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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:24:39 GMT
If the police are unable to do it then get the military in there to sort them out. Has bringing the Military in to quell community tensions ever worked?!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 13:26:25 GMT
If the police are unable to do it then get the military in there to sort them out. Has bringing the Military in to quell community tensions ever worked?! Has calling people racist ever got anyone to change their mind?
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Post by starkiller on Jun 25, 2020 13:26:57 GMT
I admire your passion and loyalty to your political stance but just because people don’t agree with you it doesn’t make there arguement or perspective any less valid. Your response to any comment you don’t agree with is 1- aggressive argument 2- to call them racist You do realise my response was to the outlandish claim that this country was not only 'not right wing' but was 'infiltrated by Marxists' I know which is the most unhelpful and frankly mental post out of the two! It's not mental that elements of marxist ideology is a tool to cause division and social unrest.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 13:27:07 GMT
Not sure how anyone can ignore violence or vandalism. Especially violence against an organisation that is there to protect the public and enforce the rule of law...and against normal people, with families, just out there doing their jobs. It's a disgrace. I couldn't care less if it were BLM, Extinction Rebellion, Gilet Jeunes or any other protest group. It's not acceptable imo. Those committing these acts should be taken down by the authorities (using force if necessary) and made to pay all damages and get thrown in a cell. If the police are unable to do it then get the military in there to sort them out. There really is no justifying it is there……… get the water canons in I say. Enough is enough
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:27:11 GMT
Has bringing the Military in to quell community tensions ever worked?! Has calling people racist ever got anyone to change their mind? Not pointing it out where it clearly exists certainly hasn't.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 25, 2020 13:27:12 GMT
Good grief what has become of our nations capital?? I feel sorry for all decent people living in London of all colours and beliefs that have to live alongside these feral thugs. The country has got what it has reaped. Law enforcement that has been far more concerned with being PC and diverse than actually keeping law and order over the last decade. What we see here is the oh so predictable result. Dont start with these people are oppressed load of bollocks. They are just criminal gangs behaving as they want, fuck the police and then when they are gone attack each other over their postcode drug wars. Our establishment need to get a grip and come out strong now. No more pussy footing around incase they say or do something that might offend. There are a lot of decent people of all colours and background that are trying to do things to bring people together and equality for all. But the BLM movement has done more for racial division in this country than anything else in my lifetime. Excellent post. The police are policing with fear now because they’re petrified of being labelled even if they’re doing there job properly as happened with the young male who was paralysed after falling off the wall. Little appears to have been mentioned about his recent criminal past or the fact that he ran. As always the media have gone down the route of it all being down to the police. Sadly sometimes people get hurt they (Police) police with the consent of the public. It requires their cooperation if they dont cooperate then that leads to conflict and the level is determined by the suspect. Comply no force is used other than handcuffs, fight and the threat of harm rises. It's not complicated if your arrested fighting makes no difference it just adds to the subsequent charges. Many arrested people are released without charge however if you fight you've got one charge straight off so even if the original offence is not proved you will get resist, assault or a POA. If I was truly innocent I would just say so and go through the process and come out at the end innocent no harm done. There has to be some evidence for an arrest to be made its not made up shit everything is there to see. And yes mistakes happen innocent people get arrested and sometimes convicted but it's better than the alternative imho. It's a choice really....
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 13:28:16 GMT
You live in a right wing country with a right wing Government, who do behind doors deals with their mates to get a ÂŁ12K donation for their toxic ideology and their mates can avoid paying a fully justified ÂŁ40M levy into one of the most deprived areas in the Capital. Areas where a lot of these problems exist. Fucked up world isn't it. More deflection Mo. what has that got to do with a mob of savages attacking our Police force, these creatures are out and out common criminals. Sorry but youre wrong...theyre just 'misguided'
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 25, 2020 13:30:59 GMT
Has bringing the Military in to quell community tensions ever worked?! Has calling people racist ever got anyone to change their mind? I reckon Sheikh, Owen Jones and the like are secretly employed by the Tories to stop people from voting Labour.
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 13:31:09 GMT
Taking the knee has some 'bants' on it. Deserves a slot of its own I would say though. Seems like 'open season' to take pot shots at police officers in the current environment, no one dare breath. Guess one could have seen this coming. You just hope it's not a long hot summer, the country is split asunder across so many different lines, under a feckless and corrupt Government. Didn't the behavioural scientists tell us in March that one of the outcomes of lockdown would be civil disorder? Trust you to blame the Government. Was that Boris smashing the police car up. FFS
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:32:37 GMT
You do realise my response was to the outlandish claim that this country was not only 'not right wing' but was 'infiltrated by Marxists' I know which is the most unhelpful and frankly mental post out of the two! It's not mental that elements of marxist ideology is a tool to cause division and social unrest. I really do think you've got this one wrong sk. I always find your posts challenging and agreed with some of your observations on corona and the lockdown but all the evidence in my eyes has seen this country lurch to the right in the past generation, so much so that certain elements of the Thatcher period now look like a Socialist paradise to what we have now. It's only natural that the elastic may have stretched the other way in certain areas.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:34:48 GMT
You just hope it's not a long hot summer, the country is split asunder across so many different lines, under a feckless and corrupt Government. Didn't the behavioural scientists tell us in March that one of the outcomes of lockdown would be civil disorder? Trust you to blame the Government. Was that Boris smashing the police car up. FFS It was Johnson stealing ÂŁ40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 13:37:05 GMT
These Marxists are clever aren't they. And so much more powerful than any of us ever realised. For example, I can't even tell which ones are the Marxists in the Cabinet, nor which ones are in the Bilderberg lot you used to go on about so much, nor those in the Royal Family, nor which are heads of global corporations making shit loads of money like Amazon, Google, Facebook, Shell, BP, Big Pharma etc. There was me thinking the right was in control of most countries' governments in the world but it's really the Marxists who pull all the strings and the right wing politicians are just dupes. When you put it like that, it all make so much sense. I don't fly any political flags because I think left/right is false dichotomy of choice. And how it's manifested tends to be a blend. These labels are also just tools of divide and rule. Unless you want to discuss Nazi Germany as a Communist/Socialist project, as its name says, because of state control and ownership? Odd statement to make, considering Marxism is a political position. Just point me in the direction of the Marxists in control if you would....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2020 13:41:09 GMT
We don't live in a right wing country, or have a right wing government. Both are moderate. But we're infiltrated by marxists at all levels. So we're an institutionally Marxist country as opposed to an institutionally racist one? Wow you learn something every day..... Apparently so I'm looking forward to seeing who these Marxist infiltrators in Bluffer's government are. I reckon it's Cummings
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 25, 2020 13:44:50 GMT
When are they arriving? Not seen anyone apologise for sheer criminality yet..... 4 pages is all it took.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:45:09 GMT
So we're an institutionally Marxist country as opposed to an institutionally racist one? Wow you learn something every day..... Apparently so I'm looking forward to seeing who these Marxist infiltrators in Bluffer's government are. I reckon it's Cummings Certain elements of control "classic Dom" craves via his various legally dubious data initiatives and social media engineering, certainly suggest he has totalitarian tendencies to be fair! Then lets not get into his eugenics fascination!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 13:48:29 GMT
Leaving the stupid political agendas aside
That's like caveman behaviour. No excuse or blaming others for people acting like that
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 13:48:49 GMT
Trust you to blame the Government. Was that Boris smashing the police car up. FFS It was Johnson stealing £40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these. So not Boris on the police car. Just some criminal who wants catching arresting and locking up for a few years. Wouldn’t you agree
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Post by foster on Jun 25, 2020 13:50:10 GMT
These Marxists are clever aren't they. And so much more powerful than any of us ever realised. For example, I can't even tell which ones are the Marxists in the Cabinet, nor which ones are in the Bilderberg lot you used to go on about so much, nor those in the Royal Family, nor which are heads of global corporations making shit loads of money like Amazon, Google, Facebook, Shell, BP, Big Pharma etc. There was me thinking the right was in control of most countries' governments in the world but it's really the Marxists who pull all the strings and the right wing politicians are just dupes. When you put it like that, it all make so much sense. Just replace the name Marxists for Jews...
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 13:51:04 GMT
Trust you to blame the Government. Was that Boris smashing the police car up. FFS It was Johnson stealing ÂŁ40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these. It was out and out pure vandalism and disorder, culminating in injuries to police. Of which the parents and the people themselves will ultimately pay for through higher council tax charges..... and then they go whinging the the rates go up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
It was Johnson stealing £40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these. So not Boris on the police car. Just some criminal who wants catching arresting and locking up for a few years. Wouldn’t you agree I've already said anyone involved should be prosecuted. Apology accepted.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 25, 2020 13:53:08 GMT
It was Johnson stealing ÂŁ40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these. It was out and out pure vandalism and disorder, culminating in injuries to police. Of which the parents and the people themselves will ultimately pay for through higher council tax charges..... and then they go whinging the the rates go up. Exactly the smashed Police car will be replaced by their taxes its nuts.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 25, 2020 13:54:47 GMT
It was Johnson stealing ÂŁ40M for infrastructure from a neighbouring Borough which could have addressed some of the inequalities that spark incidents like these. It was out and out pure vandalism and disorder, culminating in injuries to police. Of which the parents and the people themselves will ultimately pay for through higher council tax charges..... and then they go whinging the the rates go up. Indeed. I'm sure the Twatterati will find a way to defend these anarchist losers.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 13:57:11 GMT
It was out and out pure vandalism and disorder, culminating in injuries to police. Of which the parents and the people themselves will ultimately pay for through higher council tax charges..... and then they go whinging the the rates go up. Indeed. I'm sure the (Oatcake ) Twatterati will find a way to defend these anarchist losers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 14:03:55 GMT
Indeed. I'm sure the (Oatcake ) Twatterati will find a way to defend these anarchist losers. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist about something that hasn't happened.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 14:10:29 GMT
Why are you getting your knickers in a twist about something that hasn't happened. Have you got too much sand in yer fanny again ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 14:14:07 GMT
Why are you getting your knickers in a twist about something that hasn't happened. Have you got too much sand in yer fanny again ? Literally no one has defended the criminality. Is it that fact that's enraged right wing club so much?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 14:17:21 GMT
I don't think it is either, I was making the point that we've gone from debating whether there is institutional racism over the last few days, to the revelation that we're actually institutionally Marxist. I like your out of the box thinking and not kowtowing to the MSM view of the world, but alas I think that's taking it one step too far...... I'm not necessarily saying we are institutionally marxist. But certainly marxist elements are used as tools of control by the elites. And are you not concerned that BLM is funded by white elite billionaires? Don't you get a sense that you are being played somewhat? I don't feel that I'm being played at all, I've stated my scepticism around the BLM movement from the start, and I've highlighted many so-called racial issue that I believe are class issues. That's not to say that there isn't an element of our society that are either racist, ignorant or both. And people should be able to protest how they see fit within the confines of the law......
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 14:20:40 GMT
Have you got too much sand in yer fanny again ? Literally no one has defended the criminality. Is it that fact that's enraged right wing club so much? Here we go again…….
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 14:25:50 GMT
Literally no one has defended the criminality. Is it that fact that's enraged right wing club so much? Here we go again……. Well you're clearly looking for an argument by saying people have defended the criminality when they simply haven't. It's exactly the same technique as Johnson marauding around the place the other week saying 'we must Save Churchill's statue' when no one was seriously suggesting it should be removed. It's a phoney war. To what end we can only speculate.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 14:33:00 GMT
Here we go again……. Well you're clearly looking for an argument by saying people have defended the criminality when they simply haven't. It's exactly the same technique as Johnson marauding around the place the other week saying 'we must Save Churchill's statue' when no one was seriously suggesting it should be removed. It's a phoney war. To what end we can only speculate. Im not looking for an argument at all sheik...quite the opposite in fact. Ive read a number of posts on here from yourself, with constant snipes and jibes over Johnson and 'right wing' etc etc.....its just tedious beyond belief. Im more than happy to discuss it with yourself or anyone else on here but when you post antagonising comments, then people will give it back. Youve made your standpoint clear about your love for Boris Johnson - weve read it a hundred times. Ive got my standpoint and youve got yours…….shall we just leave it at that? Lifes too short hey.....
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