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Post by stokeykez on Jun 27, 2020 22:15:37 GMT
Only part that gives me hope is that we have a better goal difference than those around us. Still think this league will throw up some very strange results, but we have done ourselves absolutely no favours.
We have zero creativity and not one match winner on the field or on the bench.
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Post by southstanddan on Jun 27, 2020 22:28:10 GMT
That can't be right mate. He's wank apparently and offers nothing, oh and he's one of the main reasons why we are in the state we are in  Should be fucked off soonest just like Pieters and Bardsley were |
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Post by matelot1996 on Jun 27, 2020 23:17:57 GMT
With the exception of Barnsley and Wigan (winnable) we are indeed in a particularly wank situation. Brentford, Birmingham, Leeds, Forest, Bristol. Fucking Hells Teeth. Blackpool Away first game of season anyone?
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 27, 2020 23:24:21 GMT
With the exception of Barnsley and Wigan (winnable) we are indeed in a particularly wank situation. Brentford, Birmingham, Leeds, Forest, Bristol. Fucking Hells Teeth. Blackpool Away first game of season anyone? Bristol are sliding away fast, still think there many be a point at forest. Not sure about the others though, praying and praying that efl will slap Sheffield weds with a 9 point deduction |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 27, 2020 23:24:41 GMT
Only part that gives me hope is that we have a better goal difference than those around us. Still think this league will throw up some very strange results, but we have done ourselves absolutely no favours. We have zero creativity and not one match winner on the field or on the bench. It's a situation very similar to the bottom of the Prem, a load of shit teams that are fortunate to have still one last chance at staying up. It will be the team that gets the bonus win, say against a top-ish team that stays up. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 28, 2020 5:08:24 GMT
Having calmed down overnight, I’m hoping yesterday will ultimately end up being seen as a result of the Warnock effect on Boro by the end of the season. Still just about feels to me like a year where we will stay up by the skin of our teeth rather than go down. Though next two games may change that opinion!
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Post by s7oke on Jun 28, 2020 5:42:09 GMT
Being as we have basic players and a manager who for the last two games developed Hughes rowett Jones fever.
The time has come to go back to basics
4-4-2
Lump the ball into the opposition box be horrible,nasty ,snide and vile and fucking hold on and hope this roller coaster doesn’t derail.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 28, 2020 5:47:52 GMT
The only thing that could potentially keep us up is the sheer volume of games teams have against each other. One side will always drop points. Counts for nothing of course if we don’t turn up but it will probably keep everyone in it until the bitter end. I'm worried that we have Brentford, Leeds and Forest in our run in. That could well and truly ruin us. I estimated that we needed to be 6 points clear of the bottom three before the final run in? ‘Est’ makes the point that lots of teams are playing each other. True but if A plays B and A wins that’s 3 pts then if C plays D and wins that’s 3 pts to C then in the next week if A plays D and D wins that’s 3 pts to D whilst if B plays C and wins that’s 3 pts to B. In 2 rounds of matches A, B , C and D have 3 pts ! If Stoke play Leeds and Brentford in those 2 weeks and lose we have zero points that’s why we are stuffed like a Christmas turkey! |
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Post by mrmojorisin on Jun 28, 2020 5:55:40 GMT
We'll be fine. Go 442 and get Vokes up top. It will be close but we'll do enough.
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Post by questionable on Jun 28, 2020 6:36:56 GMT
We are because how the hell do we put any kind of competent team on the pitch. We have absolutely nothing in any position on the pitch. Sums it up quite precisely but add to the fact that we have a manager who works with these con artists on a daily basis then manages to put together a train wreck of a starting eleven. |
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Post by nott1 on Jun 28, 2020 6:48:52 GMT
Today's performance has been nothing short of a disgrace. The entire 11 have been absolutely woeful. Two games in a row now since the restart and we have been awful. I've gone from confident to wondering where the next victory is going to come from. Everything about us looks fucking rank rotten. Half of them lot look like they've given up entirely. There is only one way we're heading at this rate. Add to that Wigan have won 2-0. It's not looking good at all. I'm struggling now to see how we stay up. Lose vs Wigan next week and that cements season over for me. I feel like we've already hit that point sadly. Absolutely wank match. Are they doing the virus checks properly, 'cos they have caught something nasty for sure? |
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Jun 28, 2020 7:06:54 GMT
24 matches with mon in charge 10 wins 9 losses and 5 draws. See how the next 3 matches go. In the last three it been 1 win 1 draw and 1 loss. The point is months apart. Keep that up and we will scrape over the line. The voice of measured reason. one win one draw one defeat gets us over the line. I think MON is the man to save us, but Jimmy at fullback or not starting isn't the answer. I doubt rate Chester, he's cost us goals (beaten by Fletcher who got in front of him for the first goal) We weren't great yesterday but made lots of changes that on another day will go in. Yes I am bitterly disappointed that we are in this position beaung in mind how much money we've spent. I think it's all part of the grand master-plan that sees Stoke City win the Second Division every thirty years: 32-33, 62-63, 92-93 and 22-23. Just need two more relegations in time for the start of 2022-23! Wigan have lost plenty of home games this season but have done well recently, Powell notwithstanding (idiot for getting two yellows when the game was lost) the team should have enough to get it right. Jimmy back wide left, surely we can get one good game this season out of Ince (I will be holding my breath) two up top Vokes and Campbell) Lasse and Clucas (who did the invisible man proud on Saturday) Smith, Collins and Batth (or Shawcross if fit) If Tynon really cannot play left back under MON then I'd go with BMI (but he's not allowed to handle the ball for throw-ins). Jack in goal. Goaarnn Stoke. MON will get it right |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 28, 2020 7:08:24 GMT
The baffling thing is that even though we've spent scandalous amounts of money and have a squad that's larger than anybody else's in the division, we cannot put eleven footballers out onto a pitch in a balanced formation.
Back in 2017, if we'd given a blind man a copy of the Rothman's Football Annual and a pin, and based our entire transfer strategy on what happened next, we'd be in a better position than we are now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 7:12:23 GMT
The baffling thing is that even though we've spent scandalous amounts of money and have a squad that's larger than anybody else's in the division, we cannot put eleven footballers out onto a pitch in a balanced formation. Back in 2017, if we'd given a blind man a copy of the Rothman's Football Annual and a pin, and based our entire transfer strategy on what happened next, we'd be in a better position than we are now. The money we've spent to end up where we are is more than scandalous. It's just baffling. People keep comparing us to Sunderland. We're about 70M times worse than them! |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 28, 2020 7:14:57 GMT
Can only agree with the thrust of Rob's tweetstorm, so it must unfortunately be a BIG FAT ZERO for MON. Plot well and truly lost. Trying to be too clever by half, and that normally ends badly. He seems to have completely lost the plot during lockdown. It's like we're currently being managed by his evil twin brother, Humphrey O'Neill Totally agree - all Rob’s tweets were rock solid justified. Yesterday felt like being given a nice box of chocolates, to look forward to, only to find that on opening, it was an exploding bag of shit! |
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Post by hogansgoals on Jun 28, 2020 8:36:09 GMT
two wins and three draws. 2 defeats in 7 seems even more unlikely two wins might be enough ,49 points |
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2020 8:37:27 GMT
I thought they looked in the wrong pond and I said so at the time my list of candidates would not have even had them in the top ten. We had a half decent side with very wealthy owners who could have offered a top class guy 10million to keep us up no strings attached stay up and we'll talk long term we go down you leave with millions in the bank. Given we wasted millions of players who hardly played or never wanted to play from day one it was a risk I would have taken. Ancelotti would have been one of my list I'm not sure Everton were much better than us at the time and he rocked up there 🤷♂️ I think Ancelotti was manager of Bayern Munich at the time mate, It's unlikely he would have given that job up to fight our relegation battle. He was sacked in September 2017 by Bayern, LMH was sacked January 2018 Ancelotti was appointed at Napoli in MAY 2018 so he was unemployed and open to offers 👍 |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 28, 2020 8:48:45 GMT
The baffling thing is that even though we've spent scandalous amounts of money and have a squad that's larger than anybody else's in the division, we cannot put eleven footballers out onto a pitch in a balanced formation. Back in 2017, if we'd given a blind man a copy of the Rothman's Football Annual and a pin, and based our entire transfer strategy on what happened next, we'd be in a better position than we are now. Some of your analogies are brilliant.  |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 28, 2020 8:50:47 GMT
I blame Boris Johnson and Co. They should have ended this season and just restarted fresh when Covid19 is gone from these shores. I do agree with the OP we are up shit creek without a paddle and a big funking hole in the bottom of our canoe. ....and heading towards the Niagara Falls of division 1 Sad times ahead Although we will piss that tin out league 🤣 |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jun 28, 2020 8:55:05 GMT
Everything Mon did well pre covid he's not doing now. Square pegs on round holes all over the place.
He need to reflect on this to see how we gain a hold of this grave situation albeit we still contrived to make a bucket load of chances.
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Post by banx10 on Jun 28, 2020 8:59:06 GMT
The problem is virtually every player is dog shite.
Though some are trying.
Some like Ince makes out he’s trying, but he’s never been bothered at any of his 10 clubs or whatever it is. He doesn’t even like football. He loves the money though.
What’s the answer? A fearsome manager & there are only a few of them left. Pulis, Warnock, Pearson. But they would all have a near total
Clear out & start from scratch, which is what we’ll do in League One.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 28, 2020 8:59:51 GMT
To have any chance or glimmer of hope the next two games have to be won nothing less than 6 points or we are sunk.
For all the good work MON has done by getting us out of the bottom 3 i think he has been found out in the last 2 games team selection & tactics have been very poor.
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Post by timehascome on Jun 28, 2020 9:03:01 GMT
I know I'm about to get slaughtered but they fucked this club the moment Paul Lambert walk through the door. A cheap ass appointment lacking in any ambition and cemented our relegation. hughes was what created this mess. european manager could of fixed it. rowett should of bin kept to keep us in chapionship oneil came to late. |
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 28, 2020 11:17:56 GMT
I know I'm about to get slaughtered but they fucked this club the moment Paul Lambert walk through the door. A cheap ass appointment lacking in any ambition and cemented our relegation. hughes was what created this mess. european manager could of fixed it. rowett should of bin kept to keep us in chapionship oneil came to late. What's with your European manager fetish? Just because some bloke has a fancy foreign name doesn't mean he'd have fared any better. They could do just as shit as Lambert did. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 28, 2020 11:27:49 GMT
I know it's a shocking indictment of my memory, but what formation were we playing before lockdown if not 4-3-3? Was it not Allen and Clucas behind Powell, with McClean, Vokes/Ince and Campbell ahead of them?
The system doesn't matter a whit if you have a comedy defence that turns every simple scenario into a goalscoring opportunity for your opponents. Our players get caught on the turn by every simple ball played behind them. More than once, they turned possession in our own half, shielding the ball out of play or a simple pass back into a gilt-edged chance.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 28, 2020 11:31:56 GMT
I know I'm about to get slaughtered but they fucked this club the moment Paul Lambert walk through the door. A cheap ass appointment lacking in any ambition and cemented our relegation. hughes was what created this mess. european manager could of fixed it. rowett should of bin kept to keep us in chapionship oneil came to late. COULD HAVE.....SHOULD HAVE! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 11:38:33 GMT
Just a reminder we were 5 unbeaten until yesterday.
Some won’t want to admit it but we’ve missed Allen massively, O’Neill needs to find an alternative way of picking up points in his absence and I have faith that he will do that based on the evidence I’ve seen from him in charge so far.
After a night of reflection I’m still confident we’ll stay up......
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2020 12:14:26 GMT
hughes was what created this mess. european manager could of fixed it. rowett should of bin kept to keep us in chapionship oneil came to late. What's with your European manager fetish? Just because some bloke has a fancy foreign name doesn't mean he'd have fared any better. They could do just as shit as Lambert did. Of course they could but let's take a quick look, PL, GR, NJ and so far MON have so far underwhelmed I'll even throw in LMH last 18months (although he gave us some of the best we've seen in decades) then Fergie aside the Prem has been dominated by overseas managers. While we were stuck in our one track mind others experimented some failed absolutely but we never even tried to evolve. LMH had some fantastic players and most were foreign they are fine but not the manager you get imho the best you can get and if you're telling me the "best" we could get is those lot then fine but I'll argue it's the best we could get with our blinkered cheap ass approach. We throw millions away on players but wouldn't risk throwing millions at a top class proven manager after LMH was sacked for a few months to save the club. Edit: an example Wimmer 18mill pissed up the wall, Imbula, Badou, Etebo, 60Mill for fuck all, now again its hypothetical but Carlo Ancelotti 5mill a month for 4 months from Jan to May 2018 20million we go down oh well he goes with no hard feelings we tried, we stay up and who knows he's saved the club 100s of millions along the way PL was never ever going to save us. You sell the club, the dream, the recruitment the spending power not we are shit and that's your lot make do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 11:35:31 GMT
The problem is virtually every player is dog shite. Though some are trying. Some like Ince makes out he’s trying, but he’s never been bothered at any of his 10 clubs or whatever it is. He doesn’t even like football. He loves the money though. What’s the answer? A fearsome manager & there are only a few of them left. Pulis, Warnock, Pearson. But they would all have a near total Clear out & start from scratch, which is what we’ll do in League One. I hope this is what we do in league 1 I really hope it But I have a nagging feeling that scholes and JC will still be in charge in league 1 .They shouldn't be. That would be insanity. But nevertheless I feel they will . |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 29, 2020 11:59:32 GMT
I know I'm about to get slaughtered but they fucked this club the moment Paul Lambert walk through the door. A cheap ass appointment lacking in any ambition and cemented our relegation. Correct. An appointment compounded, certainly by the two following and, judging by his selection / game management in the last two fixtures, three managers. Not a popular opinion either, but I'd have had Colin in ahead of any or all of those at the time. Superb record where promo / relegation is concerned. Not a cat in hell's chance we'd be where we are now had he been one of the three. Let's just pray MoN reverts back to the manager we thought we'd got. |
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