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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:06:42 GMT
Going around calling people Marxists and antisemites with no evidence does nothing other than make you look a little unhinged. I don't know what "the middle class woke teenage taliban" means, but congratulations on using the word woke in your 100th consecutive post...... No problemo. It must be pretty tough for you to watch your party cleanse itself from the far left and the left for that matter. It's not my party, I've never been a member. I have my views, other than that I just carry on living my life normally without really being effected. It's a shame some of the poor bastards that are marginalised in society can't say the same but I have one vote and can only do my bit......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:08:39 GMT
She's an active campaigner for justice in Palestine, she clearly has no time for the Israeli regime. Rightly or wrongly she believes that tactics employed by the Israeli special forces were being taught to US Police Forces. IF she was wrong, she should withdraw. But I'm still waiting to see where the antisemitism is? The anti-semitism is in picking specifically on one country when more are in the mix. It’s like when folk talk about public disorder but only ever mention incidents involving black people. So anti-Israel not antisemitism? If I criticise the Saudi genocide in Yemen am I Islamophobic?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2020 10:16:49 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak. I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader. The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off. he's following what Bliar did in cleansing the Party of the commie brigade, mongmentum next then he must loosen the Union stranglehold, Sir Keir is attempting to make his rabble electable he's a Tory in a red tie
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 10:16:54 GMT
The anti-semitism is in picking specifically on one country when more are in the mix. It’s like when folk talk about public disorder but only ever mention incidents involving black people. So anti-Israel not antisemitism? If I criticise the Saudi genocide in Yemen am I Islamophobic? That's the fudemental problem we have allowed a small percentage of ultra zionists to set the borders on anti semitism Being anti zionist is not anti semitic
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2020 10:19:48 GMT
Going around calling people Marxists and antisemites with no evidence does nothing other than make you look a little unhinged. I don't know what "the middle class woke teenage taliban" means, but congratulations on using the word woke in your 100th consecutive post...... No problemo. It must be pretty tough for you to watch your party cleanse itself from the far left and the left for that matter. It's long overdue that the Labour Party "woke" up to reality, the majority of their own grass roots voters have rejected the far left loony element.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 26, 2020 10:20:33 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak. I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader. The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off. he's following what Bliar did in cleansing the Party of the commie brigade, mongmentum next then he must loosen the Union stranglehold, Sir Keir is attempting to make his rabble electable he's a Tory in a red tie Absolutely mate.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 10:20:47 GMT
The anti-semitism is in picking specifically on one country when more are in the mix. It’s like when folk talk about public disorder but only ever mention incidents involving black people. So anti-Israel not antisemitism? If I criticise the Saudi genocide in Yemen am I Islamophobic? If you constantly criticise one group to the exclusion of others including making tenuous and selective accusations, don’t be surprised if you are accused of expressing prejudice. (Note - I’m not using you in the singular form here directed at you, but the impersonal plural form).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2020 10:21:54 GMT
And they are the only nation that does that? China? Don’t see many lefties who slam Israel in the same way they have a pop at Israel. You can't criticise Israel That sentence could have ended right there!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:24:30 GMT
So anti-Israel not antisemitism? If I criticise the Saudi genocide in Yemen am I Islamophobic? That's the fudemental problem we have allowed a small percentage of ultra zionists to set the borders on anti semitism Being anti zionist is not anti semitic Not every Zionist is Jewish and not every Jew is a Zionist. I really fail to see how people can't grasp this. There are more Christian Zionists across the globe than there are Jews in Israel......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:32:05 GMT
So anti-Israel not antisemitism? If I criticise the Saudi genocide in Yemen am I Islamophobic? If you constantly criticise one group to the exclusion of others including making tenuous and selective accusations, don’t be surprised if you are accused of expressing prejudice. (Note - I’m not using you in the singular form here directed at you, but the impersonal plural form). You have to distinguish between one group (Jews) and one nation (Israel) though. You absolutely have to. There are tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews in Britain who have as much of an allegiance to Israel as they do Honduras or Papa New Guinea. In Maxine Peake's case she is a high profile Palestinian activist so I imagine her views on the state of Israel will be fairly obvious, some may be misguided absolutely. But being misinformed and being antisemitic aren't the same thing.....
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 26, 2020 16:17:34 GMT
Allowing an organisation that is "neutral" on annexation and loathed by a good percentage of British Jewry to dictate anti semitism policy was always going to lead Labour down this rabbit hole. There are currently brave young Israelis protesting annexation and they need allies. It is these people a left leaning party should be supporting. It is that much harder for young Israelis to stand up against their ultra right wing government because of groups like the BOD and the lily livered approach of left leaning parties around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 16:48:51 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public Maybe. Although I did regularly read that once Corbyn went Labour would be 20 points ahead in the polls.....
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 26, 2020 18:41:32 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public Maybe. Although I did regularly read that once Corbyn went Labour would be 20 points ahead in the polls..... It will take Labour a while to repair the damage to thier reputation JC did. Be interesting to see those numbers if there’s an enquiry in the Tory governments covid response
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 20:06:46 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 26, 2020 20:15:50 GMT
Is that it now then, it just doesn't happen, despite it actually happening and city Mayors admitting it happens? What she said is not anti-Semitic and that's simply that. Hopefully this bites Starmer on his pathetic arse. atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/view-reed-says-no/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 20:25:10 GMT
Is that it now then, it just doesn't happen, despite it actually happening and city Mayors admitting it happens? What she said is not anti-Semitic and that's simply that. Hopefully this bites Starmer on his pathetic arse. atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/view-reed-says-no/ Appeasement doesn’t work with these people, bit still they keep trying.....
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2020 21:44:40 GMT
I think she should just stick to being the chubby one out of Dinnerladies. What's next on the agenda, the dark haired one from Rita, Sue and Bob Too with her musings on Catalan independence?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 8:32:50 GMT
I find it interesting that 30 years ago there was still programmes such as Spitting Image doing satirical comedy about Israel.
Let’s be blunt, if anyone liked that clip on Twitter in the current climate they would out and out be accused of antisemitism. That’s how it works these days, so what’s changed?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 27, 2020 9:12:00 GMT
I don't know but at the same time stuff liked this also stopped being newsworthy
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 27, 2020 9:47:00 GMT
That’s fine. It’s just strange that she felt the need to even bring up Israel though. Just criticise the US police for that particular practice, why would it matter where they learned it?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 27, 2020 17:12:49 GMT
Just a guess being as she has not been thrown out of the Labour party. I might be wrong but if there is no place for her comments does that only apply to the shadow cabinet or the Labour party 🤷♂️ Well this fact shows up Starmer for what he is. IF she was being anti-Semitic he should have suspended the whip if he wanted to play Mr Big Balls. The fact is she wasn't anti-Semitic in the slightest and this was a Political action which completely diminishes genuine anti-racism campaigning. Makes me laugh all this. I agree she shouldn't lose her position for what she did. But the left of the political divide have fuelled this craze for finding offence in anything and everything and now they will start falling on their swords. She's fallen victim to what she and her like have created. I therefore have no sympathy for her. There is an obvious civil war coming to a head in the labour party and Starmer is sorting out by bringing the party back from the clutches of the loony far left. It will take a long time though because the loony far left fight real real dirty. Basically the party has begun the process of cannibalisation. My only sadness is that it leaves the current fools in charge at number 10 with free reign to fuck everything up more or less unopposed. And they seem to be doing wonderfully at that. I'll carry on not voting. Useless the lot of them. Edit Apologies Admin if my language was offensive. I lose track in the modern world of what is and isn't I changed it to fools.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:30:00 GMT
Reed should of course be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet immediately for the alleged trope
Now he may have not even know that Richard Desmond was Jewish (I certainly didn't), but that's what happens when you tackle real issues with gestures. Actual antisemitism festers and even grows whilst the side show rumbles on........
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 6, 2020 12:31:40 GMT
Reed should of course be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet immediately for the alleged trope Now he may have not even know that Richard Desmond was Jewish (I certainly didn't), but that's what happens when you tackle real issues with gestures. Actual antisemitism festers and even grows whilst the side show rumbles on........ Should he sack him yes Was it anti semitic no more than Bailey but the daft twat has set a dangerous precedent He wanted rid of Bailey all he had to do is wait for the inevitable fuck up or after a year a reshuffle You can bet you're life on the fact that every tweet Facebook email etc from any of his cabinet will be watched very carefully and not just by the right wing press
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:44:00 GMT
Reed should of course be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet immediately for the alleged trope Now he may have not even know that Richard Desmond was Jewish (I certainly didn't), but that's what happens when you tackle real issues with gestures. Actual antisemitism festers and even grows whilst the side show rumbles on........ Should he sack him yes Was it anti semitic no more than Bailey but the daft twat has set a dangerous precedent He wanted rid of Bailey all he had to do is wait for the inevitable fuck up or after a year a reshuffle You can bet you're life on the fact that every tweet Facebook email etc from any of his cabinet will be watched very carefully and not just by the right wing press He's put himself in a situation now where it's zero tolerance on anything with even a faint glimmer of "anti-semitism" or he'll be called out on it and rightly so. That's what posturing to the BOD instead of tackling actual antisemitism in the party does though......
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 6, 2020 12:44:34 GMT
Reed should of course be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet immediately for the alleged trope Now he may have not even know that Richard Desmond was Jewish (I certainly didn't), but that's what happens when you tackle real issues with gestures. Actual antisemitism festers and even grows whilst the side show rumbles on........ He's set an incredible precedent and one I think he will find hard to keep on top of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:45:56 GMT
Reed should of course be sacked from the Shadow Cabinet immediately for the alleged trope Now he may have not even know that Richard Desmond was Jewish (I certainly didn't), but that's what happens when you tackle real issues with gestures. Actual antisemitism festers and even grows whilst the side show rumbles on........ He's set an incredible precedent and one I think he will find hard to keep on top of. If the media are consistent (laughs as types) they will be all over him like a rash. But they quite like him at the moment so they won't be......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:56:09 GMT
I'm shocked. Truly shocked.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 6, 2020 13:01:05 GMT
I'm shocked. Truly shocked..... Well well who would of thought it Starmers toadies get a get out of jail free card
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 6, 2020 13:01:50 GMT
I'm shocked. Truly shocked..... Unbelievable. Laughable even.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 6, 2020 13:29:07 GMT
I'm shocked. Truly shocked..... The reason RLB was sacked wasn’t that she retweeted something but that, according to leadership sources, “she repeatedly refused to remove her retweet of Maxine Peake's article when asked to do so“ (leastways according to the BBC). This fella both apologised and withdrew. Seems very consistent to me.
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