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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 2, 2020 22:23:09 GMT
Well except that the Police couldn't be arsed to even go the place they were last seen and the family were forced to find the murder scene because they were so frustrated that the Police were doing fuck all. Spot on....except that. To go down the route that Kate Williams has is ridiculous and very unfair and without anything factual to back up her statement. All murders are dreadful Whatever the victim or offenders colour and to Politicise the life of the 2 victims is very wrong. I dread to think what the reaction would have been if the suspect was white. Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 2, 2020 22:30:54 GMT
To go down the route that Kate Williams has is ridiculous and very unfair and without anything factual to back up her statement. All murders are dreadful Whatever the victim or offenders colour and to Politicise the life of the 2 victims is very wrong. I dread to think what the reaction would have been if the suspect was white. Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! Excuse me for asking but what are you saying?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 2, 2020 22:52:44 GMT
Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! Excuse me for asking but what are you saying? Mere observations of whatâs at play here.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 2, 2020 23:15:10 GMT
Excuse me for asking but what are you saying? Mere observations of whatâs at play here. Very cryptic. Your beginning to sound like Cantona
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 2, 2020 23:29:04 GMT
Mere observations of whatâs at play here. Very cryptic. Your beginning to sound like Cantona Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2020 0:00:58 GMT
To go down the route that Kate Williams has is ridiculous and very unfair and without anything factual to back up her statement. All murders are dreadful Whatever the victim or offenders colour and to Politicise the life of the 2 victims is very wrong. I dread to think what the reaction would have been if the suspect was white. Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! Most threads seem to go down the pan because of your incessant bile and accusations at anyone who dares to put forward an alternative viewpoint. I'm guessing that's why so many threads have been pulled. And this appears to be a microcosm of the country in general (although it finally looks as though the scales are starting to fall away from the eyes of a few- even the BBC have finally taken the 'red pill' regarding MLM (sic) UK). Did you look at the Don't Divide Us link someone posted on another thread recently? Do you think they raise some interesting points for consideration, or are they 'right wing Nazi loons' (which seems to be your stock outburst at anything you're at odds with)?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 0:08:34 GMT
Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! Most threads seem to go down the pan because of your incessant bile and accusations at anyone who dares to put forward an alternative viewpoint. I'm guessing that's why so many threads have been pulled. And this appears to be a microcosm of the country in general (although it finally looks as though the scales are starting to fall away from the eyes of a few- even the BBC have finally taken the 'red pill' regarding MLM (sic) UK). Did you look at the Don't Divide Us link someone posted on another thread recently? Do you think they raise some interesting points for consideration, or are they 'right wing Nazi loons' (which seems to be your stock outburst at anything you're at odds with)? Not sure what you're on about to be honest, I'm just referring to the real narrative of the 'knee' thread. A bunch of white people diminishing how black people feel whilst simultaneously intimating they should 'suck it up'. There see, we could have saved 50 pages of dubious bollocks couldn't we.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 3, 2020 6:44:20 GMT
To be fair to charge someone for a "stranger" murder in that time frame is cracking work. Perhaps this could be a new approach for all missing persons. Get the family to prove they're dead before you start working on the case! It wasnt a report of a murder was it!!! from the family it was a missing person report and taken as that at first. I've already pointed out that there are three risk levels for these reports, children, vulnerable elderly and those who have MH issues or suicidal thought are prioritised but low risk are still worked on despite what you're saying. You're using that to say they didnt care about a murder because the victims were BAME. 100% completely wrong on the initial missing person report and 100% wrong on the murder. Now I dont expect you to see my point let alone agree and concede you're wrong so I'll resume normal service.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 7:43:23 GMT
Perhaps this could be a new approach for all missing persons. Get the family to prove they're dead before you start working on the case! It wasnt a report of a murder was it!!! from the family it was a missing person report and taken as that at first. I've already pointed out that there are three risk levels for these reports, children, vulnerable elderly and those who have MH issues or suicidal thought are prioritised but low risk are still worked on despite what you're saying. You're using that to say they didnt care about a murder because the victims were BAME. 100% completely wrong on the initial missing person report and 100% wrong on the murder. Now I dont expect you to see my point let alone agree and concede you're wrong so I'll resume normal service. Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?' Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2020 7:46:29 GMT
Most threads seem to go down the pan because of your incessant bile and accusations at anyone who dares to put forward an alternative viewpoint. I'm guessing that's why so many threads have been pulled. And this appears to be a microcosm of the country in general (although it finally looks as though the scales are starting to fall away from the eyes of a few- even the BBC have finally taken the 'red pill' regarding MLM (sic) UK). Did you look at the Don't Divide Us link someone posted on another thread recently? Do you think they raise some interesting points for consideration, or are they 'right wing Nazi loons' (which seems to be your stock outburst at anything you're at odds with)? Not sure what you're on about to be honest, I'm just referring to the real narrative of the 'knee' thread. A bunch of white people diminishing how black people feel whilst simultaneously intimating they should 'suck it up'. There see, we could have saved 50 pages of dubious bollocks couldn't we. The biggest issue is that you put words into peopleâs mouths, Misinterpret and misquote them to fit your own agenda. When you talk about telling black people how they feel how is that any different to Professor Williams saying this is what white people would do if the victim was white? Telling us how white people feel when 2 innocent black people are murdered.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2020 7:50:04 GMT
It wasnt a report of a murder was it!!! from the family it was a missing person report and taken as that at first. I've already pointed out that there are three risk levels for these reports, children, vulnerable elderly and those who have MH issues or suicidal thought are prioritised but low risk are still worked on despite what you're saying. You're using that to say they didnt care about a murder because the victims were BAME. 100% completely wrong on the initial missing person report and 100% wrong on the murder. Now I dont expect you to see my point let alone agree and concede you're wrong so I'll resume normal service. Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?'Â Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again. Do you know the investigation inside out then or are you basing it on one persons perspective when the other party (the police) havenât given there perspective. Isnât the sign of fairness to listen to both sides then come up with a decision. Sounds like youâve made your mind up already.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 7:54:52 GMT
Not sure what you're on about to be honest, I'm just referring to the real narrative of the 'knee' thread. A bunch of white people diminishing how black people feel whilst simultaneously intimating they should 'suck it up'. There see, we could have saved 50 pages of dubious bollocks couldn't we. The biggest issue is that you put words into peopleâs mouths, Misinterpret and misquote them to fit your own agenda. When you talk about telling black people how they feel how is that any different to Professor Williams saying this is what white people would do if the victim was white? Telling us how white people feel when 2 innocent black people are murdered. The 'yeah but what about......' cess pit of the knee thread (and others) stands as a reference point of what's truly at work on this board....and it's deeply unpleasant.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2020 8:30:43 GMT
The biggest issue is that you put words into peopleâs mouths, Misinterpret and misquote them to fit your own agenda. When you talk about telling black people how they feel how is that any different to Professor Williams saying this is what white people would do if the victim was white? Telling us how white people feel when 2 innocent black people are murdered. The 'yeah but what about......' cess pit of the knee thread (and others) stands as a reference point of what's truly at work on this board....and it's deeply unpleasant. You bang on about whataboutery but then retweet someone indulging in it themselves....
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Post by noustie on Jul 3, 2020 8:43:07 GMT
To go down the route that Kate Williams has is ridiculous and very unfair and without anything factual to back up her statement. All murders are dreadful Whatever the victim or offenders colour and to Politicise the life of the 2 victims is very wrong. I dread to think what the reaction would have been if the suspect was white. Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! "Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived." Okay so the press are giving him a hard time today but he'll no doubt be on QT by the end of the year or presenting some history programme within 12 months. Imagine if he had used that rationale with the Holocaust given 65% of the world's Jewish population survived - he would rightly never work again.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 3, 2020 9:13:14 GMT
Oh I get the train of thought. Just like the 'take the knee thread' has gone down the pan, heading the same way as the culture thread. Every example, every stat, every heartfelt experience that black people might not have equal opportunities or a level playing field, dismissed, qualified, nullified, marginalised, their experiences trivialised until all you have left is a bunch of white people telling each other they don't know what black people are moaning about. Just take the odious and racist Starkey talking to the even more despicable Darren Grimes. He'll be on mainstream TV spouting his vile shit in a week. Those damn blacks! "Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived." Okay so the press are giving him a hard time today but he'll no doubt be on QT by the end of the year or presenting some history programme within 12 months. Imagine if he had used that rationale with the Holocaust given 65% of the world's Jewish population survived - he would rightly never work again. Starkey fucked up really badly. His âdamn blacksâ line is deplorable. His assertion that slavery is not the same as the Holocaust less so. Iâve seen arguments for and against that and understand each argument which seems to me one of semantics. Neither side Of that denies the appalling atrocities and inhuman injustices involved on both sides. Theyâre opposed on language used to describe it. I think his mainstream media career is now over.
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2020 9:23:09 GMT
The biggest issue is that you put words into peopleâs mouths, Misinterpret and misquote them to fit your own agenda. When you talk about telling black people how they feel how is that any different to Professor Williams saying this is what white people would do if the victim was white? Telling us how white people feel when 2 innocent black people are murdered. The 'yeah but what about......' cess pit of the knee thread (and others) stands as a reference point of what's truly at work on this board....and it's deeply unpleasant. That's actually one of the better threads on here because it hasn't resorted to...well.... this.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 3, 2020 9:30:26 GMT
"Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived." Okay so the press are giving him a hard time today but he'll no doubt be on QT by the end of the year or presenting some history programme within 12 months. Imagine if he had used that rationale with the Holocaust given 65% of the world's Jewish population survived - he would rightly never work again. Starkey fucked up really badly. His âdamn blacksâ line is deplorable. His assertion that slavery is not the same as the Holocaust less so. Iâve seen arguments for and against that and understand each argument which seems to me one of semantics. Neither side Of that denies the appalling atrocities and inhuman injustices involved on both sides. Theyâre opposed on language used to describe it. I think his mainstream media career is now over. You would hope so.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 9:32:02 GMT
The 'yeah but what about......' cess pit of the knee thread (and others) stands as a reference point of what's truly at work on this board....and it's deeply unpleasant. That's actually one of the better threads on here because it hasn't resorted to...well.... this. Yeah well its a load of white people patting each other on the back telling black people how to feel. Not much dissension!
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 3, 2020 9:40:22 GMT
The 'yeah but what about......' cess pit of the knee thread (and others) stands as a reference point of what's truly at work on this board....and it's deeply unpleasant. That's actually one of the better threads on here because it hasn't resorted to...well.... this. Interestingly he deploys the same argument techniques as Holocaust Deniers - deflection, distortion and misappropriation. I say this having read this excellent book, Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory which I thoroughly recommend.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 9:46:10 GMT
That's actually one of the better threads on here because it hasn't resorted to...well.... this. Interestingly he deploys the same argument techniques as Holocaust Deniers - deflection, distortion and misappropriation. I say this having read this excellent book, Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory which I thoroughly recommend. Another 'backslapper'.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 3, 2020 10:04:29 GMT
Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?' Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again. Do you know the investigation inside out then or are you basing it on one persons perspective when the other party (the police) havenât given there perspective. Isnât the sign of fairness to listen to both sides then come up with a decision. Sounds like youâve made your mind up already. Fairness and Chairman Mo not a chance, apparently this murder was not even investigated because the victims were black, we now have a suspect been charged with murder and he is from the BAME community yet he does not recognise there is a massive issue with black on black crime in this country, it's pathetic I see he has toned down the personal abuse somewhat though since he consistently broke the message board rules
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 3, 2020 10:08:39 GMT
It wasnt a report of a murder was it!!! from the family it was a missing person report and taken as that at first. I've already pointed out that there are three risk levels for these reports, children, vulnerable elderly and those who have MH issues or suicidal thought are prioritised but low risk are still worked on despite what you're saying. You're using that to say they didnt care about a murder because the victims were BAME. 100% completely wrong on the initial missing person report and 100% wrong on the murder. Now I dont expect you to see my point let alone agree and concede you're wrong so I'll resume normal service. Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?'Â Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again. Just out of interest were they or one of them vulnerable
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 3, 2020 10:15:39 GMT
Starkey fucked up really badly. His âdamn blacksâ line is deplorable. His assertion that slavery is not the same as the Holocaust less so. Iâve seen arguments for and against that and understand each argument which seems to me one of semantics. Neither side Of that denies the appalling atrocities and inhuman injustices involved on both sides. Theyâre opposed on language used to describe it. I think his mainstream media career is now over. You would hope so. He'll be back on the BBC in a few months time as he ticks a few boxes They need the odd apparent right wing educated loon So as to escape the charge of biases And the fact he's a homosexual ticks a extra box
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 3, 2020 10:47:53 GMT
Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?'Â Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again. Do you know the investigation inside out then or are you basing it on one persons perspective when the other party (the police) havenât given there perspective. Isnât the sign of fairness to listen to both sides then come up with a decision. Sounds like youâve made your mind up already. He knows nothing about it but what he's heard and made up himself. He knows nothing about how a missing person is risk assessed or what it takes to look for one or what and how they are documented. Assumption, accusations and that's your lot.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 10:55:24 GMT
Do you know the investigation inside out then or are you basing it on one persons perspective when the other party (the police) havenât given there perspective. Isnât the sign of fairness to listen to both sides then come up with a decision. Sounds like youâve made your mind up already. He knows nothing about it but what he's heard and made up himself. He knows nothing about how a missing person is risk assessed or what it takes to look for one or what and how they are documented. Assumption, accusations and that's your lot. I evidently know far more than 'coppers can do no wrong', Franklin does and that's before those bastards desecrated the murder scene. Keep calling that poor bereaved black Mother a liar, like your good friend, crapslinger. High fives and back slaps all round.
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Post by noustie on Jul 3, 2020 11:08:19 GMT
"Slavery was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or Britain would there? An awful lot of them survived." Okay so the press are giving him a hard time today but he'll no doubt be on QT by the end of the year or presenting some history programme within 12 months. Imagine if he had used that rationale with the Holocaust given 65% of the world's Jewish population survived - he would rightly never work again. Starkey fucked up really badly. His âdamn blacksâ line is deplorable. His assertion that slavery is not the same as the Holocaust less so. Iâve seen arguments for and against that and understand each argument which seems to me one of semantics. Neither side Of that denies the appalling atrocities and inhuman injustices involved on both sides. Theyâre opposed on language used to describe it. I think his mainstream media career is now over. For me the âdamned blacksâ bit is second to the suggestion it canât be a genocide because it wasnât very successful. Personally I donât think it was a genocide in its strictest sense but did generate genocidal levels of death and suffering over centuries. Just thought it was interesting that at the moment in which we are at and he has quite flagrantly racist his punishment at the moment seems a little tokenistic. If heâd used the same language around the Holocaust thereâd probably be police involved. I think itâll be a test of where we are and if things have changed any but think heâll be back before the year is out â heâs been accused of racism umpteen times and its never really had much impact on him before. In the current polarised worldview I probably should be offended too that he wasnât so vilified when he spoke some mad shit about Scotland in the lead up to the referendum - #AllHistoryMatters.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 3, 2020 11:35:27 GMT
He knows nothing about it but what he's heard and made up himself. He knows nothing about how a missing person is risk assessed or what it takes to look for one or what and how they are documented. Assumption, accusations and that's your lot. 'coppers can do no wrong', Franklin Do you ever stop lying and making stuff up.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 3, 2020 11:35:48 GMT
Never said it was a report of murder it was a missing persons report filed under 'who gives a fuck' based on who they were and who they came from. I'd also love to see what it is you mean by 'worked on' seeing as the murder weapon was found in the spot they were last seen and the murder scene close by family and friends 48 hours later. Maybe they missed it or maybe no fucker could be arse to go there in the first place. We all know this is was the Police reaction when the missing persons report came in. 'Black you say, rough council estate you say?' Let me just type this up on my invisible typewriter'. Poor old Nina Smallman called a liar by you and your mate crapslinger again. Just out of interest were they or one of them vulnerable Indeed it would, I wonder if those under age white girls targeted all over the country by Muslim paedophile gangs were classed as vulnerable ? tbf to the Police they acted fairly quickly in bringing this scum bag bastard to court when you consider the majority of the cases involving the Muslim paedophile gangs took years to come to court despite shed loads of evidence against them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 3, 2020 11:40:03 GMT
'coppers can do no wrong', Franklin Do you ever stop lying and making stuff up. Do you ever stop defending the indefensible?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 3, 2020 11:46:23 GMT
Do you ever stop lying and making stuff up. Do you ever stop defending the indefensible? So once again no justification for your comment you're an habitual liar ruining a reasonable thread.
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