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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:46:20 GMT
I'm not asking you to reflect on anything, just responding to your comment about obsession with Brexit ( the obsession of politics for the past 5 years, not just mine)...totally relevant to the predicament that Labour and the Left have got themselves into now in terms of electability...as is the Long Bailey issue You brought Brexit onto a RLB thread fella, but then I suspect you’d shoehorn Brexit into a chat about the weather...... Aye and you've responded to it...do you wish it would go away...it won't
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:47:15 GMT
You brought Brexit onto a RLB thread fella, but then I suspect you’d shoehorn Brexit into a chat about the weather...... Aye and you've responded to it...do you wish it would go away...it won't I’ll survive either way John, I really will......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:49:53 GMT
Aye and you've responded to it...do you wish it would go away...it won't I’ll survive either way John, I really will...... And me...thats a good post Brexit attitude to have , when people don't get their own way....make the most of it. Let's see if Brexit comes up again in the next 9 months....perhaps you could resist from commenting on it if it does, as you think its no longer an issue. ....I wonder if Labour will do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:52:25 GMT
I’ll survive either way John, I really will...... And me...thats a good post Brexit attitude to have , when people don't get their own way....make the most of it. Let's see if Brexit comes up again in the next 9 months....perhaps you could resist from commenting on it if it does, as you think its no longer an issue. ....I wonder if Labour will do the same. It's why I've largely stayed off the Brexit thread John it's not really floating my boat, but to repeat you brought it onto a "Rebecca Long Baily Sacked" thread......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 19:52:31 GMT
And still they revel in Labours woes and comment nought on this disgusting, lying, corrupt, death causing Government.
Have their senses failed them?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:53:38 GMT
And me...thats a good post Brexit attitude to have , when people don't get their own way....make the most of it. Let's see if Brexit comes up again in the next 9 months....perhaps you could resist from commenting on it if it does, as you think its no longer an issue. ....I wonder if Labour will do the same. It's why I've largely stayed off the Brexit thread John it's not really floating my boat, but to repeat you brought it onto a "Rebecca Long Baily Sacked" thread...... I did, and you responded to it...very relevant to the ongoing Labour/ Left issue
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 19:56:34 GMT
Oooh look at you giving it the big one on the internet. Can you quote me specifically calling you antisemitic? It's an internet forum, we are all faceless on here are we not or are you really Steve Coogan? I’m not giving it the big one fella, I’m asking you to have the courage of your conviction and back up your claims or withdraw. It’s not difficult...... Withdraw what? Can you quote me "specifically calling you antisemitic" I suspect you may find that difficult. I won't ask you to retract your faceless coward statement as quite frankly I really don't care what you think.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 19:57:41 GMT
I’ve referred to the “black community” many times so I don’t know what you’re on about. Yep that “black community” with their one voice, and the “Jewish community” with their exact same views. That’s how it works...... Strange thing to pick out. They obviously don’t have the exact same views but it’s difficult to talk about such things without such generalisations. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:01:52 GMT
I’m not giving it the big one fella, I’m asking you to have the courage of your conviction and back up your claims or withdraw. It’s not difficult...... Withdraw what? Can you quote me "specifically calling you antisemitic" I suspect you may find that difficult. I won't ask you to retract your faceless coward statement as quite frankly I really don't care what you think. Either you or admin withdrew the post as I'm sure you well know, you know exactly what you typed. And the "you've never experienced a moments racism" comment? As I say, cowardice.......
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 20:01:53 GMT
And still they revel in Labours woes and comment nought on this disgusting, lying, corrupt, death causing Government. Have their senses failed them? It just gives a little happiness in a dark period, it's like laughing at Arsenal losing when you are bottom of the championship. You take things far too personaly.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 20:02:56 GMT
Anyone hazard a guess how many people on this thread who have, or who have friends, who have suffered real anti-Semitism? I'm buying unders!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 25, 2020 20:03:17 GMT
Really sad day when the main opposition Is so scared of its own shadow it curtails any debate on certain subjects
There wasn't one single piece of anti semitism in that tweet
If Starmer had real balls he'd turn round and say to long Bailey You're not where I want to take the party And I think your a electoral liability
In stead of hiding behind made up anti semitic Bullshit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:05:58 GMT
Yep that “black community” with their one voice, and the “Jewish community” with their exact same views. That’s how it works...... Strange think to pick out. They obviously don’t have the exact same views but it’s difficult to talk about such things without such generalisations. My bad. Not really. I can walk 50 yards in both directions on my street for example and speak to two different Jewish families, one that thinks they are being used as political footballs and that the anti-Semitism "crisis" was pure McCarthyism, and one who wouldn't piss on Jeremy Corbyn and his allies if they were on fire. And it's obviously the same in the "black community" as you yourself were quoting commentators with completely different views to some of the black people out protesting in America and across the world.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:06:54 GMT
Really sad day when the main opposition Is so scared of its own shadow it curtails any debate on certain subjects There wasn't one single piece of anti semitism in that tweet If Starmer had real balls he'd turn round and say to long Bailey You're not where I want to take the party And I think your a electoral liability In stead of hiding behind made up anti semitic Bullshit Completely agree, so why even appoint her in the first place?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 20:08:43 GMT
Really sad day when the main opposition Is so scared of its own shadow it curtails any debate on certain subjects There wasn't one single piece of anti semitism in that tweet If Starmer had real balls he'd turn round and say to long Bailey You're not where I want to take the party And I think your a electoral liability In stead of hiding behind made up anti semitic Bullshit Absolutely.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 25, 2020 20:11:52 GMT
Really sad day when the main opposition Is so scared of its own shadow it curtails any debate on certain subjects There wasn't one single piece of anti semitism in that tweet If Starmer had real balls he'd turn round and say to long Bailey You're not where I want to take the party And I think your a electoral liability In stead of hiding behind made up anti semitic Bullshit Completely agree, so why even appoint her in the first place? So he could get his own people on the executive Before the mask slipped
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 20:19:45 GMT
Strange think to pick out. They obviously don’t have the exact same views but it’s difficult to talk about such things without such generalisations. My bad. Not really. I can walk 50 yards in both directions on my street for example and speak to two different Jewish families, one that thinks they are being used as political footballs and that the anti-Semitism "crisis" was pure McCarthyism, and one who wouldn't piss on Jeremy Corbyn and his allies if they were on fire. And it's obviously the same in the "black community" as you yourself were quoting commentators with completely different views to some of the black people out protesting in America and across the world....... That’s a long winded way of confirming what I just said.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 20:22:18 GMT
Withdraw what? Can you quote me "specifically calling you antisemitic" I suspect you may find that difficult. I won't ask you to retract your faceless coward statement as quite frankly I really don't care what you think. Either you or admin withdrew the post as I'm sure you well know, you know exactly what you typed. And the "you've never experienced a moments racism" comment? As I say, cowardice....... Oh hang on here, you accuse me of stating something in text on this board but you can't find it and are now saying that I deleted it or maybe admin did so on my behalf? You are grasping at straws, asking me to to provide evidence for something that you can't even show that I said? Have you really experienced racism? My wife of going on for a quarter of a century is Black and our son is mixed race. I have experienced snide comments, mutterings and more sinister gestures as a family group (thankfully not for some years) but I have never experienced what my wife has experienced, things that on reflection can still bring her to tears decades afterwards. Having a spouse, best mate, cousin or inlaws etc does not qualify you to speak of the experience on their behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:25:06 GMT
Not really. I can walk 50 yards in both directions on my street for example and speak to two different Jewish families, one that thinks they are being used as political footballs and that the anti-Semitism "crisis" was pure McCarthyism, and one who wouldn't piss on Jeremy Corbyn and his allies if they were on fire. And it's obviously the same in the "black community" as you yourself were quoting commentators with completely different views to some of the black people out protesting in America and across the world....... That’s a long winded way of confirming what I just said. It's a way of saying using the phrase ".......community" is fairly meaningless......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:29:07 GMT
Either you or admin withdrew the post as I'm sure you well know, you know exactly what you typed. And the "you've never experienced a moments racism" comment? As I say, cowardice....... Oh hang on here, you accuse me of stating something in text on this board but you can't find it and are now saying that I deleted it or maybe admin did so on my behalf? You are grasping at straws, asking me to to provide evidence for something that you can't even show that I said? Have you really experienced racism? My wife of going on for a quarter of a century is Black and our son is mixed race. I have experienced snide comments, mutterings and more sinister gestures as a family group (thankfully not for some years) but I have never experienced what my wife has experienced, things that on reflection can still bring her to tears decades afterwards. Having a spouse, best mate, cousin or inlaws etc does not qualify you to speak of the experience on their behalf. You know what you typed. So did you delete it or did admin? If it was you then why if you've nothing to hide? And if it was admin they just deleted it for no reason did they? I and my cousins were regularly called "Pakis" when growing up. So to repeat yes I have, not sure how many times I need to type it......
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 20:29:56 GMT
That’s a long winded way of confirming what I just said. It's a way of saying using the phrase ".......community" is fairly meaningless...... Yeah .... I’ve acknowledged it already but carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:35:40 GMT
It's a way of saying using the phrase ".......community" is fairly meaningless...... Yeah .... I’ve acknowledged it already but carry on. No worries. Glad you've seen the error of your ways fella when lumping everyone together in one "community"
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 20:37:31 GMT
Oh hang on here, you accuse me of stating something in text on this board but you can't find it and are now saying that I deleted it or maybe admin did so on my behalf? You are grasping at straws, asking me to to provide evidence for something that you can't even show that I said? Have you really experienced racism? My wife of going on for a quarter of a century is Black and our son is mixed race. I have experienced snide comments, mutterings and more sinister gestures as a family group (thankfully not for some years) but I have never experienced what my wife has experienced, things that on reflection can still bring her to tears decades afterwards. Having a spouse, best mate, cousin or inlaws etc does not qualify you to speak of the experience on their behalf. You know what you typed. So did you delete it or did admin? If it was you then why if you've nothing to hide? And if it was admin they just deleted it for no reason did they? I and my cousins were regularly called "Pakis" when growing up. So to repeat yes I have, not sure how many times I need to type it...... I which case I withdraw my comment regarding experiencing racism and sincerely offer my apologies for adding insult to injury. Regarding the other matter I am afraid that you are quoting a sentence that simply wasn't typed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2020 20:44:15 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 20:45:08 GMT
Yeah .... I’ve acknowledged it already but carry on. No worries. Glad you've seen the error of your ways fella when lumping everyone together in one "community" Only an idiot would think everyone thinks the same, I’m surprised you took it so literally but thanks for your ‘help’.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:50:29 GMT
You know what you typed. So did you delete it or did admin? If it was you then why if you've nothing to hide? And if it was admin they just deleted it for no reason did they? I and my cousins were regularly called "Pakis" when growing up. So to repeat yes I have, not sure how many times I need to type it...... I which case I withdraw my comment regarding experiencing racism and sincerely offer my apologies for adding insult to injury. Regarding the other matter I am afraid that you are quoting a sentence that simply wasn't typed. Thank you. And I'm sorry your wife and child have had to suffer bigoted nonsense down the years as well. You said "when it comes to anti-Semitism I/we know what you are" (or something very similar) I'm happy to take whatever shit is thrown at me on here about my views, but as someone who coaches a football team of predominantly Jewish 12 year old boys, who regularly goes to the local synagogue round the corner to help with a homeless charity in Manchester, and as someone who spent all day with my two boys not so long ago scrubbing graffiti off vandalised gravestones at the local Jewish cemetery believe me when I say it would be difficult to insult me more than by accusing me of being anti-Semitic. I'll leave it there enjoy your evening......
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 25, 2020 20:53:41 GMT
A lot of military and policing unarmed combat moves come from Krav Maga which is definitely Israeli. Ive Just started doing that as it goes.... Well intense and achting like a bastard but really enjoyable I've fancied it for ages but I'm right lazy!
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 21:00:23 GMT
I which case I withdraw my comment regarding experiencing racism and sincerely offer my apologies for adding insult to injury. Regarding the other matter I am afraid that you are quoting a sentence that simply wasn't typed. Thank you. And I'm sorry your wife and child have had to suffer bigoted nonsense down the years as well. You said "when it comes to anti-Semitism I/we know what you are" (or something very similar) I'm happy to take whatever shit is thrown at me on here about my views, but as someone who coaches a football team of predominantly Jewish 12 year old boys, who regularly goes to the local synagogue round the corner to help with a homeless charity in Manchester, and as someone who spent all day with my two boys not so long ago scrubbing graffiti off vandalised gravestones at the local Jewish cemetery believe me when I say it would be difficult to insult me more than by accusing me of being anti-Semitic. I'll leave it there enjoy your evening...... Thank you agreed, more to discuss in the future.
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Post by datguy on Jun 25, 2020 21:30:10 GMT
I like John McDonnell. He's a good politician. Unfortunately though, him posting a petition for RLB to be reinstated is exactly why she was dismissed.
It's nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with ridding the shadow frontbench of Corbynism.
And perhaps in the long run, ridding the shadow frontbench of Corbynism can only be a positive.
Like it or not, there is a large number of voters that would've voted Labour had it not been for Corbyn.
RLB praising an attack on the voters rather than acknowledging the poor leadership of the previous leader does not strike me as a party learning the lessons of the last election.
I voted Labour in December and I would do so now. Problem is, there's still a lot of people that are put off by Corbyn and his mates. Good on Starmer for putting his foot down.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2020 21:45:38 GMT
Anyone hazard a guess how many people on this thread who have, or who have friends, who have suffered real anti-Semitism? I'm buying unders! I'll go under, it seems they're all living in Greater Manchester these days anyway.
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