also thinks why risk hurting myself & getting injured for this dumb club & crap team mates. Be well hard to find a club for him now. He could be a 2nd still at a big club, but they would want him really cheap, even as low as 2 mill. I've seen kids in parks put more effort in and they are diving in dog shit and broken glass.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 28, 2020 9:40:41 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2020 10:23:32 GMT
Exactly the defenders were shit but its then down to the keeper to do his part and try and rectify the error. Rather than get his defenders out of the shit he just moans that they allowed the ball to come his way, tip for you Jack that's what keepers are for the last line of defence it's a unit you're just as shit as them at least they make some lame effort unlike yourself who did fuck all.
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Post by rosco on Jun 28, 2020 11:11:42 GMT
I don't mind Jack but I don't think he was ever as good as he was made out to be. He got in the England squad at a time when there were no English keepers about other than Joe Hart, Frankie Fielding and John Ruddy and the fanfare came with that but he never lived up to it
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 28, 2020 16:25:41 GMT
I think there are some fundamental problems with his game - he doesn't dominate his area, communication with the defence (other than shouting at them when we've conceded) is poor, he doesn't get down quick enough to shots near his body, can't read a penalty taker and his distribution is abysmal. He's a good shot stopper at full stretch - which looks spectacular but increasingly this doesn't compensate for his weaknesses. Like others I never understood why he came back in for Federicci who was just so much better at the bread and butter side of the game.
I hope he resurrects his career and if he goes in the summer I wish him well but I don't think he will be a loss and if we get someone in who the defence trust the move could be a godsend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 17:04:58 GMT
deflection or not, it wasnt one that wrong footed him. He was totally flat footed. Hardly went in off the post. At least bloody attempt to save it. Grant deserved to be number one and we should have cashed in. I agree with that last statement, 100%. Imo, Grant was a better keeper at the time, so even when in his 'pomp', JB wasn't top-notch. I get why we felt the need to bring back Jack when available, and hindsight's a wonderful thing, but christ, we missed a trick here. Saying that, we'd have only spunked the proceeds up the wall.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 28, 2020 17:06:45 GMT
Who would have Butland now anyway?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 28, 2020 17:16:06 GMT
The art of goalkeeping, full stop, is at a very low ebb right now in this country.
I'm not convinced by Ederson particularly either (he's better with his feet than his hands).
Allison aside, you'd be hard pressed to find a convincing keeper at any club right now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 28, 2020 17:25:01 GMT
I'd actually have Butland as fourth in line of blame for that goal. What it summed up more than anything is the utter cowardice endemic in this pathetic group of players.
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jun 28, 2020 17:28:17 GMT
If you had a blindfold on and heard the attacker shoot you’d make more of an effort to save it.
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Post by onepara on Jun 28, 2020 18:54:24 GMT
He winds me up, the way that he strolls around his goal area, as though tomorrow will do. If he showed more urgency distributing the ball, it may transmit to the team. Instead, he takes far too much time getting the ball out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 18:58:32 GMT
If you had a blindfold on and heard the attacker shoot you’d make more of an effort to save it. You just won today's internet 😂
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Post by tinofspam on Jun 28, 2020 19:13:07 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? With the goals no. But he doesn’t give the defence any confidence. There were a few times today when he needs to come out get the ball and boss situations, instead of standing there waving his arms about, shaking his head, shouting and absolving himself from any responsibility. He is the next Joe Hart. Sooner gone the better, instrumental in our downfall. Think it probably works the other way round with him having no confidence with this current defence too pal. I agree he probably should come out for a couple, but why do it when a defender will probably try get in the way too. Maybe the problem is the teams communication. It’s why that defence needs Shawcross, someone to take control.
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