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Post by felonious on Jun 25, 2020 21:46:10 GMT
Anyone hazard a guess how many people on this thread who have, or who have friends, who have suffered real anti-Semitism? I'm buying unders! I have friends who've suffered from anti-Semitism. It's rife and these friends are die hard Labour voters from the Corbynite side of the Labour party.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 25, 2020 21:59:03 GMT
Anyone hazard a guess how many people on this thread who have, or who have friends, who have suffered real anti-Semitism? I'm buying unders! I have friends who've suffered from anti-Semitism. It's rife and these friends are die hard Labour voters from the Corbynite side of the Labour party.
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 22:41:37 GMT
Oh dear. He’s upset the Corbynistas. He needs to hold firm on this
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Post by salopstick on Jun 25, 2020 22:57:42 GMT
Oh dear. He’s upset the Corbynistas. He needs to hold firm on this She ain’t getting reinstated. For the rights and wrongs it would undermine Starmer. He was naive to giver her a job in the first place. She new exactly what she was doing
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Post by salopstick on Jun 25, 2020 22:58:26 GMT
And this story is probably the best but of press boris has had for a few weeks
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Post by datguy on Jun 25, 2020 23:20:01 GMT
And this story is probably the best but of press boris has had for a few weeks Really? Starmer’s shown he’s ruthless and Johnson’s still got Jenrick in a job.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 25, 2020 23:46:09 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 26, 2020 6:41:35 GMT
Ive Just started doing that as it goes.... Well intense and achting like a bastard but really enjoyable I've fancied it for ages but I'm right lazy! Thats what motivated me mate....I thought "sod it - lets do it". Ive only done 3 lessons tbh - the last being Tuesday just gone, when some snotty 14 year old nearly tore my arm out of its socket. Im just learning the absolute basics of blocking at the moment. My theory of 'leggin it' wasnt taken on board by the instructor THeres all sorts of people in the class, from highly athletic, but slightly rotund 50 somethings ( ) to young boys and girls, all going at each other. Some of the kids are actually very good. This is wehere I go: www.kravmagaalmere.nl/over-krav-maga-almere/team/Get out there and try it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 26, 2020 6:50:33 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public I agree. The contrast between this action and Jenrick and Cummings still being in post is stark.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 7:17:22 GMT
It seems... Any criticism of Israel sees you labelled as an anti-Semite and Any criticism of Black Lives Matter sees you labelled as racist. And in fairness it wasn’t even particularly a criticism of Israel on this occasion more a statement of documented fact..... Maybe not as factual as you may have thought... Does Israel train America’s police forces?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 7:26:27 GMT
And in fairness it wasn’t even particularly a criticism of Israel on this occasion more a statement of documented fact..... Maybe not as factual as you may have thought... Does Israel train America’s police forces?So long Baily's retweet was factually incorrect So Starmer sacked a shadow minster for being factually incorrect now thats a first I shall watch carefully to make sure he's even handed Because that still doesn't alter the fact Baily's post was not anti semitic
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 26, 2020 8:15:33 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public I agree. The contrast between this action and Jenrick and Cummings still being in post is stark. Exactly, if you leave RLB in place you allow those in the right wing media to link Starmer to anti-Semitism and creates a link with corbyn, in the mind of many centrist voters who Starmer needs to win
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:15:43 GMT
And in fairness it wasn’t even particularly a criticism of Israel on this occasion more a statement of documented fact..... Maybe not as factual as you may have thought... Does Israel train America’s police forces?There are many articles that say otherwise, some from Israeli press sources. The specific act of kneeling on someone’s neck as a tactic taught to the Minnesota police department of course there is no hard evidence of that, but that would make what Maxine Peake said a mistake, not antisemitic....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:17:18 GMT
While I don’t agree with the decision. This is exactly the sort of thing that could’ve bit him on the arse in the polls if he didn’t do something. While this wil upset those on the labour left it will pay well with the wider public I agree. The contrast between this action and Jenrick and Cummings still being in post is stark. They’ve arguably done something to warrant being sacked though, that’s the difference.....
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 8:22:00 GMT
There are many articles that say otherwise, some from Israeli press sources....... This comment I thought was important It begs the question why did Maxine Peake specifically pick out Israel for comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:40:07 GMT
There are many articles that say otherwise, some from Israeli press sources....... This comment I thought was important It begs the question why did Maxine Peake specifically pick out Israel for comment. Im not sure you’d have to ask her? But if you’re suggesting she did it as part of some kind of antisemitic trope, be careful as conflating Israel and Judaism contravenes the IHRC definition of antisemitism.......
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 8:59:28 GMT
This comment I thought was important It begs the question why did Maxine Peake specifically pick out Israel for comment. Im not sure you’d have to ask her? But if you’re suggesting she did it as part of some kind of antisemitic trope, be careful as conflating Israel and Judaism contravenes the IHRC definition of antisemitism....... Trope is exactly the word that came to mind when I read this. Which is why there is a stink of anti-semitism around this piece. Why single out Israel and not say other countries? The answer is clear, she is looking to make a specific point about Israel.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 9:07:09 GMT
There are many articles that say otherwise, some from Israeli press sources....... This comment I thought was important It begs the question why did Maxine Peake specifically pick out Israel for comment. Because they constantly break international law Steal peoples land Persecute there own citizens for there religious beliefs
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 9:17:38 GMT
This comment I thought was important It begs the question why did Maxine Peake specifically pick out Israel for comment. Because they constantly break international law Steal peoples land Persecute there own citizens for there religious beliefs And they are the only nation that does that? China? Don’t see many lefties who slam Israel in the same way they have a pop at Israel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 9:29:19 GMT
Because they constantly break international law Steal peoples land Persecute there own citizens for there religious beliefs And they are the only nation that does that? China? Don’t see many lefties who slam Israel in the same way they have a pop at Israel. You can't criticise Israel because of China, that old chestnut......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 9:33:44 GMT
Im not sure you’d have to ask her? But if you’re suggesting she did it as part of some kind of antisemitic trope, be careful as conflating Israel and Judaism contravenes the IHRC definition of antisemitism....... Trope is exactly the word that came to mind when I read this. Which is why there is a stink of anti-semitism around this piece. Why single out Israel and not say other countries? The answer is clear, she is looking to make a specific point about Israel. She's an active campaigner for justice in Palestine, she clearly has no time for the Israeli regime. Rightly or wrongly she believes that tactics employed by the Israeli special forces were being taught to US Police Forces. IF she was wrong, she should withdraw. But I'm still waiting to see where the antisemitism is?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 9:37:02 GMT
Because they constantly break international law Steal peoples land Persecute there own citizens for there religious beliefs And they are the only nation that does that? China? Don’t see many lefties who slam Israel in the same way they have a pop at Israel. Oh I'm quite happy to slam China And Israel But then I sit right of center
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 9:40:12 GMT
Trope is exactly the word that came to mind when I read this. Which is why there is a stink of anti-semitism around this piece. Why single out Israel and not say other countries? The answer is clear, she is looking to make a specific point about Israel. She's an active campaigner for justice in Palestine, she clearly has no time for the Israeli regime. Rightly or wrongly she believes that tactics employed by the Israeli special forces were being taught to US Police Forces. IF she was wrong, she should withdraw. But I'm still waiting to see where the antisemitism is? There isn't one it's just Starmer creating a faux outrage to suit his new funders Whilst cleansing decenting voices
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 26, 2020 9:50:12 GMT
She's an active campaigner for justice in Palestine, she clearly has no time for the Israeli regime. Rightly or wrongly she believes that tactics employed by the Israeli special forces were being taught to US Police Forces. IF she was wrong, she should withdraw. But I'm still waiting to see where the antisemitism is? There isn't one it's just Starmer creating a faux outrage to suit his new funders Whilst cleansing decenting voices That's how I see it, he said "stood down" not sacked plus he has not thrown her out of the labour party. It's a shit PR stunt that's gone wrong goodness knows who he was trying to impress because for me he's made himself look even more weak than he already is.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 26, 2020 9:56:16 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak.
I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader.
The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 9:56:48 GMT
And they are the only nation that does that? China? Don’t see many lefties who slam Israel in the same way they have a pop at Israel. Oh I'm quite happy to slam China And Israel But then I sit right of center I'm happy to slam both as well. I'm probably classed as a Marxist according to some on here. I'm also able to recognise the hypocrisy of our own government cosying up to the Saudis, selling them weapons and sitting back as they obliterate Yemen and kill innocent men, women and children. That would be the same Yemen by the way that was persecuting their small Jewish population, where the antisemite Jeremy Corbyn sponsored a motion in 2010 to try and get them resettled in the UK that fell on deaf ears in Parliament.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 10:00:31 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak. I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader. The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off. Going around calling people Marxists and antisemites with no evidence does nothing other than make you look a little unhinged. I don't know what "the middle class woke teenage taliban" means, but congratulations on using the word woke in your 100th consecutive post......
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 26, 2020 10:02:29 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak. I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader. The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off. Well I'll agree he's certainly more right wing than Boris
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 26, 2020 10:02:35 GMT
What's the issue here? She's a vile Marxist twat who has always held anti Jewish sentiment. Reminiscent of a patronising primary school teacher, but with a nasty streak. I'd never vote Labour government in but I must say Starmer is winning me over by the day. He's certainly more right wing than the current PM and feels like that long awaited middle ground leader. The middle class woke teenage taliban must be devestated. Fuck off. Going around calling people Marxists and antisemites with no evidence does nothing other than make you look a little unhinged. I don't know what "the middle class woke teenage taliban" means, but congratulations on using the word woke in your 100th consecutive post...... No problemo. It must be pretty tough for you to watch your party cleanse itself from the far left and the left for that matter.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2020 10:05:15 GMT
Trope is exactly the word that came to mind when I read this. Which is why there is a stink of anti-semitism around this piece. Why single out Israel and not say other countries? The answer is clear, she is looking to make a specific point about Israel. She's an active campaigner for justice in Palestine, she clearly has no time for the Israeli regime. Rightly or wrongly she believes that tactics employed by the Israeli special forces were being taught to US Police Forces. IF she was wrong, she should withdraw. But I'm still waiting to see where the antisemitism is? The anti-semitism is in picking specifically on one country when more are in the mix. It’s like when folk talk about public disorder but only ever mention incidents involving black people.
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