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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 16:47:06 GMT
It doesn't seem long ago that we were arguing on this board whether we should let Butland go if we received an offer of £20m. What on earth has happened? The modern Jack frightens the life out of me whenever a cross is played into our box and is the most timid 6'5", 15 stone bloke I have ever seen in my life. He should be absolutely bossing that 18 yard box but is an absolute pussy. Surely we can't be blaming an injury sustained nearly 3 years ago?
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 27, 2020 16:53:53 GMT
It doesn't seem long ago that we were arguing on this board whether we should let Butland go if we received an offer of £20m. What on earth has happened? The modern Jack frightens the life out of me whenever a cross is played into our box and is the most timid 6'5", 15 stone bloke I have ever seen in my life. He should be absolutely bossing that 18 yard box but is an absolute pussy. Surely we can't be blaming an injury sustained nearly 3 years ago? You may be able to if the injury has a mental aspect rather than just a physical healing.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 16:56:11 GMT
It's incredible his decline. You could argue he didn't get the nod at the World cup because he was behind the worst defence in the Premier League and that in itself doesn't lead to confidence. At the time without bias I thought he was still better than Pickford. Since then his career has gone into free fall along with the club itself. Is he genuinely even in maybe the top 7 English keepers now ? The decline of both him and Joe Hart is staggering. He surely is only worth 4 million tops having even lost his place to Federici at one time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:58:16 GMT
He seems to have got worse which blows the nonsense out of the water that he was struggling because the crowd were on his back.
Maybe he has a bigger fear of red seats?
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 27, 2020 17:01:16 GMT
Three years ago since the injury....seems like an eternity ago. Who would have thought we would be where we are now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:01:25 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today?
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 17:03:22 GMT
Henderson Pickford Ramsdale maybe ? Pope Heaton , when fit Foster , had a late career revival
Possibly all ahead of him now for England. Sad to see and I posted in June 2018 that other than a Wolves or Palace I couldn't see his next move. The big boys all signed keepers, Allison, Ederson, Kepa, Leno
His stock has plunged and it's very sad to see
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2020 17:03:38 GMT
Yeah, what did he do wrong today? The line up in front of him were just downright crap.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 17:04:40 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? No he didn't I think the thread is just generalising ? Least I hope so because he was not to blame today
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 17:05:40 GMT
I really don't think Butland was the one to blame today! Chester again lost his man for the first, McClean didn't do his job on the second, but didn't get any help from Chester either. Batth who was 2-3 yards behind Chester had to push out to try to block the shot while Chester was rooted! I really hope we don't have to watch Chester again in our colours! He really looks finished to me!
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 27, 2020 17:06:00 GMT
he just makes no effort to even get the ball.
a cursory minor bend of the knees before he's mouthing off (rightly) at the defence.
In my view, there are too may soft goals that i think he could reach if he tried.
It's the lack of effort (and distribution) that gets my back up.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 27, 2020 17:06:27 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? No ,some got upset he didnt dive for the 2nd goal,he was blocked by 2 defenders
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Post by redwhite on Jun 27, 2020 17:07:20 GMT
The seasons when Begovic was absolutely on fire, his shot stopping was fantastic but what really set him apart was how well he controlled his box. He would claim everything when we were under pressure and absolutely bully people out of the way.
Butland plays like he’s chained to the goal line.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2020 17:07:48 GMT
No chance with either goal today and pulled off one fantastic save, he didn't know it was offside.
First goal down to Chester, he nearly gave away two more, second down to a combination of McClean losing his man then Baath & Chester woefully slow in closing down.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:10:12 GMT
Talking of Chester, compare and contrast Boro defenders when blocking the Powell chance with Chester's attempt at blocking the 2nd goal.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 27, 2020 17:10:26 GMT
Let’s hope we can somehow get £4-5 million for him in the Summer.
A fresh start somewhere is just what he needs and we certainly need a better goalkeeper.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2020 17:11:30 GMT
I really don't think Butland was the one to blame today! Chester again lost his man for the first, McClean didn't do his job on the second, but didn't get any help from Chester either. Batth who was 2-3 yards behind Chester had to push out to try to block the shot while Chester was rooted! I really hope we don't have to watch Chester again in our colours! He really looks finished to me! Sadly it was one of Powells petulant fouls in a dangerous place that was at fault for the first goal.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 27, 2020 17:12:02 GMT
The seasons when Begovic was absolutely on fire, his shot stopping was fantastic but what really set him apart was how well he controlled his box. He would claim everything when we were under pressure and absolutely bully people out of the way. Butland plays like he’s chained to the goal line. i agree, it is his lack of mobility in the box. He does stay on his line and it gives the opposition greater opportunities to score. I fully understand the defence right now is a load of bollox, but Jack has to help himself and keep moving and be agile when needed.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 17:13:15 GMT
I really don't think Butland was the one to blame today! Chester again lost his man for the first, McClean didn't do his job on the second, but didn't get any help from Chester either. Batth who was 2-3 yards behind Chester had to push out to try to block the shot while Chester was rooted! I really hope we don't have to watch Chester again in our colours! He really looks finished to me! Sadly it was one of Powells petulant fouls in a dangerous place that was at fault for the first goal. So that is an excuse for Chester losing his man again!?
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 17:13:58 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? No he didn't I think the thread is just generalising ? Least I hope so because he was not to blame today I am generalising to a point but it's been a pattern that I've noticed most clubs we've played this season have directed free kicks and corners close to Butland and I picked up on it again early today. I disagree he wasn't to blame today, that shot from 25 yards hasn't come through a crowd of players or taken a wicked deflection. It was a good couple of foot inside the post and was hardly a net bulger, he should have saved it and at the very least attempted to save it.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 17:15:06 GMT
His kit is cleaner than when he put it on that's all you need to know.
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Post by adamsson on Jun 27, 2020 17:16:00 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? Stoke 6 shots on target 0 goals Boro 3 shots on target 2 goals
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2020 17:16:20 GMT
Sadly it was one of Powells petulant fouls in a dangerous place that was at fault for the first goal. So that is an excuse for Chester losing his man again!? Certainly not Chester and Indi should be nowhere near the team I'm just saying Powell doesn't need to foul there, and they score from it.
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Post by dave1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:16:41 GMT
He's shite
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 27, 2020 17:18:24 GMT
I think he's suffering PTSD - he needs a new club and quickly. Almost unbelievable what he's gone through since the heady days of saving Hazards penalty to beat Chelsea in the cup,playing season after season in the Prem and turning out for England ony to sustain a cruel injury and then bear witness to the rapid demise of the club post Hughes. Its a very sad tale.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:18:44 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? Stoke 6 shots on target 0 goals Boro 3 shots on target 2 goals How many do we score if Butland was in goal for them? How many do we concede if their keeper was in goal for us? You'll probably find the score remains 0-2.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2020 17:22:36 GMT
I don’t know what it is but whenever there’s a shot on our goal it seems to end up in the back of the net. Whilst not blaming Butland entirely for this it’s an uncanny knack we have of conceding the simplest of looking goals🤷🏻♂️
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 17:23:53 GMT
Stoke 6 shots on target 0 goals Boro 3 shots on target 2 goals How many do we score if Butland was in goal for them? How many do we concede if their keeper was in goal for us? You'll probably find the score remains 0-2. On current form, Butland may not have saved the McClean effort early doors which would have put us 1-0 up. A good chance the Boro keeper would have saved the second goal. So no, it wouldn't have still been 0-2.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 27, 2020 17:24:58 GMT
he just makes no effort to even get the ball. a cursory minor bend of the knees before he's mouthing off (rightly) at the defence. In my view, there are too may soft goals that i think he could reach if he tried. It's the lack of effort (and distribution) that gets my back up. How many goals are the same? Must be in double digits for the season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:27:11 GMT
I don’t know what it is but whenever there’s a shot on our goal it seems to end up in the back of the net. Whilst not blaming Butland entirely for this it’s an uncanny knack we have of conceding the simplest of looking goals🤷🏻♂️ Absolutely no one can argue with that. They've done next to nothing today yet still scored twice. We've had 6 clear cut chances from no more than 8 yards out and forced their keeper into 1 save.
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