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Apr 28, 2021 10:12:02 GMT
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Post by musik on Apr 28, 2021 10:12:02 GMT
Now during the pandemic I looked across the street the other day towards the house with flats. The TV was on in 4-5 of the six appartments. Guess what? On all those TV screens I saw a violent tv game scene, shootings mostly but also one involving swords and cuts. There's an old saying: you become what you see and hear, what's around you, the environment. Boring perhaps. Boring that the human race can't think for themselves and not become slaves to what they experience. But that's the why it is. Complete bollocks. Rather Basic Psychology.
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Apr 28, 2021 10:20:29 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 10:20:29 GMT
To attribute stabbings to video games is pathetic.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 28, 2021 11:12:16 GMT
To attribute stabbings to video games is pathetic. I've been running over people and beating prostitutes to death on Grand Theft Auto since I was about 11 years old, ripping peoples spleens out on Mortal Kombat, and to a less violent degree driving recklessly through traffic on Need for Speed. At no point did I ever think, "Yeah let's go and do this for real", even in my formative years, it's a shockingly outdated stereotype.
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Post by felonious on Apr 28, 2021 11:49:32 GMT
To attribute stabbings to video games is pathetic. I've been running over people and beating prostitutes to death on Grand Theft Auto since I was about 11 years old, ripping peoples spleens out on Mortal Kombat, and to a less violent degree driving recklessly through traffic on Need for Speed. At no point did I ever think, "Yeah let's go and do this for real", even in my formative years, it's a shockingly outdated stereotype. Phew, thanks for that, for one moment I was thinking we'd have to kick the lad out
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Apr 28, 2021 13:37:01 GMT
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Post by tuum on Apr 28, 2021 13:37:01 GMT
I thought the idea that watching violent video games makes you violent has been well and truly debunked? I was recently watching a Netflix doc on gaming where they were discussing pros and cons and this issue was covered.
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Apr 28, 2021 13:37:12 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 13:37:12 GMT
Now during the pandemic I looked across the street the other day towards the house with flats. The TV was on in 4-5 of the six appartments. Guess what? On all those TV screens I saw a violent tv game scene, shootings mostly but also one involving swords and cuts. There's an old saying: you become what you see and hear, what's around you, the environment. Boring perhaps. Boring that the human race can't think for themselves and not become slaves to what they experience. But that's the why it is. Spot on and when a lot of the kids want to be like the characters from “top boy” (and i can confirm they do) there’s a problem.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 13:48:47 GMT
Now during the pandemic I looked across the street the other day towards the house with flats. The TV was on in 4-5 of the six appartments. Guess what? On all those TV screens I saw a violent tv game scene, shootings mostly but also one involving swords and cuts. There's an old saying: you become what you see and hear, what's around you, the environment. Boring perhaps. Boring that the human race can't think for themselves and not become slaves to what they experience. But that's the why it is. Spot on and when a lot of the kids want to be like the characters from “top boy” (and i can confirm they do) there’s a problem. Oh no... Despite our many disagreements, I genuinely thought you were smarter than that. Video games do not encourage violence. That myth has been well and truly debunked. A taste for violence, like similar crimes that are associated it are 9/10 down to the crowd of people that you ultimately spend most of your time with. I remember a kid at my school who's father was a known heroin dealer in the area. Most kids at my school came from modest working class backgrounds with your usual working family dynamic, me included. He came from a background of gangs, violence and was surrounded by drugs from a young age. He once messaged me on Facebook, to say he'd seen me on TV.... from jail. It's no real surprise is it? Set up to fail ultimately. Most of the other kids who went down the wrong path at a young age, had a similar result in later life. They didn't go down that path because they were used to smashing prostitutes on GTA Vice City. They ultimately got in with a bad crowd. If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you will ultimately normalize anything. For kids like that, it was drugs, knives, joyriding cars etc.... for most of my friends? It was going to the football, getting drunk and usually ending up in a scrap in Hanley or Newcastle town centre. Looking back it on it as a 30 year old, I can see what fucking pricks we all were, but back then... we normalized it. Nothing to do with games. Nothing to do with TV at all.
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Post by felonious on Apr 28, 2021 14:16:05 GMT
Now during the pandemic I looked across the street the other day towards the house with flats. The TV was on in 4-5 of the six appartments. Guess what? On all those TV screens I saw a violent tv game scene, shootings mostly but also one involving swords and cuts. There's an old saying: you become what you see and hear, what's around you, the environment. Boring perhaps. Boring that the human race can't think for themselves and not become slaves to what they experience. But that's the why it is. Spot on and when a lot of the kids want to be like the characters from “top boy” (and i can confirm they do) there’s a problem. I'm afraid Cobham that on this rare occasion Metalhead is right
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 15:39:34 GMT
Spot on and when a lot of the kids want to be like the characters from “top boy” (and i can confirm they do) there’s a problem. Oh no... Despite our many disagreements, I genuinely thought you were smarter than that. Video games do not encourage violence. That myth has been well and truly debunked. A taste for violence, like similar crimes that are associated it are 9/10 down to the crowd of people that you ultimately spend most of your time with. I remember a kid at my school who's father was a known heroin dealer in the area. Most kids at my school came from modest working class backgrounds with your usual working family dynamic, me included. He came from a background of gangs, violence and was surrounded by drugs from a young age. He once messaged me on Facebook, to say he'd seen me on TV.... from jail. It's no real surprise is it? Set up to fail ultimately. Most of the other kids who went down the wrong path at a young age, had a similar result in later life. They didn't go down that path because they were used to smashing prostitutes on GTA Vice City. They ultimately got in with a bad crowd. If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you will ultimately normalize anything. For kids like that, it was drugs, knives, joyriding cars etc.... for most of my friends? It was going to the football, getting drunk and usually ending up in a scrap in Hanley or Newcastle town centre. Looking back it on it as a 30 year old, I can see what fucking pricks we all were, but back then... we normalized it. Nothing to do with games. Nothing to do with TV at all. Apologies i didn’t explain myself too well. Topboy is a drama not a video game. I work with a lot of young people and i can honestly say it plays a part. It’s not the soul reason but people do see the lifestyle glamourised on TV and when they see the trapping of being a dealer or belonging to a gang the wrong sort of programmes and films they do influence them. Even watching the news can impact on what young people think is normal. Other influences home life mates the need for money and wanting something someone else has. power being looked up to by peers the feel of belonging excitement not having anything any better to do
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 17:30:05 GMT
Oh no... Despite our many disagreements, I genuinely thought you were smarter than that. Video games do not encourage violence. That myth has been well and truly debunked. A taste for violence, like similar crimes that are associated it are 9/10 down to the crowd of people that you ultimately spend most of your time with. I remember a kid at my school who's father was a known heroin dealer in the area. Most kids at my school came from modest working class backgrounds with your usual working family dynamic, me included. He came from a background of gangs, violence and was surrounded by drugs from a young age. He once messaged me on Facebook, to say he'd seen me on TV.... from jail. It's no real surprise is it? Set up to fail ultimately. Most of the other kids who went down the wrong path at a young age, had a similar result in later life. They didn't go down that path because they were used to smashing prostitutes on GTA Vice City. They ultimately got in with a bad crowd. If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you will ultimately normalize anything. For kids like that, it was drugs, knives, joyriding cars etc.... for most of my friends? It was going to the football, getting drunk and usually ending up in a scrap in Hanley or Newcastle town centre. Looking back it on it as a 30 year old, I can see what fucking pricks we all were, but back then... we normalized it. Nothing to do with games. Nothing to do with TV at all. Apologies i didn’t explain myself too well. Topboy is a drama not a video game. I work with a lot of young people and i can honestly say it plays a part. It’s not the soul reason but people do see the lifestyle glamourised on TV and when they see the trapping of being a dealer or belonging to a gang the wrong sort of programmes and films they do influence them. Even watching the news can impact on what young people think is normal. Other influences home life mates the need for money and wanting something someone else has. power being looked up to by peers the feel of belonging excitement not having anything any better to do Keith Richards also glamorized 'rock n roll' but I haven't snorted my dads ashes yet or taken enough drugs to cause my face to practically sag. We're making excuses. Weak sentences. Poor education. Bad friends and associates.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2021 18:26:33 GMT
Apologies i didn’t explain myself too well. Topboy is a drama not a video game. I work with a lot of young people and i can honestly say it plays a part. It’s not the soul reason but people do see the lifestyle glamourised on TV and when they see the trapping of being a dealer or belonging to a gang the wrong sort of programmes and films they do influence them. Even watching the news can impact on what young people think is normal. Other influences home life mates the need for money and wanting something someone else has. power being looked up to by peers the feel of belonging excitement not having anything any better to do Keith Richards also glamorized 'rock n roll' but I haven't snorted my dads ashes yet or taken enough drugs to cause my face to practically sag. We're making excuses. Weak sentences. Poor education. Bad friends and associates. If you don’t think kids are influenced by what they see on TV and social media you need your metal head looking at! It couldn’t be clearer.
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Apr 28, 2021 18:44:38 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 18:44:38 GMT
Apologies i didn’t explain myself too well. Topboy is a drama not a video game. I work with a lot of young people and i can honestly say it plays a part. It’s not the soul reason but people do see the lifestyle glamourised on TV and when they see the trapping of being a dealer or belonging to a gang the wrong sort of programmes and films they do influence them. Even watching the news can impact on what young people think is normal. Other influences home life mates the need for money and wanting something someone else has. power being looked up to by peers the feel of belonging excitement not having anything any better to do Keith Richards also glamorized 'rock n roll' but I haven't snorted my dads ashes yet or taken enough drugs to cause my face to practically sag. We're making excuses. Weak sentences. Poor education. Bad friends and associates. but how do the bad friends become bad in the first place.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 28, 2021 18:50:30 GMT
Keith Richards also glamorized 'rock n roll' but I haven't snorted my dads ashes yet or taken enough drugs to cause my face to practically sag. We're making excuses. Weak sentences. Poor education. Bad friends and associates. If you don’t think kids are influenced by what they see on TV and social media you need your metal head looking at! It couldn’t be clearer. A good example of this are these ‘drill rap’ videos with these youths waving machetes and guns about......pretending to be ‘hard’ Fuckin clowns the lot of em
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Apr 28, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
If you don’t think kids are influenced by what they see on TV and social media you need your metal head looking at! It couldn’t be clearer. A good example of this are these ‘drill rap’ videos with these youths waving machetes and guns about......pretending to be ‘hard’ Fuckin clowns the lot of em and believe me incredibly these characters are looked up to as role models as some of them make a lot of money off the back of these songs. Killing each other and threatening each other over songs.
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Apr 28, 2021 19:16:14 GMT
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Post by musik on Apr 28, 2021 19:16:14 GMT
Clarification: I didn't say movie violence or game violence affect all people seeing it to a large degree in the long run. 99.something % seem to be more or less totally unaffected. I know that.
But some do this all the time and some get a trigger from it. Of course the genomes play a vital part here, but the genomes are not static. They are dynamic in fact, and can be altered by environmental factors and life experience. This happens all the time and every day in fact.
A researcher says for instance angry films makes people angry. I'm not surprised. We're no robots. Everything around us shapes us.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 19:34:58 GMT
Keith Richards also glamorized 'rock n roll' but I haven't snorted my dads ashes yet or taken enough drugs to cause my face to practically sag. We're making excuses. Weak sentences. Poor education. Bad friends and associates. but how do the bad friends become bad in the first place. They get indoctrinated by parents, cousins, other friends etc. This stuff is cyclical. It doesn't just stop when you starting banning rap videos. Don't get me wrong. I think this gangsta rap nonsense is just as shite as the next person, but it doesn't mean you're going to stop all violence by banning it. You're being silly.
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Apr 28, 2021 19:44:29 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2021 19:44:29 GMT
but how do the bad friends become bad in the first place. They get indoctrinated by parents, cousins, other friends etc. This stuff is cyclical. It doesn't just stop when you starting banning rap videos. Don't get me wrong. I think this gangsta rap nonsense is just as shite as the next person, but it doesn't mean you're going to stop all violence by banning it. You're being silly. Who said it would stop all violence? It would have a huge effect, that’s what he’s saying I think. And I would agree.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 19:49:31 GMT
They get indoctrinated by parents, cousins, other friends etc. This stuff is cyclical. It doesn't just stop when you starting banning rap videos. Don't get me wrong. I think this gangsta rap nonsense is just as shite as the next person, but it doesn't mean you're going to stop all violence by banning it. You're being silly. Who said it would stop all violence? It would have a huge effect, that’s what he’s saying I think. And I would agree. Ban gangsta rap and you'll force it underground. That's all. Prohibition rarely solves the problem. In the 80's, it was the Christians trying to ban heavy metal and it became more popular than ever. Keeping gangsta crap in the open actually provides a method of controlling it. They can limit airplay the like. Trust me, putting a blanket ban on stuff like this won't work and will do very little to solve the underlying problems.
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Apr 28, 2021 19:53:47 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2021 19:53:47 GMT
Who said it would stop all violence? It would have a huge effect, that’s what he’s saying I think. And I would agree. Ban gangsta rap and you'll force it underground. That's all. Prohibition rarely solves the problem. In the 80's, it was the Christians trying to ban heavy metal and it became more popular than ever. Keeping gangsta crap in the open actually provides a method of controlling it. They can limit airplay the like. Trust me, putting a blanket ban on stuff like this won't work and will do very little to solve the underlying problems. I really don’t think anyone’s saying ban gangsta rap and all that bollocks, as you say it’s been around for years. The trouble lies mainly with social media and the shameless promotion of this shite into the mainstream along with gaming, drugs and violence style box set binge watching etc etc.....
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Apr 28, 2021 19:54:08 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 28, 2021 19:54:08 GMT
Who said it would stop all violence? It would have a huge effect, that’s what he’s saying I think. And I would agree. Ban gangsta rap and you'll force it underground. That's all. Prohibition rarely solves the problem. In the 80's, it was the Christians trying to ban heavy metal and it became more popular than ever. Keeping gangsta crap in the open actually provides a method of controlling it. They can limit airplay the like. Trust me, putting a blanket ban on stuff like this won't work and will do very little to solve the underlying problems. Laughing my fuckin bollocks off at it more like ! Worraloadarubbish
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 19:55:29 GMT
Ban gangsta rap and you'll force it underground. That's all. Prohibition rarely solves the problem. In the 80's, it was the Christians trying to ban heavy metal and it became more popular than ever. Keeping gangsta crap in the open actually provides a method of controlling it. They can limit airplay the like. Trust me, putting a blanket ban on stuff like this won't work and will do very little to solve the underlying problems. I really don’t think anyone’s saying ban gangsta rap and all that bollocks, as you say it’s been around for years. The trouble lies mainly with social media and the shameless promotion of this shite into the mainstream along with gaming, drugs and violence style box set binge watching etc etc..... They promote it, because it's popular. It's popularity = money. Not rocket science. Ban gangsta rap and you'll force it underground. That's all. Prohibition rarely solves the problem. In the 80's, it was the Christians trying to ban heavy metal and it became more popular than ever. Keeping gangsta crap in the open actually provides a method of controlling it. They can limit airplay the like. Trust me, putting a blanket ban on stuff like this won't work and will do very little to solve the underlying problems. Laughing my fuckin bollocks off at it more like ! Worraloadarubbish Oh, it's shit. We all know that. Garbage.
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Apr 28, 2021 20:05:07 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2021 20:05:07 GMT
I really don’t think anyone’s saying ban gangsta rap and all that bollocks, as you say it’s been around for years. The trouble lies mainly with social media and the shameless promotion of this shite into the mainstream along with gaming, drugs and violence style box set binge watching etc etc..... They promote it, because it's popular. It's popularity = money. Not rocket science. Laughing my fuckin bollocks off at it more like ! Worraloadarubbish Oh, it's shit. We all know that. Garbage. “It’s not rocket science”. I’m not denying it’s popular or why it’s popular, it being popular is the problem. I don’t understand your point? I’m saying kids are influenced by social media and television, it’s as simple as that. It’s not rocket science.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2021 20:11:28 GMT
They promote it, because it's popular. It's popularity = money. Not rocket science. Oh, it's shit. We all know that. Garbage. “It’s not rocket science”. I’m not denying it’s popular or why it’s popular, it being popular is the problem. I don’t understand your point? I’m saying kids are influenced by social media and television, it’s as simple as that. It’s not rocket science. Then I'm not understanding yours either. You are saying that this gangsta rap shit shouldn't be promoted.... but promoting it makes the promoters money? It's like sweets. We all know they're bad for but it doesn't mean Nestle are going to stop shoving chocolate bars in our faces?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 28, 2021 20:14:42 GMT
Two kinds of people in the world, sound folk & dickheads. Sound folk can watch/play/drink/take/etc... any of the things dickheads do & still be sound. Dickheads will always be dickheads, they just get what they watch/play/drink/take/etc... used as an excuse for being dickheads.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 28, 2021 20:37:52 GMT
Two kinds of people in the world, sound folk & dickheads. Sound folk can watch/play/drink/take/etc... any of the things dickheads do & still be sound. Dickheads will always be dickheads, they just get what they watch/play/drink/take/etc... used as an excuse for being dickheads. Bueatifully summed up....
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Apr 28, 2021 20:42:28 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 20:42:28 GMT
but how do the bad friends become bad in the first place. They get indoctrinated by parents, cousins, other friends etc. This stuff is cyclical. It doesn't just stop when you starting banning rap videos. Don't get me wrong. I think this gangsta rap nonsense is just as shite as the next person, but it doesn't mean you're going to stop all violence by banning it. You're being silly. i never said ban it as that just takes it underground and like drugs gives it more edge. What I am saying though is it has a really negative impact on young kids and does impact on them. Of course the people that lead that lifestyle couldn’t give a toss about the impact they’re having.
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Apr 28, 2021 20:43:14 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 28, 2021 20:43:14 GMT
Two kinds of people in the world, sound folk & dickheads. Sound folk can watch/play/drink/take/etc... any of the things dickheads do & still be sound. Dickheads will always be dickheads, they just get what they watch/play/drink/take/etc... used as an excuse for being dickheads. Terrific summary that.
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Apr 29, 2021 20:54:07 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2021 20:54:07 GMT
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Apr 29, 2021 21:00:23 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Apr 29, 2021 21:00:23 GMT
Unacceptable behaviour and an embarrassingly short sentence. Very surprising considering the victim was a police officer.
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Apr 29, 2021 21:06:46 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2021 21:06:46 GMT
Unacceptable behaviour and an embarrassingly short sentence. Very surprising considering the victim was a police officer. Not anymore it’s a regular occurrence that assaults on police get next to nothing in respect to sentences
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