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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 27, 2020 9:40:45 GMT
Prepare for the "how convenient - he was mentally ill" posts...
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2020 9:45:58 GMT
Prepare for the "how convenient - he was mentally ill" posts... "how convenient - he was mentally ill" seems a lot of these "asylum seekers" are mentally ill perhaps we should stop granting them asylum might just stop innocent people getting butchered on our streets.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 27, 2020 9:52:12 GMT
Right on cue, like a puppet on a string.... Although, given the numbers involved, you're vastly more likely to attacked by someone who isn't an asylum seeker, but to be fair to you I'd support any moves which identify anyone mentally ill and a potential risk to the public, like that Jonty Bravery bloke and the poor French kid.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2020 9:56:24 GMT
Right on cue, like a puppet on a string....
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Post by Gods on Jun 27, 2020 10:09:25 GMT
I need to learn more about how the asylum process works.
Intuitively it is something like this. Bloke turns up on these shores either in the back of a lorry or maybe just steps right off an aeroplane at Heathrow. He has no documentation so can't work or claim benefits. I then presume he is put in the loving hands of a charity who advise him to apply for asylum and help him with the paperwork. Get this done and he should have an NI number, he can work, claim benefits, ship over the immediate family, whatever really...happy days.
I don't suppose in practice anyone ever gets turned away so in the end the application gets processed but the thing is that it all takes a time.
Meantime we have a debt of duty to provide accommodation and money enough to keep these folks alive and well while the wheels turn on the application.
First is the above anything like correct?
And of course asylum seekers are simply people like anyone else, so there are good ones and bad ones and in between ones and an occasional total nutjob, like this Sudanese fella by the sound of it.
Then the part I really don't understand, the link with Covid19. So these folks were happily housed in apartments and homes around Glasgow but why on the outbreak of coronavirus were they taken out of the houses and placed in Hotel's? I don't see why that was necessary, it would presumably be far more expensive and in what way would it help?
The whole thing is a mystery to me, need to find more.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 27, 2020 10:28:00 GMT
I need to learn more about how the asylum process works. Intuitively it is something like this. Bloke turns up on these shores either in the back of a lorry or maybe just steps right off an aeroplane at Heathrow. He has no documentation so can't work or claim benefits. I then presume he is put in the loving hands of a charity who advise him to apply for asylum and help him with the paperwork. Get this done and he should have an NI number, he can work, claim benefits, ship over the immediate family, whatever really...happy days. I don't suppose in practice anyone ever gets turned away so in the end the application gets processed but the thing is that it all takes a time. Meantime we have a debt of duty to provide accommodation and money enough to keep these folks alive and well while the wheels turn on the application. First is the above anything like correct? And of course asylum seekers are simply people like anyone else, so there are good ones and bad ones and in between ones and an occasional total nutjob, like this Sudanese fella by the sound of it. Then the part I really don't understand, the link with Covid19. So these folks were happily housed in apartments and homes around Glasgow but why on the outbreak of coronavirus were they taken out of the houses and placed in Hotel's? I don't see why that was necessary, it would presumably be far more expensive and in what way would it help? The whole thing is a mystery to me, need to find more. Well done on being prepared to take the time to find out If you can be arsed, I'd be interested to know what you discover about the process.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:36:32 GMT
I need to learn more about how the asylum process works. Intuitively it is something like this. Bloke turns up on these shores either in the back of a lorry or maybe just steps right off an aeroplane at Heathrow. He has no documentation so can't work or claim benefits. I then presume he is put in the loving hands of a charity who advise him to apply for asylum and help him with the paperwork. Get this done and he should have an NI number, he can work, claim benefits, ship over the immediate family, whatever really...happy days. I don't suppose in practice anyone ever gets turned away so in the end the application gets processed but the thing is that it all takes a time. Meantime we have a debt of duty to provide accommodation and money enough to keep these folks alive and well while the wheels turn on the application. First is the above anything like correct? And of course asylum seekers are simply people like anyone else, so there are good ones and bad ones and in between ones and an occasional total nutjob, like this Sudanese fella by the sound of it. Then the part I really don't understand, the link with Covid19. So these folks were happily housed in apartments and homes around Glasgow but why on the outbreak of coronavirus were they taken out of the houses and placed in Hotel's? I don't see why that was necessary, it would presumably be far more expensive and in what way would it help? The whole thing is a mystery to me, need to find more. The attached certainly adds some facts and clarity to the debate, although not the challenges faced in this country and many others as the numbers get higher. Facts about asylumMy take as always is this though, the starting point needs to be a foreign policy that doesn't indiscriminately bomb the shit out of a country, whilst preaching about the values of Western democracy and then acting surprised when displaced refugees try and seek asylum on our shores......
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2020 10:36:55 GMT
I need to learn more about how the asylum process works. Intuitively it is something like this. Bloke turns up on these shores either in the back of a lorry or maybe just steps right off an aeroplane at Heathrow. He has no documentation so can't work or claim benefits. I then presume he is put in the loving hands of a charity who advise him to apply for asylum and help him with the paperwork. Get this done and he should have an NI number, he can work, claim benefits, ship over the immediate family, whatever really...happy days. I don't suppose in practice anyone ever gets turned away so in the end the application gets processed but the thing is that it all takes a time. Meantime we have a debt of duty to provide accommodation and money enough to keep these folks alive and well while the wheels turn on the application. First is the above anything like correct? And of course asylum seekers are simply people like anyone else, so there are good ones and bad ones and in between ones and an occasional total nutjob, like this Sudanese fella by the sound of it. Then the part I really don't understand, the link with Covid19. So these folks were happily housed in apartments and homes around Glasgow but why on the outbreak of coronavirus were they taken out of the houses and placed in Hotel's? I don't see why that was necessary, it would presumably be far more expensive and in what way would it help? The whole thing is a mystery to me, need to find more. Well done on being prepared to take the time to find out If you can be arsed, I'd be interested to know what you discover about the process. oh dear.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 27, 2020 16:03:17 GMT
From the Mirror
The knifeman shot dead by police in Glasgow has been named as a Sudanese national called Badradeen.
The asylum seeker, in his 20s, reportedly spoke to his friend on Thursday night, hours before the bloodbath which shocked the city, and warned of his stabbing spree plans.
Siraj told ITV and the Daily Mail: “He said ‘I will attack’ so everyone should take it seriously.
"He said to me. I told him ‘no, there’s no need to attack’ and he said ‘they hate me, I hate them, they are against me’."
Anyone still think this should not be called a Racist attack ?
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Glasgow
Jun 27, 2020 16:08:38 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 27, 2020 16:08:38 GMT
It's apparently racism.
And today a nutter came on the tram and shouted "nazists, racists, we will kill all and whore" loudly to the rather few passengers.
He stopped completely in front of me on his way back but continued to walk then.
After two stops he talked with a normal voice and asked girl after girl for direction.
Schizo racist
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 28, 2020 8:34:34 GMT
From the Mirror
The knifeman shot dead by police in Glasgow has been named as a Sudanese national called Badradeen.
The asylum seeker, in his 20s, reportedly spoke to his friend on Thursday night, hours before the bloodbath which shocked the city, and warned of his stabbing spree plans.
Siraj told ITV and the Daily Mail: “He said ‘I will attack’ so everyone should take it seriously.
"He said to me. I told him ‘no, there’s no need to attack’ and he said ‘they hate me, I hate them, they are against me’."
Anyone still think this should not be called a Racist attack ?
Apparently so, given the complete absence of posters weighing in to agree with you...
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