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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2021 20:53:07 GMT
There seems to be generally a lot of effort invested on here in trying to stress how hard it is being a police officer on £35k a year, and the things you have to deal with. Which I entirely get.Eg. on the Dalian Atkinson thread there was plenty of “Yeah it’s awful but imagine the fear...” I just find it strange that that level of mitigation is lacking when it’s a security guard on about £8 an hour working the graveyard shift on the door of McDonald’s.... With probably none of the training, career opportunities, pension and so on that a police officer might reasonably expect. The big difference is the video is very clear in relation to the incident. I have sympathy for the Security guard but he’s gone way beyond what he should have done in relation to the force used. There’s also a huge difference between dealing with a middle aged lady who’s clearly very vulnerable and a huge ex athlete threatening to take someone to the gates of hell. There are small similarities but the situations are hugely different. Sorry mate, but vulnerability doesn't excuse it. What if she threw acid in his face, what if she tried to stab him, what if those arseholes filming were thinking of joining in and attacking him if they considered him an easy target. He must have felt so uncomfortable with them recording him and giving him shit. It's humiliating. My only regret is that the real police weren't there to give them all a beating. (Not that they could).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 21:34:55 GMT
I like to base my thoughts on balanced evidence from both sides rather than a deep lying hatred / prejudice. I’d never condone unnecessary violence but I certainly wouldn’t base my view from a one sided perspective. The video of the security guy and the lady can only be seen as excessive violence after some provocation and is quite clear. The camera phones from the riots are very carefully made to show police negatively and are clearly edited cutting out the lead up / provocation and do not give the full picture. When I see / hear both sides or from an impartial view i’m happy to condone behaviour if it’s wrong whoever does it. Imagine walking down the street, even with your kids, and some wanker throws a hot drink in your face for no reason. In this case there is nothing wrong with giving said person an absolute kicking. Whether it's woman or not hardly matters. It's this kind of 2nd guessing that police have to do that causes them problems. Anyone who commits 'unprovoked' violent acts like this should get no protection. This was a normal guy doing his job. He doesn't get paid to have to get abused like that. I'd love to see those on here defending that woman have to put up with what the guy did and then casually try to calculate the exact measurement of force with which they should respond. It just doesn't work like that in the real world. These kind of scum have to be dealt with severely and without fear of repercussion. He gave her a kicking and it clearly wasn't enough so she (and they) laughed at him. Fair play for going back and teaching her a lesson she'll hopefully never forget. Hope he gets a promotion for going above and beyond his duty. Reality is he won’t. Though i do have sympathy for him there has to be a limit as to how much force can be used or else people would be tearing each other limb from limb. I think the problem for him will be when he goes back and the fact he’s using a weapon. You just can’t do that. The most sickening bit is that you have a female who clearly has issues who’s been used as some sort of stooge by some idiot with a phone who wants to video the incident for a laugh.
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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2021 21:59:30 GMT
Imagine walking down the street, even with your kids, and some wanker throws a hot drink in your face for no reason. In this case there is nothing wrong with giving said person an absolute kicking. Whether it's woman or not hardly matters. It's this kind of 2nd guessing that police have to do that causes them problems. Anyone who commits 'unprovoked' violent acts like this should get no protection. This was a normal guy doing his job. He doesn't get paid to have to get abused like that. I'd love to see those on here defending that woman have to put up with what the guy did and then casually try to calculate the exact measurement of force with which they should respond. It just doesn't work like that in the real world. These kind of scum have to be dealt with severely and without fear of repercussion. He gave her a kicking and it clearly wasn't enough so she (and they) laughed at him. Fair play for going back and teaching her a lesson she'll hopefully never forget. Hope he gets a promotion for going above and beyond his duty. Reality is he won’t. Though i do have sympathy for him there has to be a limit as to how much force can be used or else people would be tearing each other limb from limb. I think the problem for him will be when he goes back and the fact he’s using a weapon. You just can’t do that. The most sickening bit is that you have a female who clearly has issues who’s been used as some sort of stooge by some idiot with a phone who wants to video the incident for a laugh. I agree she's being egged on, but she's probably done the same thing to loads of people. Yes there does need to be a limit on force but she didn't get it so bad. The guys recording are just as guilty as her.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 22:27:24 GMT
Reality is he won’t. Though i do have sympathy for him there has to be a limit as to how much force can be used or else people would be tearing each other limb from limb. I think the problem for him will be when he goes back and the fact he’s using a weapon. You just can’t do that. The most sickening bit is that you have a female who clearly has issues who’s been used as some sort of stooge by some idiot with a phone who wants to video the incident for a laugh. I agree she's being egged on, but she's probably done the same thing to loads of people. Yes there does need to be a limit on force but she didn't get it so bad. The guys recording are just as guilty as her. Even more so as she’s probably so out of it she doesn’t even know what she’s doing. It’s obvious they’ve manipulated this for their own entertainment.
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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2021 22:50:31 GMT
I agree she's being egged on, but she's probably done the same thing to loads of people. Yes there does need to be a limit on force but she didn't get it so bad. The guys recording are just as guilty as her. Even more so as she’s probably so out of it she doesn’t even know what she’s doing. It’s obvious they’ve manipulated this for their own entertainment. Don't get people like that. To be honest I just want to be safe and I want as safe as an environment as possible for my kids. I've never been violent to anyone without just cause and I abhore violence towards people when unprovoked and for entertainment or otherwise. Unless for sport. As such, and I've said this before, I have a zero tolerance view on it and crime in general.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 22:57:32 GMT
Even more so as she’s probably so out of it she doesn’t even know what she’s doing. It’s obvious they’ve manipulated this for their own entertainment. Don't get people like that. To be honest I just want to be safe and I want as safe as an environment as possible for my kids. I've never been violent to anyone without just cause and I abhore violence towards people when unprovoked and for entertainment or otherwise. Unless for sport. As such, and I've said this before, I have a zero tolerance view on it and crime in general. There’s nothing worse than a bully or gangs that use pack mentality to intimidate. Violence is so unnecessary it should never become the norm. Problem is that with the various online sites people will do anything for entertainment nowadays including setting up others to fight and bully.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2021 6:59:45 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 3, 2021 12:14:00 GMT
Despicable. I ended up in an area of Prague once where you would not be surprised if tourists went missing from time to time, same in Bulgaria, and I still felt safer there than whenever I’ve had to go to London for work in the middle of the day. It’s a fucking shithole.
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Post by Northy on Jul 8, 2021 13:41:52 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 8, 2021 14:29:20 GMT
Despicable. I ended up in an area of Prague once where you would not be surprised if tourists went missing from time to time, same in Bulgaria, and I still felt safer there than whenever I’ve had to go to London for work in the middle of the day. It’s a fucking shithole. Its like that though in most cities - meaning for every Belgravia theres a Canning Town, for every Bayswater theres a Southwall, for every Pimlico theres a Kilburn........
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Post by questionable on Jul 8, 2021 14:34:44 GMT
Despicable. I ended up in an area of Prague once where you would not be surprised if tourists went missing from time to time, same in Bulgaria, and I still felt safer there than whenever I’ve had to go to London for work in the middle of the day. It’s a fucking shithole. Prague’s lovely presume you’re referring to the the new town district by the high rise flats, we walked through there going to the opera suited and booted and it’s kinda rough but on par with Hanley really.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 8, 2021 15:53:01 GMT
Despicable. I ended up in an area of Prague once where you would not be surprised if tourists went missing from time to time, same in Bulgaria, and I still felt safer there than whenever I’ve had to go to London for work in the middle of the day. It’s a fucking shithole. Its like that though in most cities - meaning for every Belgravia theres a Canning Town, for every Bayswater theres a Southwall, for every Pimlico theres a Kilburn........ You can at least get off the train at Kings Cross in safety which can't always be guaranteed at the Gare du Nord these days.
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Post by musik on Jul 8, 2021 23:03:10 GMT
Dead right away or in a few minutes. Something to read for the ones holding the knife.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2021 16:24:53 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 11, 2021 16:52:09 GMT
There’s no quick answer it’ll take time but this might help - Keep kids in eduction at all costs - Increase stop search - More money into clubs and support - stiffer sentences - more stop search - Fine parents if they can’t keep their kids under control - Don’t make it too easy for young people to live off the state. Make them work voluntarily if they can’t find work
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Post by hoffgreen on Jul 11, 2021 17:02:41 GMT
There’s no quick answer it’ll take time but this might help - Keep kids in eduction at all costs - Increase stop search - More money into clubs and support - stiffer sentences - more stop search - Fine parents if they can’t keep their kids under control - Don’t make it too easy for young people to live off the state. Make them work voluntarily if they can’t find work The uncomfortable truth is we need mass deportations..... For this island to prosper it needs to revert back to a white British homogeneous high trust society.... anything else is a betrayal of our ancestors who built this country from the ground up, brick by brick
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 11, 2021 17:55:27 GMT
There’s no quick answer it’ll take time but this might help - Keep kids in eduction at all costs - Increase stop search - More money into clubs and support - stiffer sentences - more stop search - Fine parents if they can’t keep their kids under control - Don’t make it too easy for young people to live off the state. Make them work voluntarily if they can’t find work The uncomfortable truth is we need mass deportations..... For this island to prosper it needs to revert back to a white British homogeneous high trust society.... anything else is a betrayal of our ancestors who built this country from the ground up, brick by brick “A white British homogeneous high trust society” What’s does that absolute bollocks even mean?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 11, 2021 18:08:57 GMT
There’s no quick answer it’ll take time but this might help - Keep kids in eduction at all costs - Increase stop search - More money into clubs and support - stiffer sentences - more stop search - Fine parents if they can’t keep their kids under control - Don’t make it too easy for young people to live off the state. Make them work voluntarily if they can’t find work The uncomfortable truth is we need mass deportations..... For this island to prosper it needs to revert back to a white British homogeneous high trust society.... anything else is a betrayal of our ancestors who built this country from the ground up, brick by brick Completely agree. On all our behalfs, I nominate your good self to apologise for that "betrayal" to the descendants of the Danes, Germans, Norse, Huguenots, Jews, Irish, West Indians and Asians who did indeed build this country up from the ground brick by brick
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 11, 2021 18:25:15 GMT
The uncomfortable truth is we need mass deportations..... For this island to prosper it needs to revert back to a white British homogeneous high trust society.... anything else is a betrayal of our ancestors who built this country from the ground up, brick by brick “A white British homogeneous high trust society” What’s does that absolute bollocks even mean? I'm hoping its some sort of poorly judged attempt at humour otherwise it's what it looks like and we should be seeing a deportation from this messageboard.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 18, 2021 17:11:27 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 21, 2021 14:46:40 GMT
This is why I get a bit touchy when people have a dig at the police as all being corrupt or “scum.” I’m sure there’s not many people have the balls to go into work not knowing if this sort of stuffs going to happen to them. We need to start supporting our police not attacking them and making them out to be the lowest of the low or this type of incident will become more common. Yes there are some bad eggs some very bad ones but the majority of officers are family men / women who go out every i shift to help and protect the community.
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Post by franklin on Jul 21, 2021 17:26:07 GMT
This is why I get a bit touchy when people have a dig at the police as all being corrupt or “scum.” I’m sure there’s not many people have the balls to go into work not knowing if this sort of stuffs going to happen to them. We need to start supporting our police not attacking them and making them out to be the lowest of the low or this type of incident will become more common. Yes there are some bad eggs some very bad ones but the majority of officers are family men / women who go out every i shift to help and protect the community. Totally agree mate I dispare.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 17:30:37 GMT
This is why I get a bit touchy when people have a dig at the police as all being corrupt or “scum.” I’m sure there’s not many people have the balls to go into work not knowing if this sort of stuffs going to happen to them. We need to start supporting our police not attacking them and making them out to be the lowest of the low or this type of incident will become more common. Yes there are some bad eggs some very bad ones but the majority of officers are family men / women who go out every i shift to help and protect the community. And so you should get touchy. These people wouldn't be so quick to slag the Police off from behind their risk free keyboards if they had to go out on our streets armed with a stick and some pepper spray, and be confronted by knife wielding maniacs or large mobs of people intending to cause them harm. Our country is getting to the stage where, in my opinion, our officers of the law should be armed, and anyone who attacks them with a blade is fair game for a bullet in the head. Strong opinion, which a lot of people will scoff at, but doing nothing will just see things escalating out of control as they are doing now. 3 people, all employed to protect us, have been attacked with knives in broad daylight in the space of two days in one city, how can we just sit back and do nothing? Until then, the people responsible for these latest attacks deserve life in prison in my book, obviously won't happen but that's another failing.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 23, 2021 20:12:04 GMT
Not a stabbing but what the hell is this country becoming...
This is carried out by a group called Live Madness Replays, they apparently put this shit on TikToc & Instagram 'for entertainment purposes only'.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 23, 2021 20:15:39 GMT
Not a stabbing but what the hell is this country becoming... This is carried out by a group called Live Madness Replays, they apparently put this shit on TikToc & Instagram 'for entertainment purposes only'. Spidey is going to need to be practicing not dropping the soap for that unless its staged thats prison time and rightly so.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 23, 2021 20:24:25 GMT
Spidey is going to need to be practicing not dropping the soap for that unless its staged thats prison time and rightly so. Not staged. Here's another video, and a police Tweet.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 23, 2021 20:36:26 GMT
Have I woken up in a parallel universe? Those videos are surreal. Until these dicks are given a damned good thrashing nothings going to change. The police and criminal justice system offer no deterrent whatsoever.
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