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Post by xchpotter on Jun 22, 2021 10:39:07 GMT
Lovely. Poor innocent people caught up in the middle of that. Can anyone really try and justify this culture or say they need to be understood and educated to stop it?
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Jun 22, 2021 10:44:08 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jun 22, 2021 10:44:08 GMT
I wonder if they were angry at being banned from travelling to their Scotish holidays in Govan.
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Jun 23, 2021 22:36:54 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 23, 2021 22:36:54 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 24, 2021 17:55:48 GMT
Reminds me far too readily of the incident when I was on the wrong end of a knife trying to arrest a guy, not a reporter in sight.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 24, 2021 21:05:06 GMT
Reminds me far too readily of the incident when I was on the wrong end of a knife trying to arrest a guy, not a reporter in sight. People seem to forget the risks that Police take on a daily basis and just put it down as being one of the pitfalls of the job. Shame that they dont put as much support in backing them in stories like this that they do knocking them at the first opportunity.
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Post by franklin on Jun 25, 2021 7:20:55 GMT
Reminds me far too readily of the incident when I was on the wrong end of a knife trying to arrest a guy, not a reporter in sight. People seem to forget the risks that Police take on a daily basis and just put it down as being one of the pitfalls of the job. Shame that they dont put as much support in backing them in stories like this that they do knocking them at the first opportunity. That's right mate the same with Section 5 POA when it stated that abuse towards cops was to be expected and not necessarily an offence. Just because you have PPE does not make anyone less fearful or vulnerable or offended they are after all just mums and dads not marvel superheroes.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 26, 2021 8:10:16 GMT
People seem to forget the risks that Police take on a daily basis and just put it down as being one of the pitfalls of the job. Shame that they dont put as much support in backing them in stories like this that they do knocking them at the first opportunity. That's right mate the same with Section 5 POA when it stated that abuse towards cops was to be expected and not necessarily an offence. Just because you have PPE does not make anyone less fearful or vulnerable or offended they are after all just mums and dads not marvel superheroes. When your day job brings you into direct contact with every section of humanity and all that it's capable of you have to somehow detach from the personal aspect and cope immediately with what presents itself. Almost everything you do from sorting out rent disagreements to picking up body parts after railway incidents tests every human emotion. No other profession exists that does this.
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Post by franklin on Jun 26, 2021 8:46:13 GMT
That's right mate the same with Section 5 POA when it stated that abuse towards cops was to be expected and not necessarily an offence. Just because you have PPE does not make anyone less fearful or vulnerable or offended they are after all just mums and dads not marvel superheroes. When your day job brings you into direct contact with every section of humanity and all that it's capable of you have to somehow detach from the personal aspect and cope immediately with what presents itself. Almost everything you do from sorting out rent disagreements to picking up body parts after railway incidents tests every human emotion. No other profession exists that does this. True mate I've said this before but at one point 25%+ of my shift were on anti depressants dealing with depression, anxiety and stress related illness. I used to have to go to a station for a check up as one of my roles was fatal investigation and once a year I attended a meeting and was asked if I was OK I said yes, OK see you next year was the total care offered.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 26, 2021 16:35:23 GMT
When your day job brings you into direct contact with every section of humanity and all that it's capable of you have to somehow detach from the personal aspect and cope immediately with what presents itself. Almost everything you do from sorting out rent disagreements to picking up body parts after railway incidents tests every human emotion. No other profession exists that does this. True mate I've said this before but at one point 25%+ of my shift were on anti depressants dealing with depression, anxiety and stress related illness. I used to have to go to a station for a check up as one of my roles was fatal investigation and once a year I attended a meeting and was asked if I was OK I said yes, OK see you next year was the total care offered. And that’s before covid. Over the last couple of years it feels like everyone wants to have a pop at Police because of the odd bad egg. The great work that 1000s do seems to be invisible to the press as is the focus on Officers when they get hurt.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 27, 2021 14:12:57 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here...
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Jun 27, 2021 16:30:31 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 27, 2021 16:30:31 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... I have no idea what they're saying, but I guess he did the last two kicks because she laughed. What did she want in the first place?
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Jun 27, 2021 16:33:05 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 27, 2021 16:33:05 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... I have no idea what they're saying, but I guess he did the last two kicks because she laughed. What did she want in the first place?
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Jun 27, 2021 16:35:10 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2021 16:35:10 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... I think he’s gone 100 miles past self defence. He could find himself in some very serious trouble assault with an offensive weapon. b For her assault too. Interesting reaction from the idiots filming. I’m pretty sure if that was a police officer simply restraining they’d be haranguing them and calling them all the names under the sun. Looks like Birmingham and London are having a competition for the most violent city in the u.k.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
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Post by dexta on Jun 27, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... can't understand why people prefer to film it instead of preventing it the lads who were filming it were egging her on to do it. Wankers
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Jun 27, 2021 17:08:36 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jun 27, 2021 17:08:36 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... That behaviour is fucking unacceptable. He should be arrested. He won't be though.
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Post by Pedropotter on Jun 27, 2021 17:15:56 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... What a total coward.... he needs locking up.
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Jun 27, 2021 17:32:53 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2021 17:32:53 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... can't understand why people prefer to film it instead of preventing it the lads who were filming it were egging her on to do it. Wankers I might be wrong but she looks vulnerable possibly alcohol dependent.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 27, 2021 20:43:59 GMT
Imagine walking into that chaos and having to make rapid decisions. Willing to bet you're spot on re your last sentence.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 27, 2021 20:50:24 GMT
Anybody having a go at the police ought to try doing one of their shifts. They wouldn't last 10 minutes.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 27, 2021 20:55:34 GMT
That's right mate the same with Section 5 POA when it stated that abuse towards cops was to be expected and not necessarily an offence. Just because you have PPE does not make anyone less fearful or vulnerable or offended they are after all just mums and dads not marvel superheroes. When your day job brings you into direct contact with every section of humanity and all that it's capable of you have to somehow detach from the personal aspect and cope immediately with what presents itself. Almost everything you do from sorting out rent disagreements to picking up body parts after railway incidents tests every human emotion. No other profession exists that does this. Bloody hell.......... you and your former colleagues get 100% respect from me, Chuff.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jun 27, 2021 21:00:05 GMT
When your day job brings you into direct contact with every section of humanity and all that it's capable of you have to somehow detach from the personal aspect and cope immediately with what presents itself. Almost everything you do from sorting out rent disagreements to picking up body parts after railway incidents tests every human emotion. No other profession exists that does this. True mate I've said this before but at one point 25%+ of my shift were on anti depressants dealing with depression, anxiety and stress related illness. I used to have to go to a station for a check up as one of my roles was fatal investigation and once a year I attended a meeting and was asked if I was OK I said yes, OK see you next year was the total care offered. Again, 100% respect, Franklin.
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Jun 29, 2021 5:47:54 GMT
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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2021 5:47:54 GMT
Not a stabbing but my word there's a lot to unpack here... I think he’s gone 100 miles past self defence. He could find himself in some very serious trouble assault with an offensive weapon. b For her assault too. Interesting reaction from the idiots filming. I’m pretty sure if that was a police officer simply restraining they’d be haranguing them and calling them all the names under the sun. Looks like Birmingham and London are having a competition for the most violent city in the u.k. Fair play imo. Not sure what the drink was but if it was boiling hot coffee it could have caused serious injury. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. The guy recording should also have gotten a beat down for inciting violence.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 29, 2021 11:45:46 GMT
I think he’s gone 100 miles past self defence. He could find himself in some very serious trouble assault with an offensive weapon. b For her assault too. Interesting reaction from the idiots filming. I’m pretty sure if that was a police officer simply restraining they’d be haranguing them and calling them all the names under the sun. Looks like Birmingham and London are having a competition for the most violent city in the u.k. Fair play imo. Not sure what the drink was but if it was boiling hot coffee it could have caused serious injury. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. The guy recording should also have gotten a beat down for inciting violence. Worth pointing out that if the security guard had been a police officer, more people on here would probably be defending his actions.
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Jun 29, 2021 16:00:50 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 16:00:50 GMT
Fair play imo. Not sure what the drink was but if it was boiling hot coffee it could have caused serious injury. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. The guy recording should also have gotten a beat down for inciting violence. Worth pointing out that if the security guard had been a police officer, more people on here would probably be defending his actions. it’s clearly indefensible whether the guys in a uniform or not. I think you have people very wrong. You can’t clump all incidents together. They’re all different.
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Jun 29, 2021 17:54:36 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jun 29, 2021 17:54:36 GMT
Not at all. If force is warranted, I will back it. I won't back the police punching women and booting people in the head. Suppose we all have different levels of tolerance.
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Jun 29, 2021 18:16:03 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 18:16:03 GMT
Not at all. If force is warranted, I will back it. I won't back the police punching women and booting people in the head. Suppose we all have different levels of tolerance. I like to base my thoughts on balanced evidence from both sides rather than a deep lying hatred / prejudice. I’d never condone unnecessary violence but I certainly wouldn’t base my view from a one sided perspective. The video of the security guy and the lady can only be seen as excessive violence after some provocation and is quite clear. The camera phones from the riots are very carefully made to show police negatively and are clearly edited cutting out the lead up / provocation and do not give the full picture. When I see / hear both sides or from an impartial view i’m happy to condone behaviour if it’s wrong whoever does it.
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Jun 29, 2021 20:16:22 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 29, 2021 20:16:22 GMT
Worth pointing out that if the security guard had been a police officer, more people on here would probably be defending his actions. it’s clearly indefensible whether the guys in a uniform or not. I think you have people very wrong. You can’t clump all incidents together. They’re all different. There seems to be generally a lot of effort invested on here in trying to stress how hard it is being a police officer on £35k a year, and the things you have to deal with. Which I entirely get.Eg. on the Dalian Atkinson thread there was plenty of “Yeah it’s awful but imagine the fear...” I just find it strange that that level of mitigation is lacking when it’s a security guard on about £8 an hour working the graveyard shift on the door of McDonald’s.... With probably none of the training, career opportunities, pension and so on that a police officer might reasonably expect.
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Jun 29, 2021 20:41:28 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2021 20:41:28 GMT
it’s clearly indefensible whether the guys in a uniform or not. I think you have people very wrong. You can’t clump all incidents together. They’re all different. There seems to be generally a lot of effort invested on here in trying to stress how hard it is being a police officer on £35k a year, and the things you have to deal with. Which I entirely get.Eg. on the Dalian Atkinson thread there was plenty of “Yeah it’s awful but imagine the fear...” I just find it strange that that level of mitigation is lacking when it’s a security guard on about £8 an hour working the graveyard shift on the door of McDonald’s.... With probably none of the training, career opportunities, pension and so on that a police officer might reasonably expect. The big difference is the video is very clear in relation to the incident. I have sympathy for the Security guard but he’s gone way beyond what he should have done in relation to the force used. There’s also a huge difference between dealing with a middle aged lady who’s clearly very vulnerable and a huge ex athlete threatening to take someone to the gates of hell. There are small similarities but the situations are hugely different.
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Post by foster on Jun 29, 2021 20:47:10 GMT
Not at all. If force is warranted, I will back it. I won't back the police punching women and booting people in the head. Suppose we all have different levels of tolerance. I like to base my thoughts on balanced evidence from both sides rather than a deep lying hatred / prejudice. I’d never condone unnecessary violence but I certainly wouldn’t base my view from a one sided perspective. The video of the security guy and the lady can only be seen as excessive violence after some provocation and is quite clear. The camera phones from the riots are very carefully made to show police negatively and are clearly edited cutting out the lead up / provocation and do not give the full picture. When I see / hear both sides or from an impartial view i’m happy to condone behaviour if it’s wrong whoever does it. Imagine walking down the street, even with your kids, and some wanker throws a hot drink in your face for no reason. In this case there is nothing wrong with giving said person an absolute kicking. Whether it's woman or not hardly matters. It's this kind of 2nd guessing that police have to do that causes them problems. Anyone who commits 'unprovoked' violent acts like this should get no protection. This was a normal guy doing his job. He doesn't get paid to have to get abused like that. I'd love to see those on here defending that woman have to put up with what the guy did and then casually try to calculate the exact measurement of force with which they should respond. It just doesn't work like that in the real world. These kind of scum have to be dealt with severely and without fear of repercussion. He gave her a kicking and it clearly wasn't enough so she (and they) laughed at him. Fair play for going back and teaching her a lesson she'll hopefully never forget. Hope he gets a promotion for going above and beyond his duty.
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